and here we go. . . . white on black 'knockout' feds step in on hate crime

[michal1980]

Standardized tests are often written within white privilege. The topics selected are often those that cater of white privilege. Think about being back in high school and taking the SATs - the subjects of the reading comprehension essays, the peoples' names in questions, the selected vocabulary terms, etc.

Sounds like excuse making.

when as a white kid, I go to the same crappy public schools as a black kid, have the same teachers, learn the same lessons. watch the same free tv.

What 'white' privilege is there in testing?

nothing but a lot of but hurt black people along with white guilt liberals that because there was some wrong doing decades ago feel they need to fix the problem by punishing white kids today.

Think about that. You are punishing kids today, for crimes that occurred many generations ago. Yup that fixes things.

hate crimes = stupid.



Just look at this case. Yes the guy was targeted because he was black. But it doesn't sound like there was hate towards the black guy. The guy was just trying a social experiment.

White guy gets knocked out by black. - no hate crimes thanks to Obama.

Black guy gets knocked out by white - hate crime thanks to Obama.


But you race baited find hate crimes anywhere and everywhere. Always playing the victim card.

 

[Megatomic]

I guess no one has seen clips like this?

Knockout Game

ps - I am very much against any kind of hate crime, and the one in the OP is heinous. But let's not pretend that this is a one way street here folks.

 

[umbrella39]

Who is? There are threads here that have dealt with what you posted. This one deals with just another. Why is this always have to be a but, but, but... no one is pretending anything here. Documenting the entire process simply makes it easier to prosecute as such...

 

[Matt1970]

Standardized tests are often written within white privilege. The topics selected are often those that cater of white privilege. Think about being back in high school and taking the SATs - the subjects of the reading comprehension essays, the peoples' names in questions, the selected vocabulary terms, etc.

Exactly what topics caters to white privilege? Was there some handing out of reading material that only went to the white folks?

 

[TerryMathews]

Standardized tests are often written within white privilege. The topics selected are often those that cater of white privilege.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2149733

Is counting white privilege? Cardinal directions?

 

[brandonb]

Best statement of the thread. Again, there is a study out there by the U of Chicago that showed if there were 2 identical resume's except for the candidates names, where one candidate was named something like John Malarky and the other Tyrone Jackson, John would get 3x the call backs that Tyrone would. In essence, if it takes John 1 month to find a job, Tyrone is waiting 3 months before he finally lands that gig. You want to talk about unfairly getting jobs? The study shows that whites when it comes to searching for employments, for reasons that are difficult to regulate or socially correct, often don't even have to compete against all potential competitors.

Here's a challenge for you. Explain to me why white names would be picked over black names? There has to be a reason, and it isn't racism.

Hint: It's the same reason why Indians, Chinese, Russian names would be overlooked as well.

 

[nehalem256]

Best statement of the thread. Again, there is a study out there by the U of Chicago that showed if there were 2 identical resume's except for the candidates names, where one candidate was named something like John Malarky and the other Tyrone Jackson, John would get 3x the call backs that Tyrone would. In essence, if it takes John 1 month to find a job, Tyrone is waiting 3 months before he finally lands that gig. You want to talk about unfairly getting jobs? The study shows that whites when it comes to searching for employments, for reasons that are difficult to regulate or socially correct, often don't even have to compete against all potential competitors.

And if the resume had a name like Cletus Appalachianbumpkin how many callbacks did it get?....

Well, you can't answer that because they never run the test with white names like that for some reason. I wonder why? :hmm:

 

[brandonb]

As far as standardized testing. Maybe 10 years ago, I received something in the mail about standardized testing. I wish I would have kept it, but was a school district pamphlet that was mailed to my house. But it explained standardized testing. It was talking about how the school was going to start using this testing to determine graduation of their students.

This is what I remember: It was listing the scores required for graduation, and guess what? It was broken down by race: This is what I remember:

Whites had to score 64 points.
Blacks/Native Americans had to score 32 points.

All other races were in between.

And guess what. Who isn't graduating even though they have the advantage x2?

http://abcnewspapers.com/2013/11/26...h-continuation-rates-studies-achievement-gap/

So I looked up graduation from college:

(Ironic this is called students right to know)

http://www.anokaramsey.edu/en/about...tion/Anoka-Ramsey Students Right To Know.ashx

There is your answer: Suppressed to protect student privacy, in the black category. White's are listed though.

/sigh

 

[Svnla]

I think there was one black, one Hispanic, and one white involved in that killing.

Again, did the Feds/DoJ/Holden come out with the big hammer on those young punks and charge them with hate crime?

 

[pcgeek11]

I am jealous of white privilege, but I also recognize that I benefit from other privileges such as male privilege (as well as others), which has no doubt been hugely beneficial to me. I'm not 100% where I am because of my own hard work. Privileges have a huge part of it.

