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Hayabusa Rider

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I would like to see these facts, too. I've spoken to several infectious disease experts as well, and I've not heard a single one say it can't spread outside of Africa. In fact, one is extremely concerned about this outbreak. She's intelligent enough to preface her concern with caution, though.

She'd be a fool to think that an outbreak is impossible but if you were to ask her about an uncontrollable incident i think youd find that wasnt her concern
 

TheVrolok

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Seems to be some lag in here just getting away from the thread.

*edit* Did you suddenly do a 180 degree turn, after you're not too worried about things, after accusing me of being a sensationist earlier ?

I'm not concerned about that specific story, certainly in and of itself Ebola is worrying. It's called context.
 

RandomWords

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If you've played "plague Inc" you'd know that you need to get your infectivity and vectors of infection up before you boost your lethality. And if you haven't played it you should
+1 ... it is worth it to just create the name of the plague... "My __ has infected the world"

It's interesting to go back and look at the people who are "eh, whatever" nothing bad will ever happen type of conversation...

6/2014
The WHO isn't advising that people avoid travel or trade in the affected areas. Apparently they don't think this has much chance of spreading outside the currently affected areas.


Oh yeah... such a little chance.



7/2014
but the chance of it successfully spreading to other continents is quite low, it's relatively easy to quarantine, and outbreaks in Africa even more so (lack of roads in the areas with large outbreaks).
TBH rabies is far scarier. And if you want to be really rational about it the flu is probably the one that you want to be most scared of.


mmm hmm.



10/2014
Why are you acting like the first line of defense is all there is? This disease CAN'T spread rampantly in the USA for fundamental reasons. It's very easy to isolate here. Before you act hysterical and indignant and smarter than the authorities, the least you can do is read up on the subject.


... "can't" ... such a word people love to use... they said the Titanic couldn't possibly sink either. According to evolution and history our world thrives off such little chances.

.... let's hope they are right and it is nothing to worry about - and the lack of taking any precautions doesn't doom us all. I don't think it is acting hysterically to take the first line of defense and restrict travel. Better to take the first line of defense than the last - which I'm sure would hurt your delicate stomachs and you would rather you and your family get sick and die than that.
... and it isn't about being smarter than the authorities - it is about trusting them.

I've pretty much accepted that if it does become an outbreak - I'll be in the first wave to die since kids touch EVERYTHING and if they get sick I'm getting sick right along with them - plus both my husband and I work in jobs that aren't the safest where disease is concerned.

... Toon in December where this disease combines with the FLU!
 
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Ruptga

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It's interesting to go back and look at the people who are "eh, whatever" nothing bad will ever happen type of conversation...

Ok, but if that's how you want to be don't be surprised if someone's calling you a tard if it's New Year's and there has been no uncontrolled outbreak in the US.

Also, for the record, I never said nothing bad will ever happen, I said it looks like the people in the know don't expect it to spread significantly. The future's always uncertain; the best anyone can ever do is speak of probabilities.
 

RandomWords

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Will it make zombies?

I don't know but I estimate a lot of people will go to the hospital with flu symptoms thinking it is ebola... hopefully none of them actually have ebola in such a crowded room of immune weakened people... who then are given the license to go home as they just have the flu and in two weeks start spreading ebola thinking they still "have the flu" - going to work - sending their kids to school - infecting other people, other children ... dun dun dun - the suspense.
 
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RandomWords

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Ok, but if that's how you want to be don't be surprised if someone's calling you a tard if it's New Year's and there has been no uncontrolled outbreak in the US.

Oh, I don't think an uncontrolled outbreak is that likely - but to say planning for one is retarded and not likely and no precautions should be taken... well... that is just as retarded eh. Every precaution should be taken - short of killing the people - as of right now.
 

Ruptga

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Precautions by the govt, sure. That's exactly why they're quarantining (or whatever nice word they're using for it) several dozen people that the Liberian may have had contact with. That's all well and good, but there's nothing I can personally do that's going to make any positive difference, except perhaps exhorting people to chill the eff out before starting a run on WalMart or giving themselves ulcers.
 

