Anandtech's review of the iphone 6 is out!

[TrulyUncouth]

Part of the test is they have a script on the phone load a different website like every ten seconds, so not displaying white the whole time. I believe they mean they had the phone display an all white screen then calibrated thee brightness to 200 nits based on that all white screen.

Considering how brightness adjustment works on amoled displays isn't it possible this ends up with higher brightness in practice on amoleds? I know I've read in display reviews multiple times that brightness is reduced in amoled displays when displaying all white. I remember brightness jumping up to 100% by just displaying a 50% white image.

Not sure how you could account for this, but seems like it makes apples to apples comparison pretty hard.

 

[Phokus]

Wow, you are so ridiculous you don't even realize how bad it is. Sad.

You post the iPhone 6 anandtech review first so you can throw in your snide remark about it being a somehow biased review.

Then, in order to 'prove' the terrible battery life in the iPhone 6/6+ you post a battery test from another source?!?! Why the hell wouldn't you just use the battery test graphic FROM THE REVIEW THAT YOU MADE THIS POST FOR??? That is exactly the point of this thread, to discuss the merits of the review. Why did you even post the review in this forum if you aren't ever going to reference it?

Here is the battery test on AT for all the people who aren't off their kilter crazy when it comes to apple:

The Sony's aren't on there, which blow away everyone else.

Edit: It's also funny that the Anandtech battery test doesn't have more phablets to compare with the 6+ which is stupid and biased.

My point of posting the review was to announce it, not to endorse what they found.

 

[QueBert]

The Sony's aren't on there, which blow away everyone else.

Edit: It's also funny that the Anandtech battery test doesn't have more phablets to compare with the 6+ which is stupid and biased.

]b]My point of posting the review was to announce it, not to endorse what they found.[/b]

LOL you would never endorse anything positive about Apple, we know damn well you posted this to pick apart the review.

 

[cheezy321]

The Sony's aren't on there, which blow away everyone else.

Edit: It's also funny that the Anandtech battery test doesn't have more phablets to compare with the 6+ which is stupid and biased.

My point of posting the review was to announce it, not to endorse what they found.

Who said you had to endorse? The purpose of posting this review was to discuss the review; not other reviews. There is no reason to post a different battery test, especially one of a phone that isn't even out yet in the US. Its stupid and just goes to show how insanely far you will go to attempt to paint apple in a bad light.

Bottom line is both the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6+ fared very well on anandtech battery tests. Nothing you can say will change this. I know in your mind the iPhone battery is a piece of crap that lasts 30 minutes, but you can come back to reality now. We all hope you will find the help you desperately need.

 

[Roland00Address]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8554/the-iphone-6-review

Is it me, or is there a big ethical lapse here? The site's owner, anand lal shimpi, is employed by Apple. As we saw with the Gamergate debacle, journalists did not disclose their financial/sexual conflicts of interests and that caused a big poopstorm which made many sites revise their conflict of interest policies to include disclosures (including revising past articles with disclosures).

You see this bs pisses me off. Anand disclosed that he is no longer the editor of anandtech and that he is retiring from tech journalism in a big goodbye letter. Ryan Smith is now editor in chief of AT. 4 other people wrote the iPhone review, and none of them Anand and Anand no longer has editorial control, yet the legimentcy of the review is questioned due to it being an apple review.

This conspiracy crap and attacking someone's ethics when they did everything right pisses me off.

 

[TuxDave]

The Sony's aren't on there, which blow away everyone else.

Edit: It's also funny that the Anandtech battery test doesn't have more phablets to compare with the 6+ which is stupid and biased.

My point of posting the review was to announce it, not to endorse what they found.

Note 3 not good enough for you?

 

[QueBert]

Anand's new job at Apple shouldn't make any difference. Reviews of iPhone and Apple products in general have been stellar on here for years now.

 

[Commodus]

The Sony's aren't on there, which blow away everyone else.

Edit: It's also funny that the Anandtech battery test doesn't have more phablets to compare with the 6+ which is stupid and biased.

My point of posting the review was to announce it, not to endorse what they found.

Or... it could just be that they haven't tested more phablets yet. That's still not great, but there's a big difference between an incomplete data set and a sinister conspiracy.