You come off as entitled and delusional.

How do you determine who is qualified? Don't you favor some factors over another? Do you not think white privilege plays into that?

All of American society and government needs to be reordered and redistributed and then we can go with the "don't just work hard, be the best at what you do" stuff.

Not simple. Annual performance reports are subjective in nature.

Standardized tests are often written within white privilege. The topics selected are often those that cater of white privilege. Think about being back in high school and taking the SATs - the subjects of the reading comprehension essays, the peoples' names in questions, the selected vocabulary terms, etc.

How about we farm out our standardized tests to Djibouti?



This is often what happens with white privilege though.



Yes, but we can make it more fair. Right now it's just insane and this country will never get anywhere if we keep white privilege so strong. It must be crushed and then go to crush other privileges.

Anyways, we're going well off topic here now!

Dude you have some serious White Guilt Issues.

1. America doesn't need to be reordered and redistributed.

2. Test are not written for specific races. Granted that Ebonics is BS anyway.

3. We do not need our tests written in another country.

4. They should understand the Names and the selected vocabulary terms they are written in English. If they cannot get English then they should score poorly.

 

[senseamp]

Throw the book at that loser.

 

[berzerker60]

Dude you have some serious White Guilt Issues.

1. America doesn't need to be reordered and redistributed.

2. Test are not written for specific races. Granted that Ebonics is BS anyway.

3. We do not need our tests written in another country.

4. They should understand the Names and the selected vocabulary terms they are written in English. If they cannot get English then they should score poorly.

Sounds like excuse making.

This is stupid and wrong.

Here's an actual "intelligence" test given to all Army recruits at the beginning of the First World War:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16402056/Army Alpha.doc

Some sample questions:

2. Pinochle is played with a. rackets b. cards c. pins d. dice
4. The Wyandotte is a kind of
a. horse b. fowl c. cattle d. granite

5. The U.S. School for Army Officers is at
a. Annapolis b. West Point c. New Haven d. Ithaca

6. Salsify is a kind of
a. snake b. fish c. lizard d. vegetable

7. Coral is obtained from
a. mines b. elephants c. oysters d. reefs

8. Rosa Bonheur is famous as a
[FONT=&quot]a. poet b. painter c. composer d. sculptor
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]1. Cats are useful animals, because
a. they catch mice
b. they are gentle
c. they are afraid of dogs

2. Why are pencils more commonly carried than fountain pens? Because
a. they are brightly colored
b. they are cheaper
c. they are not so heavy

3. Why is leather used for shoes? Because
a. it is produced in all countries
b. it wears well
c. it is an animal product

4. Why judge a man by what he does rather than by what he says? Because
a. what a man does shows what he really is
b. it is wrong to tell a lie
c. a deaf man cannot hear what is said

Just see how far your brilliant command of the English language gets you.

Tests have improved since then, but they're hardly been perfected. These kinds of issues are really hard to completely remove.

 

[xj0hnx]

I'm fine with anyone who does this be it white or black getting the harshest penalty possible. In this situation the victim was shown to be targeted because he was black so of course its a hate crime.

Not that I support what he did, but I don't think it's quite as clear cut and dry as that. He didn't target him for his race because he hates black people, but it seems it was in reaction to the fact that blacks have been doing it to whites, and not been charged with hate crimes, so he did it to see if he would be, and it appears to have proven his point.

 

[lotus503]

Not that I support what he did, but I don't think it's quite as clear cut and dry as that. He didn't target him for his race because he hates black people, but it seems it was in reaction to the fact that blacks have been doing it to whites, and not been charged with hate crimes, so he did it to see if he would be, and it appears to have proven his point.

I have to disagree, folks don't go knocking out old people for a social experiment. They may use that as some form of excuse for their actions, but it takes a special kind of disregard for humans to do it.

he targeted him because he was black, he said so himself. by definition a hate crime, even if he didn't hate the guy.

 

[cubby1223]

Not that I support what he did, but I don't think it's quite as clear cut and dry as that. He didn't target him for his race because he hates black people, but it seems it was in reaction to the fact that blacks have been doing it to whites, and not been charged with hate crimes, so he did it to see if he would be, and it appears to have proven his point.

I read this situation, and I think, I don't care what the motivation was. Anyone who does this should be removed from society. You don't knock someone out to impress your friends, and you certainly don't knock someone out to "test" a double-standard (which doesn't even make sense to do, sounds more like "I'm caught, let's think of something to tell the media"). Both situations deserve harsh punishment.

 

[Geosurface]

I am jealous of white privilege, but I also recognize that I benefit from other privileges such as male privilege (as well as others), which has no doubt been hugely beneficial to me. I'm not 100% where I am because of my own hard work. Privileges have a huge part of it.

