AnandTech's KyroII Review

[RoboTECH]

well, this 3dMark2001 better look kickass...

I've been downloading over 2 hours, and I just passed the 40% mark, and only after downloading a download speeder-upper and a download manager

WHAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA........I MISS MY DSL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:Q:|:Q:disgust::frown::|:Q:disgust::frown::Q:Q:|:Q:disgust::frown::|:Q:disgust::frown::Q:frown::Q

 

[RoboTECH]

jesus h. christ, i'm still not done yet, and i've been downloading nonstop since I wrote my previous post

good heavens, this is painful

50 MB used to be a snap, a few minutes at most.

<SSIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH>

 

[randomlinh]

heh, yeah, going from a T1 at school.. to a 28.8 at home for spring break.. uch... oh well, cable beta testing is nearing an end (i hope) and going mainstream round here.. will be cheaper/faster than DSL (unless a CO pops up next door).. it will hold me over for the summer

 

[BFG10K]

BenSkywalker:

In the most CPU bound case in Quake3 the Kyro is getting beaten by a decent margin by the DDR GF2 boards,

But a 64 MB GF2 DDR costs a lot more than a Kyro2 does.

scores in that particular review don't reflect it because they ran all the benches in 32bit

It's realistic to expect that most people play games in 32 bit colour.

Did you notice the MDK2 scores?

Yes, but admittedly that game doesn't interest me so it doesn't factor into the equation of me buying a new video card.

For ~$150 I would definately pick up a GF2.

You're not going to find a 64 MB GTS for $150.

It still will have an edge, but as it stands now your GF2MX has twice the raw fill of the KyroII, the state of the art for each opens up a five hundred percent rift.

I'm sure it does, but as we've seen time and time again raw fillrate is meaningless without memory bandwidth to back it up. The Kyro2 will spank my GF2 MX in real world performance and will make a nice upgrade.

 

[powervr2]

see this
http://paraknowya.de/files/PowerVR-levels.doc

to understand kyro II

 

[BenSkywalker]

Robo-

Well.......???

BFG-

&quot;But a 64 MB GF2 DDR costs a lot more than a Kyro2 does.&quot;

I thought we were talking about T&amp;L? Besides, you can get a Pro now for the same price as a 64MB DDR and have an even larger edge

&quot;It's realistic to expect that most people play games in 32 bit colour.&quot;

Of course, but if you are trying to demonstrate CPU limited instances then you should run 16bit(640x480 or lower too).

&quot;Yes, but admittedly that game doesn't interest me so it doesn't factor into the equation of me buying a new video card.&quot;

Twice as fast when the unit is being used for hardware T and L(unlike Quake3). That is a real world edge, and a lot of games besides MDK2 are using hardware T&amp;L(actually pushing some extra polys to take advantage of the power too).

&quot;You're not going to find a 64 MB GTS for $150.&quot;

Wouldn't bother me in the least. SS will be a bit off without the added RAM<shrugs> At $150 you are looking at bargain boards. I'd be a lot more interested in the KyroII if it was 32MB and had T&amp;L then the way it sits now.

&quot;I'm sure it does, but as we've seen time and time again raw fillrate is meaningless without memory bandwidth to back it up. The Kyro2 will spank my GF2 MX in real world performance and will make a nice upgrade.&quot;

So would a GTS, and a GTS will be more consistent about it. In certain situations the KII will outperform a GF2U, in others it will be considerably slower then you GF2MX. Speaking for myself, I'd rather have an across the board upgrade. A Radeon 32MB DDR will only set you back(well, maybe not you in particular due to limited availability) ~$90, and offer a like upgrade in performance. Clearly it would lose in some areas, but it also would be faster in others.

I'm not trying to talk anyone out of buying one. I know what I am playing at the moment and in those games hardware T&amp;L is a big boost. I know what games I am planning on getting, and those reportedly also rely reasonably heavily on hardware T&amp;L if you have it. I've never bought a board to &quot;upgrade&quot; and gave up features(well, proprietary API support aside).

 

[RoboTECH]

downloaded 3dmark2001 finally, after nearly 6 hours.

I dunno if I want to bother running it on the V3 tho, heh....prolly wait until the Inno3d comes in this week. <G>

I thought we were talking about T&amp;L? Besides, you can get a Pro now for the same price as a 64MB DDR and have an even larger edge

exactly. that's why I picked one up (that and a sub-$200 tag, heh...)

