And the rape of Iraq's natural resources begin

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skygod99

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Conjur, if youre so disgusted with the USA, why dont you just immigrate somewhere else?

All I see is negative, after negative posts, one after the other about this counrty, if it bothers you so much, just go....

This isnt meant as a personal attack, just some advice..

*EDIT* I am aware that my post count isnt huge, but I'm a big lurker.. However, that shoulnd't degrade the vaule of this post (hopefully)..
 

syzygy

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: conjur
I never said otherwise before.

And, the archives here go back quite a ways.

Sure they do but I have a life and cant spend the time to weed through your 34 posts a day.

But that is besides the point. The thread title is wrong and has nothing to do with the article you linked.


34 per day ! ! jeez. no, conjur, we are not here to indulge you. you should know where to look for your intellectual welfare. you are no mystery. your liberal-anti-america-frothing-in-the-mouth-stink is . . uh . . more than a little well-known. i hesitate to say legendary because only those masochists you frequent this board can carry your name to the lands beyond. and none are that shameless.


 

Gunslinger08

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: conjur
Where did I ever state we were stealing their oil since 2003?

And, what do the deaths of children from malnutrition have to do with the government of Iraq having plenty of money? They can be and were mutually exclusive.

I think people starving and relying on international aid gives you a good idea there wasnt as much money as you though being passed around.

Even if Saddam kept all of the money how much oil revenue did he recieve?
Is that enough providing they actually recovered it all to cover the estimated 25 billion when you tack on other infrastructure costs that have been incurred since the Iraqis have been working semi-automonously?

Is that really a valid argument either way as to why they are auctioning oil wells that will be still be controlled by the state to raise capital?

Your title is very misleading.
The title is exactly right. The oil revenues all stayed in Iraq before. Now that revenue will be going to western companies. That's raping Iraq's natural resources. It never happened before and now this war has allowed western companies to extend their reach, just like what happened in Central America in the 1980s.


How can you rape the willing? It looks to me like Iraq is auctioning the wells on an open market and receiving compensation for them.

QFT.
 

K1052

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I suppose it isn't worth noting that many European and Russian companies have already been awarded contracts in Iraq for various projects and will surely be pursuing this opportunity as well.

The conception that US oil companies are going to get a free ride in Iraq is way overblown.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
And where do you expect them to get the capitial to improve their oil facilities.

Iraq needs capital investments to develop its petroleum industry, he said, adding that the government had estimated that some 25 billion dollars in investments were required to boost oil production to 5-6 million barrels a day.
Most poorer countries in the world expect foriegn investment to help jumpstart them.

Even the G8 countries have foriegn capital helping out some of their industries.

Based on your explanation, the US inducstries must also being raped, because we have foriegn investors.
Iraq wasn't one of the poorer countries before the US invaded it. They were capable of producing and distributing oil before. What's changed? Hmmm....gee....I wonder.


It is the Iraqi insurgents and/or their fellow imported terrorists that have intenially destroyed the Iraqi infrastructure (oil/power and others).

When Saddam was in power, he was diverting the oil revenues from the Iraqi people into his own pockets and his supporters (as many here accuse Bush of doing). Saddam started doing that in '91

Iraq needs to recover and move forward, they are trying to, others are determined to stop them.

It is not just US companies that are looking to assist; there is more than enough work for many multi-national companies.

US & allies' companies were initially include in the original reconstruction efforts after the conflict ended. Those contracts were controlled by the US.

These contracts are being put out in the open for specific purposes and the article does not indicate that there is favoritism for one company/country over another.

How would this be considered rape of their resources? Without oil they have nothing, the oil needs to be pumped out and sold. Right now, their structure can not handle the demand that is being required.