This is the big problem I have whenever someone cries "omg, biased!" about a review. More often than not, it's an attempt to shoehorn honest limitations and mistakes into a conspiratorial narrative. It actually reveals more about the bias of the attacker than the reviewer -- that they won't accept a review's findings unless it fits their pre-conceived (and usually flawed) opinion of the brand or product.

I'd like to see more phones in the test, too, but it's not wrong to say that the iPhone 6 Plus has good battery life.

 

[Anubis]

Phokus, seriously just stop posting
just because you have some misguided hate for the iphone does not change the fact that that is a high quality top end device. the fact that it may not be "THE BEST" in some tests does not change that fact

 

[sweenish]

This thread was hilarious.

 

[dawheat]

While there are some Apple fans here who hilariously defend Apple in every possible way (see the Bendgate thread for example), Phokus by himself outdoes all of them combined on the Android side.

Why the hell would anyone take a mobile phone ecosystem so personally, even if you worked for the company. I've worked for several tech companies and outside of new college hires, everyone with experience is able to look at their own product reasonably objectively. Otherwise you're a terrible product owner.

 

[Red Storm]

I would like to see review sites start to share the scripts they use to test so we can get a more informed idea of what's going on. The more informed we are the less complaining there can be, and also less claims of bias and whatnot.

 

[Eug]

I would like to see review sites start to share the scripts they use to test so we can get a more informed idea of what's going on. The more informed we are the less complaining there can be, and also less claims of bias and whatnot.

I suspect it's like recipes. They want to keep their own home-brews in-house. They get to be consistent, but only they have access to it.

 

[Deeko]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8554/the-iphone-6-review

Is it me, or is there a big ethical lapse here? The site's owner, anand lal shimpi, is employed by Apple. As we saw with the Gamergate debacle, journalists did not disclose their financial/sexual conflicts of interests and that caused a big poopstorm which made many sites revise their conflict of interest policies to include disclosures (including revising past articles with disclosures).

I haven't read it yet, but given by the fact that you're throwing a fit over Anand going to Apple, I can only assume it's positive. Get a grip man.... the iPhone 6 is going to get a lot of positive reviews. They aren't all mindlessly biased.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Ah. Would be nice for them to give us access to that script...

I expressed that before and I got chastised by Joshua Ho that this would result in massive cheating.

But to me, a scientist and engineer, I believe that the test method itself is very important. While OEMs like Samsung or LG could potentially "cheat" and optimize their phones for an Anandtech benchmark, in the end, your benchmark needs to be realistic and a good approximation for typical use. So if indeed they want to cheat, they're really just optimizing battery life for typical use.

If your battery benchmark involves running some 3rd party drain app that's totally unrealistic of typical use scenarios, then in fact cheating would distort the results and give inaccurate pictures. But that once again comes down to the test method and emphasizes that a bad test method gives a bad benchmark regardless of cheating.

Remember that even in the face of GPU cheating scandals, Anandtech did publish their HL2 timedemo benchmark before and other games also.

Sure they can hide behind a closed source test script all they want, but without transparency, how can anyone be sure the results are not only good but meaningful?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I haven't read it yet, but given by the fact that you're throwing a fit over Anand going to Apple, I can only assume it's positive. Get a grip man.... the iPhone 6 is going to get a lot of positive reviews. They aren't all mindlessly biased.

I feel like he's just trying to throw any negative press out there about Apple and then any positive press = biased.

I'm not doubting that Anandtech has its biases, but Anand did announce he was divorcing himself from the editing process and that other people are taking over. If anything that's a far more generous gesture than continuing to write for the site EVEN if he discloses his affiliations.

 

[sweenish]

I see where you're coming from, but at the least the results are meaningful relative to all other handsets tested in a similar manner.

Given the staff's expertise, I'm going to trust that their methods are adequate enough to effectively describe "typical" usage.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I would like to see review sites start to share the scripts they use to test so we can get a more informed idea of what's going on. The more informed we are the less complaining there can be, and also less claims of bias and whatnot.

