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Viper1j

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They can even tell you (they think) if can work for someone else.

https://www.narfe.org/index.cfm?fa=viewOldArticle&id=3572

10 Things You Should Know If You Have Been Furloughed Due to the Government Shutdown:

1. When the government shutdown ends, you will not necessarily get paid for the time you were furloughed. The Office of Personnel Management (OPM) has stated “Congress will determine whether furloughed employees receive pay for the furlough period.”

2. You cannot volunteer to work. The Antideficiency Act, which provides the legal rules governing government operations during a shutdown, prevents nonexcepted federal employees from performing any job-related functions during a shutdown.

3. You cannot use annual leave or other paid time off instead of being furloughed. Paid time off creates a debt obligation that is not authorized by the Antideficiency Act if no appropriation has been made. This includes previously scheduled paid leave. “The requirement to furlough supersedes leave and other paid time off rights,” according to OPM.

4. Your health insurance coverage will continue. Even if an agency does not make premium payments on time, employees in the Federal Employees Health Benefits (FEHB) program will be covered. Because furloughed employees enrolled in the FEHB program will be in nonpay status, the enrollee share of the FEHB premium will accumulate and be withheld from pay upon return to pay status.

5. Payments into your federal retirement plan accounts cease when you enter nonpay status. Employee contributions into the Thrift Savings Plan must come from payroll deductions, so furloughed employees cannot make payments into their plans. Agencies are also prohibited from matching contributions into their employees’ plans during this time. These contributions could be retroactively paid if Congress decides to issue back pay.

6. Your years of service toward your retirement will not be affected by a short-term government shutdown. You are allowed leave without pay for six months in a year before it would be considered a break in service.

7. You should not use any government-provided information technology, including laptops and cell phones, except to intermittently check for updates on furlough or recall (return to work) status. The Antideficiency Act prevents nonworking federal employees from performing any job-related functions during a shutdown if the government cannot pay for it.

8. You may be entitled to unemployment compensation depending on your state’s unemployment compensation requirements. Find out about the requirements in your state here.

9. You need to be careful getting a second job. You are still an employee of the federal government, therefore executive branch-wide standards of ethical conduct and rules regarding outside employment continue to apply when you are furloughed.

10. You can take action to pressure Congress to end the shutdown. Call your members of Congress using NARFE’s toll-free number, 1-800-456-8410 option 5, or send them an email by clicking here to tell them to end the shutdown and send our federal employees back to work.

Fvck #9. Just quit. And work when and where you want.
 

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Lifer
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Some information about these bullet points.

1. When the government shutdown ends, you will not necessarily get paid for the time you were furloughed. The Office of Personnel Management (OPM) has stated “Congress will determine whether furloughed employees receive pay for the furlough period.”

Congress has already passed a bill to pay furloughed employees, and Trump has said he will sign it (but as of yesterday had not yet signed it). We will get back pay when all this ends.

2. You cannot volunteer to work. The Antideficiency Act, which provides the legal rules governing government operations during a shutdown, prevents nonexcepted federal employees from performing any job-related functions during a shutdown.
As strange as it might sound to many of you a lot of federal workers would volunteer to do their job even without pay, to what extent they can economically, because we see our job as a duty to the American people. But Congress will not allow us to do so.

3. You cannot use annual leave or other paid time off instead of being furloughed.

On a personal note, I was on annual leave when the furlough started. All of it use or lose. So, despite what Kevin Hassett says I'm not better off. I choose to not take a vacation this year so I could take time off during the holidays. Sure, I don't have to be at work, but there is an opportunity cost to it. The good news to all this is that leave will be restored to me (even the use or lose part)

4. Your health insurance coverage will continue. Even if an agency does not make premium payments on time, employees in the Federal Employees Health Benefits (FEHB) program will be covered. Because furloughed employees enrolled in the FEHB program will be in nonpay status, the enrollee share of the FEHB premium will accumulate and be withheld from pay upon return to pay status.

This is only true for FEHB, BENEFEDS (vision and dental) insurance will be billed to the employee and they will need to pay the premiums themself after next week.

As for the FEHB premiums they must be paid back in the first paycheck (they come off the top of your paycheck). So, if this goes on for a few weeks more many of us will miss our first paycheck after coming back because we will owe all of it in FEHB premiums. The backpay can take a few weeks longer to be issued after we are back at work, so it will not come out of that.

8. You may be entitled to unemployment compensation depending on your state’s unemployment compensation requirements. Find out about the requirements in your state here.

It is worth stating that you are going to have to pay it all back when you get your backpay.

9. You need to be careful getting a second job. You are still an employee of the federal government, therefore executive branch-wide standards of ethical conduct and rules regarding outside employment continue to apply when you are furloughed.
Fvck #9. Just quit. And work when and where you want.