They must either reduce the demand (and stay in the dark ages) or generate the revenue to support the demands needed by the country of Iraq
 

halik

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Originally posted by: conjur
11 SOUTHERN IRAQI OIL FIELDS TO GO UP FOR TENDER
http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level.php?cat=Business&loid=8.0.185260588&par=0
Baghdad, 8 July (AKI) - Eleven oil fields in southern Iraq, capable of boosting the country's production to three million barrels a day will soon be tendered to international investors, the Iraqi oil ministry announced Friday. "The ministry needs legislation which will allow it to fix international work criteria with companies that are involved in petroleum investments," said the ministry's spokesman, Asim Jihad.


"Iraq needs capital investments to develop its petroleum industry, he said, adding that the government had estimated that some 25 billion dollars in investments were required to boost oil production to 5-6 million barrels a day.

Jihad also said that the government has no intention to privatise the oil sector, but would remain under state control.


"We will seek foreign investments, that will allow us to develop our industry but without paving the way for foreign monopolies to take over," he said.

Iraq currently produces 2.2 million barrels a day - with only 1.5 million of these for export - a situation determined by the suspension of operations in the country's southern areas after sabotage attacks.
So much for Iraqi nationalism. The Propagandist destroyed that along with many other things with his illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq. I just don't see how this is going to sit well at all with the Iraqi citizenry.

But, anything to spread the new colonialism. Gotta keep those corporate donor's bottom lines nice and fat.

Say, I think we should have us a new "Modest Proposal".

are we reading the same article?
If they're any smart, they will join OPEC asap. I know i would...
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: skygod99
Conjur, if youre so disgusted with the USA, why dont you just immigrate somewhere else?

All I see is negative, after negative posts, one after the other about this counrty, if it bothers you so much, just go....

This isnt meant as a personal attack, just some advice..

*EDIT* I am aware that my post count isnt huge, but I'm a big lurker.. However, that shoulnd't degrade the vaule of this post (hopefully)..
Let me guess...another Bush-God fanboi?
 

conjur

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Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: Genx87
How can you rape the willing? It looks to me like Iraq is auctioning the wells on an open market and receiving compensation for them.
It's easy when puppets are installed to run the government.
 

KK

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: skygod99
Conjur, if youre so disgusted with the USA, why dont you just immigrate somewhere else?

All I see is negative, after negative posts, one after the other about this counrty, if it bothers you so much, just go....

This isnt meant as a personal attack, just some advice..

*EDIT* I am aware that my post count isnt huge, but I'm a big lurker.. However, that shoulnd't degrade the vaule of this post (hopefully)..
Let me guess...another Bush-God fanboi?

Let me guess, another liberal monkey.
 

skygod99

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Jun 8, 2005
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Nope, just making a 3rd party observation. However, your reply was exactly as I expected... Typical..
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Genx87
How can you rape the willing? It looks to me like Iraq is auctioning the wells on an open market and receiving compensation for them.
It's easy when puppets are installed to run the government.

Oh yes now the elections in Jan were nothing but orchestrated right?

With each post you drift further and further from reality.
 

conjur

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Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Genx87
How can you rape the willing? It looks to me like Iraq is auctioning the wells on an open market and receiving compensation for them.
It's easy when puppets are installed to run the government.
Oh yes now the elections in Jan were nothing but orchestrated right?

With each post you drift further and further from reality.
I never said that. Nope...never did. You're reaching there.

HOWEVER, the candidates put forth were certainly ensured to be as pro-US as possible. This administration certainly could not give up Iraq to a true mandate of the people. Not at this point in time. The risk of a new Iran was too great. I don't necessarily fault him for that, though.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Genx87
How can you rape the willing? It looks to me like Iraq is auctioning the wells on an open market and receiving compensation for them.
It's easy when puppets are installed to run the government.
Oh yes now the elections in Jan were nothing but orchestrated right?

With each post you drift further and further from reality.
I never said that. Nope...never did. You're reaching there.

HOWEVER, the candidates put forth were certainly ensured to be as pro-US as possible. This administration certainly could not give up Iraq to a true mandate of the people. Not at this point in time. The risk of a new Iran was too great. I don't necessarily fault him for that, though.