Yes, there are a million privileges a person can be born with or without. The privilege of being male in some circumstances, or the privilege of being female in others. Female privilege may consist of things like being the gender that has never been subjected to the draft and only comprises 7% of workplace deaths (while the other 93% are male), and which lives longer on average, and which the entirety of society since the dawn of history has been more concerned with the well being of.

Then there's the privilege of being born without a cleft lip, Down syndrome, a missing arm, blind, deaf, shortness particularly for men, high susceptibility to depression, heart defect, alcoholism (as in the case of Native Americans), and I could go on all day. Hell, you could even talk about the human privilege as compared to being born another species, or present privilege and the advantages being alive now has over being born a thousand years ago.

Even as a tall, heterosexual, devilishly handsome white male born into a first world country, I could still have been much more privileged by being born into a wealthy family or with a higher metabolism or without the genes to go bald. I don't think it's particularly productive for me to dwell on those things though.

The people we eventually come to know the names of and admire are those who set out to achieve their goals regardless of what privileges they were or were not born with. We build no statues honoring lifelong whiners who sit around carping about what privileges they didn't get, and how it's preventing them from doing anything. Perhaps you will be the first.

Not simple. Annual performance reports are subjective in nature.

Of course they are. Which is why many police departments have gotten rid of metrics such as arrest rate, conviction rate, etc because the racial outcomes looked bad, and after all... when you're judging the efficacy of a police officer, that kind of stuff is totally subjective!

Standardized tests are often written within white privilege.

Yea, and yet Asians consistently beat whites on their own tests, written to privilege themselves... apparently Asians have more white privilege than whites do. Also interesting is the fact that even tests which have been designed to remove ALL cultural content and bias still show the same score rankings between groups that the supposedly biased tests do.

How about we farm out our standardized tests to Djibouti?

How about you move to Africa if you want to work within a black privilege framework? Oh wait, you can get that right here in America because of numerous and pervasive tangible privileges blacks have via government programs and institutional preferences at just about every level of society including corporate and particularly academia.

this country will never get anywhere if we keep white privilege so strong. It must be crushed and then go to crush other privileges.

We'll never get anywhere, eh? Funny, because I thought we got quite a lot of places back when white privilege was even stronger. Like, y'know, the moon... or to being the most powerful nation on the planet... and the top economy on the planet... and a powerhouse of technological innovation and the envy of the world in areas like governmental structure, standard of living, medicine, and even education (hard as that may be to believe these days.)

 

[nehalem256]

Yes, there are a million privileges a person can be born with or without. The privilege of being male in some circumstances, or the privilege of being female in others. Female privilege may consist of things like being the gender that has never been subjected to the draft and only comprises 7% of workplace deaths (while the other 93% are male), and which lives longer on average, and which the entirety of society since the dawn of history has been more concerned with the well being of.

Then there's the privilege of being born without a cleft lip, Down syndrome, a missing arm, blind, deaf, shortness particularly for men, high susceptibility to depression, heart defect, alcoholism (as in the case of Native Americans), and I could go on all day. Hell, you could even talk about the human privilege as compared to being born another species, or present privilege and the advantages being alive now has over being born a thousand years ago.

Most normal people would say that people who were blind, deaf, missing limbs, had down syndrome were disabled. It seems funny that liberals have invented a whole new way of speaking that refers to regular people as "privileged".

Disability/privilege are really just two ways of looking at the same situation.

So when liberals refer to male privilege or white privilege or straight privilege they are really saying women, blacks, and homosexuals are disabled. No wonder they are always treating them as if they were. And they claim that conservatives are the ones who are sexist, racist, and homophobic ^_^

 

[berzerker60]

Even as a tall, heterosexual, devilishly handsome white male born into a first world country, I could still have been much more privileged by being born into a wealthy family or with a higher metabolism or without the genes to go bald. I don't think it's particularly productive for me to dwell on those things though.

No one is asking you to dwell on it. They're just asking you to not make arguments about how easy it is for anyone to succeed if they just do what you did, because not everyone is starting with the same advantages you did. Same as it would be stupid to one of the Romney boys to call you a mooch and a loser because you clearly didn't work as hard as he did in life, or else you'd have tens of millions by now like he does.

How about you move to Africa if you want to work within a black privilege framework? Oh wait, you can get that right here in America because of numerous and pervasive tangible privileges blacks have via government programs and institutional preferences at just about every level of society including corporate and particularly academia.

How about because it's his country too, and white people don't have some entitlement to have the country protect their privilege against people asking to be treated fairly?

Most normal people would say that people who were blind, deaf, missing limbs, had down syndrome were disabled. It seems funny that liberals have invented a whole new way of speaking that refers to regular people as "privileged".