RandomWords

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Precautions by the govt, sure. That's exactly why they're quarantining (or whatever nice word they're using for it) several dozen people that the Liberian may have had contact with. That's all well and good, but there's nothing I can personally do that's going to make any positive difference, except perhaps exhorting people to chill the eff out before starting a run on WalMart or giving themselves ulcers.

Because the government is doing such a good job - it is the attitude that "nothing will happen" let's not be serious or strict about it that has caused it to spread to other areas in the first place. Sure, people don't need to panic, but they do need to take containment seriously; hopefully the Dallas case will make them do just that. However, do you think they are doing so much better now? That they contained it in such a way that there isn't a greater chance for a dozen staff members at the hospital and more outside of it to contract the disease - that they invaded the guys right to privacy to dig up phone bills and credit card bills and whatever else they can to make sure he didn't forget anyone he came in contact with? ... hmm... but you are right - there is nothing you can personally do about it; nor is there anything I can do about it - except prepare for the worst case and hope for the best.
 
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Hoober

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She'd be a fool to think that an outbreak is impossible but if you were to ask her about an uncontrollable incident i think youd find that wasnt her concern

I believe her concerns may center around the opinions expressed by some of the less well-read members in this thread.
 

feralkid

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Well, I am more than a little worried because I have to travel to D/FW airport a lot. The last thing I need is to pick this shit up someplace when I have no fucking clue where an infected passenger has even been.


Well of course it's all about you, sweetie.

Why can't the governing bodies of planet Earth just close all of the airports, except the ones YOU need to travel to?
 

Broheim

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Nothing I said was wrong, it still hasn't successfully spread to another continet. Some asshole getting on a plane a pandemic does not make....

It is very easy to quarantine, but that doesn't mean it will be effectively quarantined in Africa. Africans aren't your everyday kind of stupid, they're an advanced kind of stupid, and have actively aided in the spread of ebola.

unlike many other viruses humans don't run around as asymptomatic carriers spreading the disease unbeknownst to themselves. You're only infectious as long as you have symptoms (well, except for sperm where the virus hang around for a little while longer) and given the relatively short incubation period it's very easy to map. A virus that is easy to map and only spread through bodily fluids is easy to quarentine.
 

WelshBloke

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I still stand by that quote there.

Rabies is scarier because there's a much bigger pool of animals that can harbour it and it's a terrible disease.
And a good old fashioned flu pandemic would kill orders of magnitude more people than this Ebola outbreak will.
 

CZroe

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OK, so some doctor who established the top hospital in Guatemala was on Hannity's radio show Friday telling everyone that this is way more contagious than authorities are letting on to and using the "NBC cameraman" as an example of that. His point was that this man was not caring for patients and, thus, had no direct contact. OK, so did anyone honestly think that the disease ONLY affected healthcare workers?! He lived in Africa for three years like nearly all the others afflicted by it! The case is no different than any other person living in these areas coming down with it and yet people are still assuming that this is some visitor taking precautions who caught it anyway.

I will play Devil's Advocate here and point out that all the officials trying to downplay how contagious it is by saying that it only spreads by fluids and isn't airborne: well, same thing goes for the flu and yet it spreads rampantly every year. Doorknobs, telephones, runny noses from the cold, and people seeking warmth indoors, that's all it takes to trigger each flu season.
 

Phoenix86

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I will play Devil's Advocate here and point out that all the officials trying to downplay how contagious it is by saying that it only spreads by fluids and isn't airborne: well, same thing goes for the flu and yet it spreads rampantly every year. Doorknobs, telephones, runny noses from the cold, and people seeking warmth indoors, that's all it takes to trigger each flu season.
They both have a similar R0 numbers, flu is somewhere between 1.2 and 2.0 depending if you are looking at the seasonal or nastier ones. Ebola is 1.6.
 

Phoenix86

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A Sheriff who was in Duncan's apartment got sick, visited a local doc-in-the-box and was sent to Presbyterian hospital out of precaution.

http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/...ave-had-contact-with-thomas-eric-duncan.html/

The Frisco patient has been identified by his family as sheriff’s Deputy Michael Monnig.
The man’s son said his father had been monitoring his temperature since last week and went to the clinic out of an abundance of caution, our Eva-Marie Ayala reports.
“We don’t want to cause a panic,” Logan Monnig said. “There is almost no chance my dad would have Ebola.”
 
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