If the Iraqi people didnt like the candidates they didnt have to elect them.


 

conjur

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Well, yeah, duh. But the selection of candidates was ensured to be pro-US as much as possible. The gov't is still largely constructed of ex-pats who still maintain residences outside of Iraq, not people who've lived in Iraq. Hell, the interim governing council members rarely showed their faces in Iraq.
 

Moonbeam

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I think this is just a serendipitous coincidence where Bush's work on behalf of God happens to have some excellent business ramifications.

Nobody will convince me that we didn't really go there, though, to free the Iraqi people from a mad butcher.

Conjur, try to understand that your effort to suggest an alternate and false reading of what really happened would mean, if I came to conclude as you do, that I supported murder of innocent people in the name of money. And even if it were true, I would never allow myself to admit that. I have had many nightmares and can guess really well how much torture and fear is hidden inside me and have built this fine fine identity-ego of goodness that saves good people form bad people to protect me from feeling that. I would rather put you down viciously than ever face the truth about that. You will not make me see that I am what I hate.
 

TRUMPHENT

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What's new? Only that Paul Bremer gave away 8.8 Billion dollars of Iraq's money with no accountablity. Paul Wolfowitz was fond of expounding how easily Iraq's resouces would be able to finance the rebuilding of Iraq. Before the war, all of Iraq's oil belonged to Iraq. Granted, Saddam Hussein didn't manage it well but, he kept the ownership within country.

This new deal sounds like Iraq's oil minister has been hard at work. Ever hear of Ahmed Chalabi? He was inserted into Iraq by the Pentagon. Then, the Pentagon had to launch a character assassination campaign to be able to flush Chalabi down the toilet. Such are the tasks needed when you promote a convicted bank felon. Now Chalabi is guarding the henhouse.

Between the exhorbitant cost of security and the less than expected oil readily available, the Pentagon's projections have been as wrong as possible. Today, Iraq is a net petroleum importer. That's pretty sad. Now Iraq is having to pawn its crown jewels.
 
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conjur, this topic is pretty ridiculous.

First of all, the Iraq Ministry of Oil is holding this tender and earnings from it will go to Iraq.

Second of all, this sort of tender is pretty much standard practice among the Arab countries for developing their oil fields. As long as Arab countries have been pumping out oil, they still don't have any significant oil development facilities or expertise and have relied on the west for that develpment/expertise for decades. Even Saddam contracted out his oil fields to the highest bidder (Which in Saddam-speak, wasn't always the highest monetary bidder, but the country willing to do underhanded and under the table dealings with him personally).

You're shoveling dirt on a molehill dude.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: K1052
I suppose it isn't worth noting that many European and Russian companies have already been awarded contracts in Iraq for various projects and will surely be pursuing this opportunity as well.

The conception that US oil companies are going to get a free ride in Iraq is way overblown.

It wouldn't surprise me if China buys up a bunch. They have cash coming out the ying yang, so much that they are even trying to buy up major US Oil corporations.
 

james88

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: K1052
I suppose it isn't worth noting that many European and Russian companies have already been awarded contracts in Iraq for various projects and will surely be pursuing this opportunity as well.

The conception that US oil companies are going to get a free ride in Iraq is way overblown.

It wouldn't surprise me if China buys up a bunch. They have cash coming out the ying yang, so much that they are even trying to buy up major US Oil corporations.

Don't worry, red China will!! Chinese agents have infiltrated the US gov. The Iraq war was a Chinese conspiracy. After the US secure the oil fields, the Chinese will starting buying out oil corps!! Be warm, China is on a world domination mission.
 

AnyMal

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Genx87
How can you rape the willing? It looks to me like Iraq is auctioning the wells on an open market and receiving compensation for them.
It's easy when puppets are installed to run the government.
Oh yes now the elections in Jan were nothing but orchestrated right?