Disability/privilege are really just two ways of looking at the same situation.

So when liberals refer to male privilege or white privilege or straight privilege they are really saying women, blacks, and homosexuals are disabled. No wonder they are always treating them as if they were. And they claim that conservatives are the ones who are sexist, racist, and homophobic ^_^

No, that's incorrect. Sorry. They're different words with completely different meanings. He was right that those are different types of privilege, and the implication of that is that we should be aware of our advantages, though that does NOT mean we have to dwell on them and feel guilty. I'm privileged as someone without a brain issue, due solely to genetics/luck, and so I shouldn't look down on someone who is disabled that way if they haven't gotten as far in the world as I have. I'm privileged as a white person, due to systematic racism in our society that favors white people, and so I should be aware of that before going on about how superior I must be for having gotten further in life than a particular black person. I'm privileged in both instances, but the black person is only 'disabled' by the racist society around him, whereas the mentally handicapped person has physical cognitive problems to overcome (in addition to society's stigma against the mentally ill or different). They're not the same concept at all.

 

[Geosurface]

How about because it's his country too, and white people don't have some entitlement to have the country protect their privilege against people asking to be treated fairly?

I was using humor to point out things like affirmative action and government programs to ensure black businesses get contracts, and things like affirmative graduation and tiered score requirements (as someone else mentioned on this page) - all of which are actually the exact opposite of being 'treated fairly" hence my problem with them.

 

[classy]

Again, did the Feds/DoJ/Holden come out with the big hammer on those young punks and charge them with hate crime?

Are you just stupid or delusional? The one kid some tweets or something along that line but that's it and one of the kids was white. This man had multiple videos as well as other disturbing material to boot. This was a hate crime plain and simple. And you are really fucked in the head to use your hatred of blacks in charge to try and make some reasoning this dirt bag shouldn't be charged with a hate crime.

 

[classy]

I do not dismiss the lack of blacks being charged with hate crimes lightly, but damn, to use this case as some damn banner to make the point is sick.

 

[Geosurface]

Are you just stupid or delusional? The one kid some tweets or something along that line but that's it and one of the kids was white.

I realize the one on the right (Michael Jones) is light, but he isn't white. I wouldn't exactly call him black, either, but it wouldn't surprise me if he calls himself so.

 

[Svnla]

Are you just stupid or delusional? The one kid some tweets or something along that line but that's it and one of the kids was white. This man had multiple videos as well as other disturbing material to boot. This was a hate crime plain and simple. And you are really fucked in the head to use your hatred of blacks in charge to try and make some reasoning this dirt bag shouldn't be charged with a hate crime.

Take a look in the mirror at yourself first and see who is stupid and delusional.

Yeah, Obama and Tiger Wood are whites too, eh? :biggrin:

Where did I say this dude should not be charged with a hate crime? I never said that. You SAID that. Do not put YOUR own words into my mounth.

Oh, feel free to quote any of my posts about my "hatred of blacks" in this whole forum. Anytime now, I am sure. :whiste: Just like that moronic friend of you is still unable to post my "horrible racist PM's" to him/her. I am still waiting ..........because it NEVER happend.

 

[Specop 007]

Was it tweeted directly in reference to the crime?



Links?



It's strange you can claim that the government isn't acting fairly towards whites when our entire society and government is unfairly structured and developed to cater to white Americans. Why else has abuse of white privilege not been criminalized? It's a disgusting social ill.

So you dont even know about instances of hate crimes towards whites, and yet you feel the need to act as an authority on the subject? Interesting that.

But lets talk about society favoring one race over another. Shall we discuss fire fighter hiring practices where minorities are given lower standards than whites when it comes to promotions and hiring? What about test scores that are set by race, allowing minorities to score lower and yet be rewarded at a higher rate? Do you REALLY want to go down this road, because once the facts hit you int eh fgace you may be a bit surprised to really understand where society is at today regarding favoring one race over another.

Either that or you will simply ignore the facts, which is pretty telling in its own right.

 

[lotus503]

Take a look in the mirror at yourself first and see who is stupid and delusional.

Yeah, Obama and Tiger Wood are whites too, eh? :biggrin:

Where did I say this dude should not be charged with a hate crime? I never said that. You SAID that. Do not put YOUR own words into my mounth.

Oh, feel free to quote any of my posts about my "hatred of blacks" in this whole forum. Anytime now, I am sure. :whiste: Just like that moronic friend of you is still unable to post my "horrible racist PM's" to him/her. I am still waiting ..........because it NEVER happend.

Sorry but your posts reminded me of this

http://www.guavaleaf.com/video/704/Dave-Chapelles-Show--Racial-Draft#sthash.jtdEYmfJ.dpbs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDfcbaSGzwA