Anandtech's AMD Fury X review

[Stuka87]

The AMD setup will be quiter anyway, in all thoses reviews are missing the neessary db that come from fan extractors wich open air design a la Nvidia need anyway, just to get rid of the hot air due to a SLI set up will cover the cards own noises, or else there will be huge throttlings..

On the other end a Fury cooling system need nothing more than itself to do the job done correctly..


Edit :

So where is this AT review..???..

I also noticed that the AMD sponsorship has been removed from the front page...

The AMD sponsorship was for a limited period of time, and it ran out a LONG time ago.

Ryan is working on the review, he is hoping to have it up soon. As has been stated in this thread many times by both himself and others.

 

[Keysplayr]

You are basing your aggravation on a very small sample size and there is so far a lack of complaints from owners that would indicate it is a widespread problem. I'd be interested to know if PCPer tried multiple power supplies to exclude an issue with power delivery, since pumps are more sensitive to changes in their operating voltage than fans.

I think it is more than a small sample size. As for the lack of complaints, you are more likely to hear them from a reviewer than a person who just laid out 650.00 and defensive of the purchase.

You're missing the point Vesku.

 

[Abwx]

fan...extractors?

Dont know, exctracting fans if you prefer, the point still hold though, the watts send in the case must be evacuated, and this cant be made silently...

The AMD sponsorship was for a limited period of time, and it ran out a LONG time ago.

Ryan is working on the review, he is hoping to have it up soon. As has been stated in this thread many times by both himself and others.

Well, given the delay then it must be an in depth analysis, at least i hope so...

 

[Vesku]

I think it is more than a small sample size. As for the lack of complaints, you are more likely to hear them from a reviewer than a person who just laid out 650.00 and defensive of the purchase.

You're missing the point Vesku.

3 out of thousands IS a small sample size. It was owners commenting online that showed GTX 970 had higher than expected number of units with excessive coil whine. Sample size is a pretty big deal when determining the scale of a hardware problem. I don't think defense of purchase would keep many owners from posting if their ears were being assaulted by their GPU.

 

[Lalilulelo]

Hope they have THE FURY , on the 14th.

 

[RampantAndroid]

3 out of thousands IS a small sample size. It was owners commenting online that showed GTX 970 had higher than expected number of units with excessive coil whine. It didn't make the vast majority of owners hate the product in general or feel ripped off. I don't think defense of purchase would keep many owners from posting if their ears were being assaulted by their GPU.

It's more than 3...a number of users have commented on it that I've seen, as have a number of reviewers.

 

[Vesku]

It's more than 3...a number of users have commented on it that I've seen, as have a number of reviewers.

Was referring to PCPer's article. I probably should have said 2 since that's the number of retail units they examined. As for actual owners, my count is under 10 from Anandtech, Overclock.net and Overclockers.co.uk

 

[Sabrewings]

Well, given the delay then it must be an in depth analysis, at least i hope so...

He's been sick for several days. Though, I can see one of two things to me. He's either incredibly sick to not be able to pump out a review for over a week, or there's something else up. I've had times I've been pushing around power carts and swapping avionics boxes between trips to the bathroom to piss out my ass so a bomber can go drop concrete filled bombs on an imaginary target. I think pumping out a review could happen by now.

If it really is that he's been sick, and it's really that bad, take nothing I said to heart. I really hope you get better, Ryan. Your GPU reviews are easily my favorites on the whole of the current internet.

 

[n0x1ous]

I really hope you get better, Ryan. Your GPU reviews are easily my favorites on the whole of the current internet.

Agreed

 

[Keysplayr]

3 out of thousands IS a small sample size. It was owners commenting online that showed GTX 970 had higher than expected number of units with excessive coil whine. Sample size is a pretty big deal when determining the scale of a hardware problem. I don't think defense of purchase would keep many owners from posting if their ears were being assaulted by their GPU.

PCper by themselves had 3. One press sample and two retail samples. They also linked to two other sites where those reviewers said the same thing.
Many many many GPUs have coil whine generations over.
FuryX was hyped to be silently water cooled and it was expected to be just that. It's more than 3 dude.

 

[Abwx]

Look that PCper didnt need press samples after all since they have apparently the money (or an uninterested sponsor...) to get retail samples...

Other than that it should be no suprise that this non issue is exploited to death by the usual suspects wich, is it a surprise, never buy AMD gear but are content to flood AMD related threads with whatever fud they can find here and there..

Hardware.fr noticed during his Fury X test that the Gforce where throttling even in open air, yet i didnt see any AMD fans flooding the Nvidia threads to point what is a fact as an excuse to bash this brand while here we are litteraly submerged by urban legends and the usual never ending bs.