You might not be allowed to. For may of us we are barred from using the skill sets we use in our federal job in the private sector. I for example am not allowed to use my skills in a private job for 2 years after I leave federal service, to avoid 'conflict of interest' issues. The courts might not hold up 'non-compete' clauses in contracts, but this is federal law and the courts have upheld it several times.
 
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Viper1j

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Maybe if you do a lot of" wet work" for the government. But there's no reason that a Secret Service or FBI agent can't tell Trump to go fark himself and get a job as the chief of police in some small town. Likewise with people like electricians, a food inspector can become a butcher, there are jobs out there with just a little bit of difference, different enough to make that provision unenforceable.
 
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I personally will believe Trump will sign such a thing authorizing payment right after he actually signs it. Hearing that he thinks most affected workers are Democrats (and so not worthy of being paid presumably) would have me worried. I'd have my resumes going out, can't hurt.

I'd be REALLY worried if Obama ever signed a doc like that.
 

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Maybe if you do a lot of" wet work" for the government. But there's no reason that a Secret Service or FBI agent can tell Trump to go fark himself and get a job as the chief of police in some small town. Likewise with people like electricians, a food inspector can become a butcher, there are jobs out there with just a little bit of difference, different enough to make that provision unenforceable.

Sure, if you work a trade skill you can use those, the federal government is not concerned with ethics violations in plumbing. I do a knowledge based skill, pretty much anything I do in the private sector would be interfacing with the federal government, and as I said I'm barred from doing so for 2 years after I leave federal service.
 

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I personally will believe Trump will sign such a thing authorizing payment right after he actually signs it. Hearing that he thinks most affected workers are Democrats (and so not worthy of being paid presumably) would have me worried. I'd have my resumes going out, can't hurt.

I'd be REALLY worried if Obama ever signed a doc like that.

I agree. But Trump has said he will sign it, and we all know that Trump's word is his bond. Heh, oh I'm sorry, I couldn't help it.
 

Viper1j

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Sure, if you work a trade skill you can use those, the federal government is not concerned with ethics violations in plumbing. I do a knowledge based skill, pretty much anything I do in the private sector would be interfacing with the federal government, and as I said I'm barred from doing so for 2 years after I leave federal service.

Seems like refusing to pay would invalidate any contact clauses.
 

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Sure, if you work a trade skill you can use those, the federal government is not concerned with ethics violations in plumbing. I do a knowledge based skill, pretty much anything I do in the private sector would be interfacing with the federal government, and as I said I'm barred from doing so for 2 years after I leave federal service.

While my agency doesn’t have the 2 year clause as far as I’m aware, I would still have to jump through numerous legal and ethical hoops to go work in my field. Because like you most of the places I could easily jump to interface with the government.
 

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While my agency doesn’t have the 2 year clause as far as I’m aware, I would still have to jump through numerous legal and ethical hoops to go work in my field. Because like you most of the places I could easily jump to interface with the government.

Go solo, and compete against the companies. They can't make you fire yourself.

And that's how mercs are made..
 
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Seems like refusing to pay would invalidate any contact clauses.

It is not a contract, it is federal law that is intended to prevent regulators from getting jobs with the industry that they regulated as a form of kickback, unfortunately anyone that is high enough in the bureaucracy so that it would actually matter applies for, and is always granted, an exemption when asked so it only really affects the rank and file bureaucrats like myself.

Perhaps a judge would find the shutdown to be extenuating circumstances, but it would require a legal fight that I might or might not win but would certainly cost more than just riding out the shutdown.
 

Viper1j

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It is not a contract, it is federal law that is intended to prevent regulators from getting jobs with the industry that they regulated as a form of kickback, unfortunately anyone that is high enough in the bureaucracy so that it would actually matter applies for, and is always granted, an exemption when asked so it only really affects the rank and file bureaucrats like myself.

Perhaps a judge would find the shutdown to be extenuating circumstances, but it would require a legal fight that I might or might not win but would certainly cost more than just riding out the shutdown.

Don't know.. I was riding one hell of a wave back in the day as helo pilot. I made about 6 1/2 times more flying for a radio station than I did flying for Uncle Sugar.

AND no one was trying to shoot me down.
 

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It is not a contract, it is federal law that is intended to prevent regulators from getting jobs with the industry that they regulated as a form of kickback, unfortunately anyone that is high enough in the bureaucracy so that it would actually matter applies for, and is always granted, an exemption when asked so it only really affects the rank and file bureaucrats like myself.

Perhaps a judge would find the shutdown to be extenuating circumstances, but it would require a legal fight that I might or might not win but would certainly cost more than just riding out the shutdown.

So Pruitt & Zinke can hop right on the gravy train with Ajit Pai right behind them, of course. And for you, the little guys, we have cornholio.
 
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