(MDK2...) twice as fast when the unit is being used for hardware T and L

depends on your CPU and resolution

&quot;You're not going to find a 64 MB GTS for $150.&quot;

hehehe....wellllll......

I'd be a lot more interested in the KyroII if it was 32MB and had T&amp;L then the way it sits now.

admittedly, so would I, but I'm still quite interested.

Kyro-II Ultra, w/T&amp;L clocked @ 200 MHz, and dual TMU's/pipe, that's what I wanna see!

A Radeon 32MB DDR will only set you back(well, maybe not you in particular due to limited availability) ~$90, and offer a like upgrade in performance.

Uhhhh....are you saying a 32MB DDR Radeon = Kyro-II?

no chance. c'mon now....

 

[BenSkywalker]

Robo-

&quot;downloaded 3dmark2001 finally, after nearly 6 hours.&quot;

You think that's bad??? Have you forgotten what the wonderful world of 56K is like?

&quot;I dunno if I want to bother running it on the V3 tho, heh....prolly wait until the Inno3d comes in this week. <G>&quot;

D@mn, I thought you were running another V5.. Sorry to hear about your current situation, are the wife and kids OK?

&quot;exactly. that's why I picked one up (that and a sub-$200 tag, heh...)&quot;

You should be able to hit Ultra speeds with it too, though even running at stock it does a little bit better then a <shudder>V3...

&quot;depends on your CPU and resolution&quot;

They were using a GHZ Athlon in their benches, and from what I have seen the game code is still the bottleneck at that CPU power even for a GeForce1(with a large margin left until the T&amp;L unit is the bottleneck from what I have seen). True about the resolution, but at 1024x768 32bit all the GF2 DDR boards are still ~50% then the KyroII can hit using 640x480.

More then anything I think that is a good example of the power rift between CPUs and hardware T&amp;L units(even the &quot;lousy&quot; static ones we have today). Back when the GF debuted we heard how then current CPUs could best it in T&amp;L functions. Here we are nearly eighteen months later and CPUs that are bleeding edge now still can't best it. I don't recall you being around at the time Robo, but to all the people that were and argued the point I am saying &quot;I told you so I told you so&quot;

&quot;&quot;You're not going to find a 64 MB GTS for $150.&quot;&quot;

I found a pro, from a regular online vendor, for sub $200(no special or coupons or anything). I'd imagine when we start seeing the GF3 in circulation $150 won't be too far off the Pros pricepoint.

&quot;admittedly, so would I, but I'm still quite interested.

Kyro-II Ultra, w/T&amp;L clocked @ 200 MHz, and dual TMU's/pipe, that's what I wanna see!&quot;

My understanding is that the next part will be an all new DX8 board with all the features expected. Should be out around the launch of the NV25 I would think, though I know nothing on a timeframe for that one(except the usual &quot;before the end of the year&quot; line).

&quot;Uhhhh....are you saying a 32MB DDR Radeon = Kyro-II?

no chance. c'mon now....&quot;

In SeriousSam no. What else? MBTR and MDK2 the Radeon blows away the KyroII, Quake3 and UT they are very close with them swapping off the edge. Look at all the scores(and how the 32MB Radeon compares to the 64MB), not just one game. When all the scores are factored together the KyroII doesn't look anywhere near as impressive as the SS benches make it seem. MBTR is probably the closest example to games that I play(in terms of comparable performance) and in that the Radeon is clearly the superior offering.

Not only that, but the Radeon has superior feature support and costs less. Why wouldn't I place this in the same category as the KyroII? They are both budget boards with overall performance well below that of the fastest cards, although very respectable. The Radeon is a DX7 board while the Kyro is more of a DX6 1/2.

 

[RoboTECH]

&quot;downloaded 3dmark2001 finally, after nearly 6 hours.&quot;

You think that's bad??? Have you forgotten what the wonderful world of 56K is like

HELL YES!!!!! i tried as much as possible to forget such pain! That damn thing would've been a 10-15 minute download, tops. <SIIIIIIIGH>:disgust:

D@mn, I thought you were running another V5.. Sorry to hear about your current situation, are the wife and kids OK?

the 5500 hasn't arrived yet. Axiontech has been VERY VERY slow in their RMA process.

FWIW, I tried to run it on the 3500 last night. Would've install all the way. Something about &quot;couldn't create D3draw soemthing...&quot;

wife and kids are okay, but I am in PAIN. I have heard some peeps say they returned their 5500 because it wasn't any better than their 3500.

WHAT THE F#*#&amp; IS WRONG WITH THOSE PEOPLE?!?!?!?!!?!?

You should be able to hit Ultra speeds with it too, though even running at stock it does a little bit better then a <shudder>V3...

that's why I picked it up instead of an Ultra. $150 bought me my IWill KK266-R.

re: T&amp;L and my comment about &quot;depends on game and CPU and resolution&quot;, I'm referring to MDK2 @ 1280 and 1600. Faster w/HW T&amp;L disabled on my old GTS &quot;Pro&quot;

as far as the Radeon vs. KyroII debate, well, I'm looking to move to Win2k (winME sucks SOOOOOO hard!!!) That should say it all.

 

[BFG10K]

RoboTECH:

wife and kids are okay, but I am in PAIN.

What happened dude? Did you have an accident or something? I hope you're OK.

 

[RoboTECH]

hahahaha...actually, I had a horrible accident, but I was alone in the car, and nothing happened to me (go figure, car got torn to hell tho!)

Ben was just joking with me, due to the pain I was experiencing going from GTS-Pro/5500 to a V3

 

[bluemax]

<< I have heard some peeps say they returned their 5500 because it wasn't any better than their 3500.
WHAT THE F#*#&amp; IS WRONG WITH THOSE PEOPLE?!?!?!?!!?!? >>



They probably have a low-end CPU like me. My Cel450A gets the same 3dmark score with the V5 that I did with the V3.
On the other hand, I get 4xFSAA for &quot;free&quot; because of that.

I'm 99% ready to go Radeon LE.

 

[Soccerman]

You should be able to hit Ultra speeds with it too, though even running at stock it does a little bit better then a <shudder>V3...

hey you! shush! my V3 does fine for the games I play

though I'm lookin at a Kyro 2 with T&amp;L for my next video card..

what I don't understand (I stated this somewhere else, and Benskywalker touched on it as well), is what they did with another 2 million transistors between the original Kyro, and the one we see reviews of now (I'm hesitant to call it a Kyro 2). we don't see any new features, or anything like that.. could they have simply increased the size of a buffer or something?

I'm salivating over what their next gen part could do.. as long as it's within my price range (hey if they simply just add a TMU to each pipe, add T&amp;L and the DX8 features, I'd be fine with that, as long as the prices weren't sky high, ie over $200 Canadian). I'm probably not going to get this one that was reviewed now, though I don't know that for sure. it certainly would be nice, but I really think my next card should have T&amp;L, it's going to have to last as long as my V3 did!

btw, RoboTECH, your V3 cannot run this, AFAIK, unless somehow you have drivers that use DX8 ok (or I'm brain dead and missed something painfully obvious).

 

[BenSkywalker]

Soccerman-

&quot;hey you! shush! my V3 does fine for the games I play &quot;

It's time to drop some cash on a new board, ANY new board

&quot;I'm salivating over what their next gen part could do.. as long as it's within my price range (hey if they simply just add a TMU to each pipe, add T&amp;L and the DX8 features, I'd be fine with that, as long as the prices weren't sky high, ie over $200 Canadian).&quot;

I'd say ~six months will likely be the time frame for their next gen part. It will be an all new chip I'm almost positive, adding DX8 support isn't exactly simple Now the price you are going to pay, I'd say over $200 CDN is pretty much a given for DX8 boards for at least the rest of the year(though I would be glad to have that point proven wrong).

&quot;it certainly would be nice, but I really think my next card should have T&amp;L, it's going to have to last as long as my V3 did!&quot;

I would consider the V3 to have stopped lasting about the time Quake3 launched(late 1999), you do have a bit different standards so I don't think I can comment on that

bluemax-

&quot;I'm 99% ready to go Radeon LE.&quot;

Take that $90 and upgrade your CPU first. If you were in the Duron/Athlon/PIII 600 range(800MHZ Celeron) I'd say go for it, but a Celery 450(I assume it is natively a 300a?) is loooong past its' prime. Your V5 has a lot more to offer then what you have gotten out of it so far, and the CPU upgrade will help out your entire sytem.

Robo-

&quot;HELL YES!!!!! i tried as much as possible to forget such pain! That damn thing would've been a 10-15 minute download, tops. <SIIIIIIIGH>&quot;

It was nice when my little sister was going to college up the road a bit. If I had heavy downloading to do I could go over to her room throw my CDRW into her machine and grab a GB when I had the time. Then she went and graduated, kids have no priorities these days I tell ya

&quot;the 5500 hasn't arrived yet. Axiontech has been VERY VERY slow in their RMA process.&quot;

STILL??? Sounds like your gonna have to go &quot;green&quot; on their @ss....

&quot;re: T&amp;L and my comment about &quot;depends on game and CPU and resolution&quot;, I'm referring to MDK2 @ 1280 and 1600. Faster w/HW T&amp;L disabled on my old GTS &quot;Pro&quot;&quot;

Sh!t that's right, you never got the Det3s working right on your rig. It's quite a bit different now, Det4s pull away even further(when using hard T&amp;L at high res) from the Det2s. I forgot about the issues you had with the 6.18s...

&quot;as far as the Radeon vs. KyroII debate, well, I'm looking to move to Win2k (winME sucks SOOOOOO hard!!!) That should say it all.&quot;

We haven't seen anything on Win2K for the KyroII yet, have we? I know ATi still has a ways to go, but we know at least that they have made a lot of progress. Maybe IT has Win2K drivers that are as good or even better then there Win9X offerings, but I'd hold out on that assumption unless you have seen something I haven't? You have the GF2 Pro coming anyway though, you shouldn't have any worries about drivers with Win2K(you know you really don't need to buy a new gfx card every month, you might even drop some of that money on games).

 

[oldfart]

Bluemax, I agree with Ben. Keep the 5500 and get a new CPU. That 450A is going to hold you back no matter what video card you have.

 

[RoboTECH]

bluemax, dude, you REALLY gotta grab a new CPU

if you have a low-end CPU, you're not going to get much out of a new card, you'll be CPU limited in all cases.

btw, RoboTECH, your V3 cannot run this

hell, I can't even get it to LOAD!

GTS Pro is in, that will change.

We haven't seen anything on Win2K for the KyroII yet, have we?

actually, I've seen a few reviews which showed that the K-II's Win2k performance is identical, and in some cases even higher in Win2k.

&quot;the 5500 hasn't arrived yet. Axiontech has been VERY VERY slow in their RMA process.&quot;

STILL??? Sounds like your gonna have to go &quot;green&quot; on their @ss....

they finally got it in the mail last night. What's funny is I'm just going to sell it anyway, heh....

hopefully I won't need to pick up a new monitor for the Inno3d GTS Pro tho. Of course, I can easily sell my present 19&quot; with no problem, but nonetheless...I've never had a shadow mask monitor, so it will be interesting to note the difference. Good experience.

Sh!t that's right, you never got the Det3s working right on your rig. It's quite a bit different now, Det4s pull away even further(when using hard T&amp;L at high res) from the Det2s. I forgot about the issues you had with the 6.18s...

oh dude, it was just horrible, horrible. I'm hoping the 10.80's are much better. Any word on 11xx?

BTW, once I get the new rig up and running, i'm going to be posting on a day-by-day basis, my own review.

is there a downloadable Serious Sam demo or something? My buddy has DSL, I can get him to download it for me.

(you know you really don't need to buy a new gfx card every month, you might even drop some of that money on games).

har har har

I've actually only PURCHASED 2 video cards in the last 6 months. It's Axiontech's damn RMA slowness that makes it seem as though I have.

I've been using all older cards that I had lying around.

Looking forward to stablility with the 10.80 drivers. At least I hope....

 

[bluemax]

I know what you're going to say as soon as I mention 3D Mark 2K, but still...

I sold the Voodoo5 to someone who really wanted it, and the person who bought my ELSA Erazor X2 (Geforce DDR) sent it back to me and it works perfectly. After removing all traces of 3dfx drivers from my system, 3DMark2K went from <1500mks to >3500mks on the same CPU. More importantly, it LOOKED much, much smoother in FPS. Have yet to try all of my games out again, but I think that until I can get a new CPU, this card will do me better in the short run.

Considering I'm also planning a move to Linux and Win2K, it's not a bad long term move either.

I'm also just sick and #@$$% tired of video card &quot;upgrading&quot;. This card works fine so I'm keeping the smegging thing! Good 2D on it too... I continue to say ELSA is almost equal to the Voodoo5... I can't really tell the difference. At high res. On a professional monitor.

 

[RoboTECH]

bluemax, if you're going to use 3dMark2000 as a video card benchmark, at least use 32-bit color.

 

[bluemax]

What makes you think I didn't? :Q

 

[BenSkywalker]

Robo

&quot;is there a downloadable Serious Sam demo or something? My buddy has DSL, I can get him to download it for me.&quot;

The Test2 version is available, should be everywhere you would look for it(3DFiles, Fileplanet, Avault, all the usual places). I have three different places I have it on CD right now, one I had DLed(and forgotten about) quite a while ago, another that one of the upstanding members of this board sent me(great guy, sympathetic to those who have lost their BB access) and another one that came on &quot;GOD&quot; demo CD from I think it was CGW....(found it for DL, 73.5 MBs)

&quot;actually, I've seen a few reviews which showed that the K-II's Win2k performance is identical, and in some cases even higher in Win2k.&quot;

Excellent, if nothing else it will keep pressure on nVidia to keep up with their Win2K driver development, they haven't really had much pressure there yet(though they have done extremely well and ATi is closing the gap).

&quot;hopefully I won't need to pick up a new monitor for the Inno3d GTS Pro tho. Of course, I can easily sell my present 19&quot; with no problem, but nonetheless...I've never had a shadow mask monitor, so it will be interesting to note the difference. Good experience.&quot;

It isn't so bad. Actually, I probably shouldn't give my opinion cuz I can't stand AG monitors.

&quot;oh dude, it was just horrible, horrible. I'm hoping the 10.80's are much better. Any word on 11xx?&quot;

Not for Win2K yet I know they are circulating, but none have been leaked to the best of my knowledge.

&quot;BTW, once I get the new rig up and running, i'm going to be posting on a day-by-day basis, my own review.&quot;

Cool, you gonna pick up any new games to show of some of those nice features you have on your board now? Don't know if this is the truth or not, but it is being circulated that Sacrifice's next patch will add Dot3 support. Sacrifice already looks pretty d@mn good as it is, may just give Giants a run for its' money with Dot3...

&quot;I've actually only PURCHASED 2 video cards in the last 6 months. It's Axiontech's damn RMA slowness that makes it seem as though I have.&quot;

For my own systems(read, not including all those that I have bought for builds for other people/upgrades for them etc.) you have bought exactly two more boards then I have in the last six months How many have you bought in the last eighteen for your own rig? I'm at a whopping one

&quot;Looking forward to stablility with the 10.80 drivers. At least I hope....&quot;

I don't know about Win9X, but the Win2K build is fuggin rock solid. A few glitches here and there in some games(odd filtering and sh!t, nothing major) but I've been hammering on this machine, haven't installed a driver properly once yet, haven't uninstalled any of them properly either, yanking out hardware and throwing in new without setting anything, let alone my anal process on Win9X for doing the same, not a crash. Outside of Giants(still got some NYC/toxic dump size bugs in it) crashing to the desktop a handful of times, no game has given me any problems either.

oldfart-

Have you picked up Giants yet? I just installed the latest beta patch(it asks you if you want to install it when you log on to Gamespy Giants room) and I'm seeing FPS peaks now over 120FPS!!. I'm not joking, in game I'm seeing 35-45FPS frequently, and it does look a lot smoother. I didn't see any mention of any performance issues being fixed, although they did state that this patch requires DX8 which the older ones didn't.

bluemax-

Gotta go with Robo here, at least swap over to 32bit color(he!l for you it probably won't make that much of a difference anyway). I'd still say drop some cash on a new CPU at least(go for a full mobo/T-Bird/Duron upgrade if you have enough).

 

[RoboTECH]

Ben, agreed about the Win2k driver issue. More pressure is a good thing.

As far as Serious Sam is concerned, I'm going to buy it, it looks like my style of game.

It isn't so bad. Actually, I probably shouldn't give my opinion cuz I stand AG monitors]

is that because of the monitors or your nvidia card?

Cool, you gonna pick up any new games to show of some of those nice features you have on your board now?

Serious Sam and Giants, at least. I may also grab MBTR full version, tho I'm not sure. The demo is pretty cool.

How many have you bought in the last eighteen for your own rig? I'm at a whopping one

1) I'm an upgrade bitch. I like to upgrade.
2) In the last 18 months, I've had the following cards for my own rig:

- TNT2U Creative Labs
- Guillemot Prophet II 32MB GTS
- V5-5500
- Creative Labs 64MB GTS
- V5-5500
- Inno3d Tornado GTS Pro

Other than SS and Giants, what else should I grab? I like action-type stuff, not RPG or RTS type stuff.

I don't like to think much while playing, I just wanna blow $hit up.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Robo-

&quot;is that because of the monitors or your nvidia card?&quot;

Hehe, I don't know what it is, even hooked up to a G400 something bugs the hell out of me with them, or at least everyone that I have seen to date. I can see the grille and my eyes focus on it which gives the impression to me that it's running at a 60Hz refresh rate, give me headaches in 2D(particularly nasty with anything white). 3D I love the FD Trinis, real sweet(having your straight lines straight is a very nice feature).

&quot;Serious Sam and Giants, at least. I may also grab MBTR full version, tho I'm not sure. The demo is pretty cool.&quot;

Finally got you to get Giants<I hope he likes it or I'll never hear the end of it>, I think you'll have a lot of fun. Make sure to delete/rename/move the arpfix.gzp file in your Giants/Bin directory(doesn't make a difference for a while in the game). Make sure you watch the cutscenes, several places invented a new award for cutscenes just because Giants are so good. Lots of humor too, along with the eye candy I think you'll enjoy it.

Serious Sam I don't see how you wouldn't like it, it's the closest to Doom updated I've seen yet(far moreso then any Quake ever was). Real simple, kill anything that moves(and a whole lot a sh!t moves).

&quot;Other than SS and Giants, what else should I grab? I like action-type stuff, not RPG or RTS type stuff.&quot;

I'm not a real fan of RTSs either, but Sacrifice impressed me a great deal. Nothing like C+C or WarCraft where you are some far aways general type, your down their in the sh!t along with your &quot;troops&quot;(kinda like a Sarge). I guess the game is supposed to be very difficult(I've heard a lot of people complaining about it, I think games today are overall way the fvck too easy though Sacrifice had a bit of a challenge). Have you given the demo a shot? If not I'd say download it and take it for a whirl. My battle strategy overall is very complex of course, Blitzkrieg, regroup, blitzkrieg again

Other then that, I guess Tribes2 would be a good one. That's more online team based type, but I can't think of any good mindless shooters on the horizon or in the recent past.

I honestly found Evolva to be well worth the $10 I paid for it(though I woulda been p!ssed if I spent $50). Once you get the hang of evolving your creatures down(which doesn't play well at all in the demo) it is interesting and overall it is a blow things up game(sometimes too much in fact, finding plants to make big explosions, finding keys to open doors for some reason seemed much more intriguing).

No One Lives Forever is an excellent game, but it is very slow paced in many sections and requires you to sneak around quite a bit too much for my tastes(you can kill 'em all in the earlier levels, sometimes you are required not to be even seen or you have to restart). Won a lot of GOTY awards, and it does have a decent challengs to it, but like I said it is a bit slow.

&quot;I don't like to think much while playing, I just wanna blow $hit up.&quot;

Well, you might want to think a little bit in Giants. You walk in with guns firing on a lot of the missions and your toast. You can be outnumbered thirty to one or more, a little bit of thinking goes a long way(though you still mainly blow sh!t up).

 

[Mage]

Sorry if this was previously discussed or answered in this thread (or in another)...but I'm curious as to the Kyro 2's DX8 features...I'm not expecting it to have the per pixel lightsourcing or whatever Carmack was talking about, but...did anyone see those Shogo2 shots? It had a little gremlin-thing rendered in a Jet-Grind-Radio style, (as well as a nice looking mech in the background)...just how would the KyroII do that? I heard the Radeon apparently lacks many DX8 features, but...not sure how many the KyroII lacks...

Shogo2

Also, Unreal2 is apparently going to have LOTS and lots of polygons on the screen...(and it looks incredible, just take a gander:

Unreal2

this was my favorite shot.

&quot;One of the key features of the latest version of the Unreal Engine is its ability to push extremely high numbers of polygons onscreen simultaneously&quot; This seems to imply that T&amp;L will be very important...I -really- really want to see what Tim Sweeney thinks of the card (well, really just how it runs his current build of Unreal2, heh.) If it runs Unreal2 acceptably (say, geforce2 gts speed) that'd be really great

 

[fallengodx]

I first stated that I thought kyro2 was a waste of materials as the Geforce2 MX 64mb is(which it is ). I think I would have to change my mind acctuly seeing the benchmarks, if they are accurate. I was looking at the specs of it before there was an acctual benchmark out, and you sure wouldnt think it would perform as well in 16 bit worlds as it did. I prolly wouldnt buy one just because its lack of T&amp;L. I would rather spend my money for something with a little newer technology. But...it sure does haul in 1024x768 and below in 16 bit worlds. Acctuly was keeping up with the Geforce2 Pro. To bad it completly dies in 32bit. The FPS got cut by like 60% in 32, not to good. This card is still somewhat of a deal though. I would probably buy this over a G2 MX if I did not already have an ultra.