 

[Mondozei]

Sweclockers has an article up on people - as in actual buyers - noticing significant noise/whine from the pumps so the AMD spin about this just being reviewing samples is just that.

In a way the entire affair is depressive. AMD still seem to be unable to make a decent reference design after getting massive pushback post-Hawaii.

I take no pleasure in seeing them flail around like this. A monolithic Nvidia means higher prices for everyone. AMD is often more consumer friendly and certainly has a lot less obnoxious/blowhard CEO, but in the end you buy the best product and AMD hasn't produced a single GPU(s) win since the 295X2 vs TitanZ which was a niche battle anyway.

At this stage I just hope Samsung or whoever just buys them and pumps in cash and splits the company and focuses on the GPU business. AMD with a GPU-only focus will do a lot better than having to spend a lot of effort on CPUs as well. Nvidia has itself stated that part of its success comes from relentlessly focusing on doing one single thing but doing it great; visual computing. AMD doesn't have that focus now but should have it.

 

[krumme]

The entire idea that vrms should be cool like 80c is religious or a misunderstanding.

Its and vrm. IT REGULATES VOLTAGE. Its not an icecream or a capacitor that degrades over time when subjected to 110 c.
Please stop. Its like saying a a formel 1 cars should stay under 100km/t because its safer - just worse

 

[Keysplayr]

Look that PCper didnt need press samples after all since they have apparently the money (or an uninterested sponsor...) to get retail samples...

Other than that it should be no suprise that this non issue is exploited to death by the usual suspects wich, is it a surprise, never buy AMD gear but are content to flood AMD related threads with whatever fud they can find here and there..

Hardware.fr noticed during his Fury X test that the Gforce where throttling even in open air, yet i didnt see any AMD fans flooding the Nvidia threads to point what is a fact as an excuse to bash this brand while here we are litteraly submerged by urban legends and the usual never ending bs.

Welp. The more you downplay things, the more it aggravates and in retorting, looks like I'm blowing it out of proportion, which is probably your intent.
So, I'll leave you to yourself then and just focus on other participants comments.

 

[Abwx]

Welp. The more you downplay things, the more it aggravates and in retorting, looks like I'm blowing it out of proportion, which is probably your intent.
So, I'll leave you to yourself then and just focus on other participants comments.

I downplay nothing, those guys are not honnest, their recording is fishy and not uniform in the conditions, who would have guessed...



Skewclockers are quoting PCper as source, i got there to chek the so called WAV files..

At 11s and 15s we hear a clik from a button that is actionned on the Zoom recorder, at 22s we hear the same clik but with very low amplitude, this say that the recordings where not made in the same gain conditions at all...

And before someone say that i m cluless or use bad gear i have a pair of studio monitors of decent quality and i have some experience in sound reproduction, if PCper were honnest they would have made a video recording as well...


http://vintageking.com/quested-h108-passive

They better buy a pair.....

 

[Abwx]

The entire idea that vrms should be cool like 80c is religious or a misunderstanding.

Its and vrm. IT REGULATES VOLTAGE. Its not an icecream or a capacitor that degrades over time when subjected to 110 c.
Please stop. Its like saying a a formel 1 cars should stay under 100km/t because its safer - just worse

That s very instructive, even Hardware.fr reviewer pointed that it was high, yet he measured an Nvidia card at 126°C and didnt point that it was exessive and that the card should be....discarded..

If anything that s a very good opportunity for AMD to tighten some screws rather than keep being effectively screwed by such reviewers...

 

[RampantAndroid]

I downplay nothing, those guys are not honnest, their recording is fishy and not uniform in the conditions, who would have guessed...



Skewclockers are quoting PCper as source, i got there to chek the so called WAV files..

At 11s and 15s we hear a clik from a button that is actionned on the Zoom recorder, at 22s we hear the same clik but with very low amplitude, this say that the recordings where not made in the same gain conditions at all...

And before someone say that i m cluless or use bad gear i have a pair of studio monitors of decent quality and i have some experience in sound reproduction, if PCper were honnest they would have made a video recording as well...


http://vintageking.com/quested-h108-passive

They better buy a pair.....

....I think you're really looking for something where there is nothing. That sound to me is distinctive, since I sit on TS with friends at times. It's a mouse button. I also suspect that this is just a microphone and not a video recorder (were I to make this, I have a reference/calibrated microphone that I can use to test speakers out...it's not tied to a video recorder at all.)