With each post you drift further and further from reality.
I never said that. Nope...never did. You're reaching there.

HOWEVER, the candidates put forth were certainly ensured to be as pro-US as possible. This administration certainly could not give up Iraq to a true mandate of the people. Not at this point in time. The risk of a new Iran was too great. I don't necessarily fault him for that, though.
Of course you never said that.
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Genx87
How can you rape the willing? It looks to me like Iraq is auctioning the wells on an open market and receiving compensation for them.
It's easy when puppets are installed to run the government.

Calling them puppets is not the same :roll: They are all puppets. Iraqi government ismade up of puppets. Kurds are puppets. Iraqi miltary and police who lose their lives every day are nothing but the mindless puppets. If only they had you to help them figure this out.
 

cwgannon

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: conjur
11 SOUTHERN IRAQI OIL FIELDS TO GO UP FOR TENDER
http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level.php?cat=Business&loid=8.0.185260588&par=0
Baghdad, 8 July (AKI) - Eleven oil fields in southern Iraq, capable of boosting the country's production to three million barrels a day will soon be tendered to international investors, the Iraqi oil ministry announced Friday. "The ministry needs legislation which will allow it to fix international work criteria with companies that are involved in petroleum investments," said the ministry's spokesman, Asim Jihad.


"Iraq needs capital investments to develop its petroleum industry, he said, adding that the government had estimated that some 25 billion dollars in investments were required to boost oil production to 5-6 million barrels a day.

Jihad also said that the government has no intention to privatise the oil sector, but would remain under state control.

"We will seek foreign investments, that will allow us to develop our industry but without paving the way for foreign monopolies to take over," he said.

Iraq currently produces 2.2 million barrels a day - with only 1.5 million of these for export - a situation determined by the suspension of operations in the country's southern areas after sabotage attacks.
So much for Iraqi nationalism. The Propagandist destroyed that along with many other things with his illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq. I just don't see how this is going to sit well at all with the Iraqi citizenry.

But, anything to spread the new colonialism. Gotta keep those corporate donor's bottom lines nice and fat.

Say, I think we should have us a new "Modest Proposal".


Oh I thought we have been raping Iraq since April of 2003?

Oh, no.

We began raping Iraq on March the 20th, 2003.
 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: conjur
11 SOUTHERN IRAQI OIL FIELDS TO GO UP FOR TENDER
http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level.php?cat=Business&loid=8.0.185260588&par=0
Baghdad, 8 July (AKI) - Eleven oil fields in southern Iraq, capable of boosting the country's production to three million barrels a day will soon be tendered to international investors, the Iraqi oil ministry announced Friday. "The ministry needs legislation which will allow it to fix international work criteria with companies that are involved in petroleum investments," said the ministry's spokesman, Asim Jihad.


"Iraq needs capital investments to develop its petroleum industry, he said, adding that the government had estimated that some 25 billion dollars in investments were required to boost oil production to 5-6 million barrels a day.

Jihad also said that the government has no intention to privatise the oil sector, but would remain under state control.

"We will seek foreign investments, that will allow us to develop our industry but without paving the way for foreign monopolies to take over," he said.

Iraq currently produces 2.2 million barrels a day - with only 1.5 million of these for export - a situation determined by the suspension of operations in the country's southern areas after sabotage attacks.
So much for Iraqi nationalism. The Propagandist destroyed that along with many other things with his illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq. I just don't see how this is going to sit well at all with the Iraqi citizenry.

But, anything to spread the new colonialism. Gotta keep those corporate donor's bottom lines nice and fat.

Say, I think we should have us a new "Modest Proposal".

And "Oil for Food" was what? Oh, I'm sorry. That was the Eurolibs and they are so rightous.

 

conjur

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A completely different animal. Although, you know that but you just enjoy trolling.


Go find some Switftboat forum and slum around with your kind.
 
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