And... it's back: The ASSAULT weapons ban

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BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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The fact is, if the assault weapon ban had not expired, the killing of 20 children and six adults would not have happened as it did.

It might have happened in a different way..but there's no particular reason to think that's the case.

1. the mother could not have bought the ar-15 in the manner she did. There's no reason to think she would have bought it illegally.

2. if she didn't own it, she never could have let her son learn how to use it.

I see no facts there, only supposition.
 

TallBill

Lifer
Apr 29, 2001
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What are you talking about?

The gun used was legal under the AWB.

Are you referring to the magazine? Those have been for sale legally the whole time, too.

Fern

Plus the fact that he had handguns as well. Those seemed to work for the madman at Virginia tech. He just brought a whole bag full of magazines.
 

Munky

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Feb 5, 2005
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If you knew her history you would know how foolish you sound.

Your first mistake is assuming I don't know her history. If anything, her history with gun violence might have put her on a certain anti-gun bias, and therefore unqualified to make a rational decision on the subject, instead of reacting with her emotions.

Saying her history makes her qualified as a crime expert is like saying that getting a disease makes one qualified as a medical expert. That's how foolish you sound.
 

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Then you need to reread what I said.

OK, let's read it together.

The fact is, if the assault weapon ban had not expired, the killing of 20 children and six adults would not have happened as it did.

Let'st start looking for these facts.

It might have happened in a different way..but there's no particular reason to think that's the case.

Opinion

1. the mother could not have bought the ar-15 in the manner she did.

As has been pointed out, the weapon was legal under the AWB, so this is not a fact.

There's no reason to think she would have bought it illegally.

Opinion.

2. if she didn't own it, she never could have let her son learn how to use it.

Based on the incorrect assumption in #1, she could own it under the AWB and therefore could teach her son how to use it.

Your post is completely devoid of fact.
 

Tom

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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OK, let's read it together.



Let'st start looking for these facts.



Opinion



As has been pointed out, the weapon was legal under the AWB, so this is not a fact.



Opinion.



Based on the incorrect assumption in #1, she could own it under the AWB and therefore could teach her son how to use it.

Your post is completely devoid of fact.

I'll agree that I could be wrong about this gun being banned by the awb, there's a lot of conflicting reporting which is what I relied on.

so your points are well taken.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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There's nothing difficult about making bombs.

Black powder and black powder substitutes are readily available and in large quantities. The only restriction I see on purchases is a limit of 50lbs.

Pipe bombs are easy to make and quite deadly.

Fern

Yep, just buy a bunch of black gun power, stuff it into a pipe with a bunch of ball bearings and a fuse to light. Cap the ends and one home made pipe bomb. Fill up a backpack and run into an area lighting and toss bombs out. In a school, just run by, open door, toss in a bomb, close door, and move to next class room to repeat. If the newton killer had done this, there would be FAR more than 20 dead children.
 

BladeVenom

Lifer
Jun 2, 2005
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Brownell's, world's largest gun parts supplier, has reported they've sold 3.5 years worth of PMAGS (plastic "high" capacity magazines) in just 72 hours. They've sold even more of their own brand. That would be over a 40,000% increase in sales.

So all this gun control talk by politicians and the media is going to put far more "high" capacity magazines on the streets than if they had done nothing.
 

RampantAndroid

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Jun 27, 2004
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I highly doubt it either. I'd bet most would bury/hide their weapons and claim them lost or destroyed.

This answer was usually mentioned as well, and as I said, it's on thing to say you'll kill, another to do it. Regardless, there WILL be...complications....from trying to confiscate guns.
 

xj0hnx

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Dec 18, 2007
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The fact is, if the assault weapon ban had not expired, the killing of 20 children and six adults would not have happened as it did.

Wrong as usual, it would have happened exactly the same since the weapons wasn't covered under the ban.

It might have happened in a different way..but there's no particular reason to think that's the case.

As pointed out, it wouldn't have to happen any other way.

1. the mother could not have bought the ar-15 in the manner she did. There's no reason to think she would have bought it illegally.

She could have because it wasn't banned.

2. if she didn't own it, she never could have let her son learn how to use it.

If not then someone else would have, and he would have got the weapon from somewhere else, or made some pipe bombs and killed a LOT more people.

I'll agree that I could be wrong about this gun being banned by the awb, there's a lot of conflicting reporting which is what I relied on.

so your points are well taken.