Enough people are reporting problems with the noise (and there are enough recordings between PCPer's and youtube reviews to make me believe it's a real problem.)

 

[Abwx]

....I think you're really looking for something where there is nothing. That sound to me is distinctive, since I sit on TS with friends at times. It's a mouse button.

The Zoom use exactly the same switches as mouses or synthesizers, you should dismount some gear from time to time, heck i used some cannibalized ones in an photocopier part (new!!) to replace the faulty ones in one of my synhtesizers, but hey, congratulations, you have guessed that they were mounted in a mouse, you could as well tell us the brand...

So much about looking for something that do not exist, amazing what lack of knowledge of electronic parts can yield, a TV amateur would had said that it was a video recorder that was actionned, one think only within what he knows as you proved it in your post...

 

[RampantAndroid]

The Zoom use exactly the same switches as mouses or synthesizers, you should dismount some gear from time to time, heck i used some cannibalized ones in an photocopier part (new!!) to replace the faulty ones in one of my synhtesizers, but hey, congratulations, you have guessed that they were mounted in a mouse, you could as well tell us the brand...

The click you hear is mid recording. The gain does not change mid recording.

You're looking for a conspiracy where there is none. The original units seem to have shipped with bad pumps. It's bad QC and should never have happened.

But I think I'm with Keysplayr on this...

 

[Keysplayr]

The click you hear is mid recording. The gain does not change mid recording.

You're looking for a conspiracy where there is none. The original units seem to have shipped with bad pumps. It's bad QC and should never have happened.

Dude. There is nothing you can say.... Don't get drawn in any further.

 

[iiiankiii]

The click you hear is mid recording. The gain does not change mid recording.

You're looking for a conspiracy where there is none. The original units seem to have shipped with bad pumps. It's bad QC and should never have happened.

But I think I'm with Keysplayr on this...

I understand that it sucks from time to time. Defective units happen. Coil whines, faulty fans, whining pumps, artifacts, black screens, etc. It happens. Sucks? yeah. Easy fix though. Just return it for another one if you're not happy. It really is pretty simple.

 

[96Firebird]

Shame the Fury X is plagued by the coil whine... My first 970 had it, but it faded over time. My second 970 didn't have it. Surprised to see the reference design exhibit coil whine though.

 

[RampantAndroid]

I understand that it sucks from time to time. Defective units happen. Coil whines, faulty fans, whining pumps, artifacts, black screens, etc. It happens. Sucks? yeah. Easy fix though. Just return it for another one if you're not happy. It really is pretty simple.

I'm not arguing one way or the other here...my problems with Fury lie elsewhere.

 

[Elixer]

I don't get it man. Who ok'd this card to go out. Who ok'd the pump design and noise.

Obviously, AMD didn't make the pump, and if Coolermaster told them the issue was resolved, and if their internal testing showed it was resolved, then it is pretty obvious that, if there is a issue with pump whine (as opposed to forum whine, which is hugely more annoying) then, something screwed up at the plant.

It isn't ALL cards that have the issue either, it could have been shipments from a certain batch, and some people were unlucky enough to get the problem batch.

AMD has been using Coolermaster stuff forever, and I am sure, if there is a issue, they will take care of people who bought the cards, unlike, for example nvidia and the gimped 970.

Would it have been better if they could test each card in a quiet room, and see if there is any noise? Sure. Though, that would have meant more delays, and more $$$.

BTW, coil whine has been around since the prices started to go above $400, and there is no easy fix for it (just like how there is no cure for forum whine)

 

[Keysplayr]

Obviously, AMD didn't make the pump, and if Coolermaster told them the issue was resolved, and if their internal testing showed it was resolved, then it is pretty obvious that, if there is a issue with pump whine (as opposed to forum whine, which is hugely more annoying) then, something screwed up at the plant.

It isn't ALL cards that have the issue either, it could have been shipments from a certain batch, and some people were unlucky enough to get the problem batch.

AMD has been using Coolermaster stuff forever, and I am sure, if there is a issue, they will take care of people who bought the cards, unlike, for example nvidia and the gimped 970.

Would it have been better if they could test each card in a quiet room, and see if there is any noise? Sure. Though, that would have meant more delays, and more $$$.

If Coolermaster told them? Even if that did happen, don't you think it should have been checked first hand by AMD QC before being sent out to be reviewed by the world?
And as far as batches go, PCper was cited as saying the two retail FuryXs they purchased were even worse than the press samples. What are the chances of them buying two retail cards that were in the same batch as the press samples? And if it's not from the same batch, that means there are other batches out there that can be worse, or better.