anandtecher's i desperately need your collective help!!

[ed21x]

here

sfgate is san francisco's premier center of dumbass liberalism.... they claim that the most people agree with the court decision against the pledge of allegiance- so i need you guys to go to their site and select option(2) from their poll and prove them wrong.

 

[Nemesis77]

Well, what if I agree with the courts decision ?

 

[ed21x]

but then that'd take away the fun of having a news site being proved wrong by their own poll =P

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

And another 'Yes' vote

 

[DaveSimmons]

Sorry, but I can pledge allegiance just fine without saying "under god." Christian indoctrination does not belong in the classroom, it belongs in churches and the homes of Christians.

Don't you respect the separation of Church and State as the founding fathers intended? Or do you want to cram your personal beliefs down everyone's throat?

 

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Sorry, but I can pledge allegiance just fine without saying "under god." Christian indoctrination does not belong in the classroom, it belongs in churches and the homes of Christians.

Don't you respect the separation of Church and State as the founding fathers intended? Or do you want to cram your personal beliefs down everyone's throat?

Shhh, his right to force his beliefs upon everyone else are being infringed.

 

[joohang]

Originally posted by: OmegaNauce

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Sorry, but I can pledge allegiance just fine without saying "under god." Christian indoctrination does not belong in the classroom, it belongs in churches and the homes of Christians.

Don't you respect the separation of Church and State as the founding fathers intended? Or do you want to cram your personal beliefs down everyone's throat?

Shhh, his right to force his beliefs upon everyone else are being infringed.

haha

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: ed21x
here

sfgate is san francisco's premier center of dumbass liberalism.... they claim that the most people agree with the court decision against the pledge of allegiance- so i need you guys to go to their site and select option(2) from their poll and prove them wrong.

So you remove the link???

Well, folks, here it is again... Link

And by the way, I'm far from a "dumbass liberal" (I'm libertarian) and I agree with the decision.

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: ed21x
here

sfgate is san francisco's premier center of dumbass liberalism.... they claim that the most people agree with the court decision against the pledge of allegiance- so i need you guys to go to their site and select option(2) from their poll and prove them wrong.

what a tool you removed the link!

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: AmusedOne

Originally posted by: ed21x
here

sfgate is san francisco's premier center of dumbass liberalism.... they claim that the most people agree with the court decision against the pledge of allegiance- so i need you guys to go to their site and select option(2) from their poll and prove them wrong.

So you remove the link???

Well, folks, here it is again... Link

And by the way, I'm far from a "dumbass liberal" (I'm libertarian) and I agree with the decision.

Guess he didn't want people to vote anything but what he wanted them to.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Oh no, not another divisive cultural issue

nik (voted)

 

[Muadib]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
And another 'Yes' vote

 

[rgwalt]

People are really getting their panties in a knot over this issue.

Ryan

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: rgwalt
People are really getting their panties in a knot over this issue. Ryan

Kinda hard when you're goin' commando. :Q

nik

 

[tcsenter]

I would guess in San Francisco that would be accurate. Two different news stations in the Sacramento and Stockton area sent a reporter out in the public to guage public opinion and they could find nobody who agreed with the decision; black, white, hispanic, asian, no one.

 

[GiGoLo]

i don't see why this is causing such an uproar. with the exception of maybe daoism and buddhism, most religions believe there is a God... maybe not the same God, but a God nonetheless. the pledge of allegience never specifies "under the Christian God" so what's the big deal

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: GiGoLo
i don't see why this is causing such an uproar. with the exception of maybe daoism and buddhism, most religions believe there is a God... maybe not the same God, but a God nonetheless. the pledge of allegience never specifies "under the Christian God" so what's the big deal

What about atheists? Agnostics? Satanists? Satan-worshippers? Hindu? Pagans? Weren't the founding fathers atheists?

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: GiGoLo
i don't see why this is causing such an uproar. with the exception of maybe daoism and buddhism, most religions believe there is a God... maybe not the same God, but a God nonetheless. the pledge of allegience never specifies "under the Christian God" so what's the big deal

What about atheists? Agnostics? Satanists? Satan-worshippers? Hindu? Pagans? Weren't the founding fathers atheists?

But the religious nuts don't agree with those! They want everyone to follow their misguided illusions!

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: GiGoLo
i don't see why this is causing such an uproar. with the exception of maybe daoism and buddhism, most religions believe there is a God... maybe not the same God, but a God nonetheless. the pledge of allegience never specifies "under the Christian God" so what's the big deal

What about atheists? Agnostics? Satanists? Satan-worshippers? Hindu? Pagans? Weren't the founding fathers atheists?

But the religious nuts don't agree with those! They want everyone to follow their misguided illusions!

Yep. I guess it's OK to step on other people's rights as long as no-one steps on YOUR rights!

 

[krystalogik]

Weren't the founding fathers atheists?

i believe they were predominantly deists.
deism
edit:clarification

 

[krystalogik]

anyone else think its funny that its now 58% "keep "under god" out of classrooms?

woohoo! another poll!

worldnetdaily

 

[tcsenter]

What about atheists? Agnostics? Satanists? Satan-worshippers? Hindu? Pagans? Weren't the founding fathers atheists?

Oh brother, hardly were they atheists. Mainly, they were disenchanted with interpretations of the Bible professed by "organized" religions in their day, and as evidenced in commentary by Thomas Jefferson, they found flaws in the Bible that "organized" religion ignored, but they did not conclude that these flaws were "proof" there was no God. Atheists they weren't.

i believe they were predominantly deists.

hehe, well that would be a fair statement, but for a more credible description and history of deism, you may want to avoid the crackpots at www.deism.com. In order to understand deism as it was practiced and known in the founding era, you'll have to consult a few different sources, because no one source seems to really hit the nail on the head. Especially not www.deism.com

Deism - Catholic Encyclopedia

European Enlightenment Glossary

History of Christian Deism

Deist v. Christian Deist

Religioustolerance.org - Deism

 

[Moonbeam]

Well I just voted with my not so intelligently tushed Libertarian friends.

 

[ed21x]

oh trust me, i'm all for separation of church and state, but in this case, i feel that the tradition associated with saying the pledge in it's entirety is more important... and besides, i have yet to meet anyone who felt forced into a religion by saying those words.

 

[Entity]

Another "yes" vote here.

Rob