There's no "could be", you are 100% completely wrong. You really shouldn't comment in gun threads, you are woefully unprepared to do so without looking like a complete fool.
 

schneiderguy

Lifer
Jun 26, 2006
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Here comes the first of the kneejerk legislation:

http://www.housedems.ct.gov/godfrey/2012/pr110_2012-12-20.html

Prohibit the sale and possession of any rifle, shotgun or pistol magazine with a capacity of more than 10 rounds;
Expand the definition of an 'assault weapon' under current Connecticut state law to apply to firearms which exhibit just one particular physical trait, as opposed to two (i.e., the presence of a pistol grip beneath the action of the weapon);
Require the registration with state law enforcement officials -- and the biennial registration renewal -- of all firearms by model and serial number;
Institute a 50-percent sales tax on the sale of ammunition and firearms magazines;
Require a permit to purchase ammunition;
Prohibit the online purchase of ammunition;
Prohibit the purchase of ammunition in Connecticut by anyone who is not legally authorized to possess a firearm in Connecticut;
Prohibit the storage of firearms and ammunition in a manner that allows access by persons under age 18.

None of it would have prevented the shooting. Typical power grab by the gubberment.

And jesus christ, 50% sales tax??
 

xj0hnx

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schneiderguy

Lifer
Jun 26, 2006
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I wouldn't worry, that lump of shit isn't going anywhere. The anti-gun nuts are going to get smacked down, and then teabagged if they try passing draconian bullshit like that.

I assume it will pass, if Connecticut is anything like California. And then it will take five years in the courts to sort out the mess :|

Also it appears to ban all semiautomatic pistols. Unless they are just talking about rifles in the 2nd point.
 

Agent11

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What we need is secluded ye olde style sanitariums. Put them on tropical islands and secluded wooded peaks and valleys.

While there you relax, are removed from modern media and distractions. You get fresh air, some sun light and counseling from a mental health specialist.

The goal is to get you relaxed and level headed, aware of your problems, medicated if needed and back to society as soon as possible... Or identified as a violent or truly disturbed individual and transferred to more specialized care.

Would remove the stigma of reporting your family, you are sending them to a relaxed and healthy environment were they can heal, not a scary institution like in one flew over the cuckoos nest, which were responsible for damaging many people beyond repair.
 
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shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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PSA:

ALL powder is explosive. All of it. The only reason black and smokeless powder are regulated so thoroughly is they blow up in small quantities.

You can make a bomb with powdered sugar. Flour. Sawdust. My ass scratchings. Anything.
 

Olikan

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Sep 23, 2011
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Yep, just buy a bunch of black gun power, stuff it into a pipe with a bunch of ball bearings and a fuse to light. Cap the ends and one home made pipe bomb. Fill up a backpack and run into an area lighting and toss bombs out. In a school, just run by, open door, toss in a bomb, close door, and move to next class room to repeat. If the newton killer had done this, there would be FAR more than 20 dead children.

is that easy to buy bunch black gun power?

btw, nop...you need LOTs of explosives to kill that many...human body is surprising resistent to impacts, since most of the damage is absorved by the muscles...
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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is that easy to buy bunch black gun power?

btw, nop...you need LOTs of explosives to kill that many...human body is surprising resistent to impacts, since most of the damage is absorved by the muscles...

Very easy. Can buy 50lb bags of it for cheap. Can even make it from shit and ash.

Hell, a bunch of saw dust could be used to the nearly the same effect. Are you really this ignorant on the destructive power of every day common items that are easy to obtain around you?

And you are stupid to think the human body is capable of surviving a blast of a pipe bomb filled with ball bearings in a small enclosed classroom.
 

BladeVenom

Lifer
Jun 2, 2005
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Yes, you can still buy black powder. I've only seen it sold in small cans. An individual buying 50 pounds at once might raise suspicion.

It's simple enough to make if you really want to, although somewhat dangerous. Black powder can be set off fairly easily. Static electricity from just being moved around has been known to set it off. I think there's only one American company still making the stuff. Most of the others have blown up.

Most people who shoot black powder guns prefer to use the safer substitutes made for black powder guns. Warning, never substitute smokeless powder for black powder in a black powder gun.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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The fact is, if the assault weapon ban had not expired, the killing of 20 children and six adults would not have happened as it did.

It might have happened in a different way..but there's no particular reason to think that's the case.

1. the mother could not have bought the ar-15 in the manner she did. There's no reason to think she would have bought it illegally.

2. if she didn't own it, she never could have let her son learn how to use it.

So he shoots children with the two hand guns and a shotgun instead. To act like an assault weapons ban would have made a significant difference in this case is unfounded.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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You know, a couple of friends posed the question last year, "If cops/natl guard tried to confiscate your guns, what would you do?" The answer was universally "I'd kill as many of them as I could."

It's one thing to say it, and another to DO it, but I bet that if you try to confiscate guns there WILL be plenty of dead police and national guardsman. It's foolish to try to just collect all guns.

It will be a %. And when you are talking about millions of guns and households. A small % can result in significant loss of llife.
 
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