The other benefit is that there is no standard battery bench we go by. Reddit.com/r/android swears by Anandtech's test method, but having an open source test script out there would help people solve debates about Android 4.4.1 versus 4.4.2 or Franco Kernel versus stock kernel, etc. I think there's a definite need for a battery benchmark that people can use rather than arbitrary comparisons of SOT across different users and usage patterns.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I see where you're coming from, but at the least the results are meaningful relative to all other handsets tested in a similar manner.

Given the staff's expertise, I'm going to trust that their methods are adequate enough to effectively describe "typical" usage.

I'm writing this because I see a lot of drooling over any Anandtech review on /r/android, but the thing is many of us have been here for years and years. Many of us remember the Voodoo 5 review for example. I think that while I recognize that Anandtech is a very solid review site, there's certainly ups and downs the site has gone through, and most of us here are willing to openly criticize the site while acknowledging its strengths.

The battery benchmarks, while useful for comparing various phones, is not necessarily realistic though in terms of normal use. Who here on a Nexus 5 gets 8 hours of SOT? Or wasn't it more like 8.911 or something? That's ridiculous.

 

[Eug]

What was the issue with the Voodoo 5 review? I lost any interest in 3dfx's products after the Voodoo 3.

 

[Roland00Address]

Why the hell would anyone take a mobile phone ecosystem so personally, even if you worked for the company. I've worked for several tech companies and outside of new college hires, everyone with experience is able to look at their own product reasonably objectively. Otherwise you're a terrible product owner.

Some people and it may apply here can't separate themselves with traits that are nearby them, they literally turn it into aspects of their personhood. If they use a samsung phone then it is near them. They must see it as awesome for by doing so they are awesome.

Apple is not near them, it belongs to someone else, thus I will attack it till I feel better, or in extreme cases it dies.

Now the amazing thing is, suddenly give such a person an apple phone and take away their samsung phone, or give them an ipad with their samsung phone, and somehow after a while they stop hating the device for then they will be hating themselves, they will suddenly find reasons they like it. Now of course you will have to introduce such a thing gradually in their life without them seeing it as other, or force them to use it enough to move past the aversion.

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Why this happens who knows (who cares), some people say it has to do with social tribal bonding allies and enemies, some thing it has to do with acquiring resources and dopamine for we do this with food we were exposed to as kids (peas are mushy thus I will not like peas forever even if I like the taste its the texture that bothered me at 2)

All I know it is stupid, but sometimes I am guilty of it though I try to be as rational as possible.

 

[michal1980]

I thought this iPhone review was better then a lot of the previous ones when anand was around.

 

[Red Storm]

I expressed that before and I got chastised by Joshua Ho that this would result in massive cheating.

But to me, a scientist and engineer, I believe that the test method itself is very important. While OEMs like Samsung or LG could potentially "cheat" and optimize their phones for an Anandtech benchmark, in the end, your benchmark needs to be realistic and a good approximation for typical use. So if indeed they want to cheat, they're really just optimizing battery life for typical use.

If your battery benchmark involves running some 3rd party drain app that's totally unrealistic of typical use scenarios, then in fact cheating would distort the results and give inaccurate pictures. But that once again comes down to the test method and emphasizes that a bad test method gives a bad benchmark regardless of cheating.

Remember that even in the face of GPU cheating scandals, Anandtech did publish their HL2 timedemo benchmark before and other games also.

Sure they can hide behind a closed source test script all they want, but without transparency, how can anyone be sure the results are not only good but meaningful?

I agree, the best methods are those that can be publicly tested and verified. I would think that Anandtech would be one of the few sites that sees the benefit in this. Right now their battery tests mean nothing to me because they never seem to reflect what I experience in real world usage. At least if I could see their methods I would be able to test and verify, and then their numbers would actually be useful to me.

Though when I think about it, how come the community doesn't come up with an effective battery test suite? I feel like we should already have several well established and verified ones considering we have places like XDA.

 

[kpkp]

I expressed that before and I got chastised by Joshua Ho that this would result in massive cheating.

There are some smart people in the phone making industry, what if they figured it out already, what if it leaked,.... In fact we are now 100% sure that there are people working inside Apple that know exactly how this script works:ninja:.
I think it's in the interest of Anandtech to be even more transparent about it now.

 

[purbeast0]

i don't think this thread went quite as the OP was hoping it would with the normal circle jerk. funny how he has been MIA since it took that turn. amusing thread though.