I have asked it once in this thread and I will ask again:
Who would you take over Luck other than Rodgers starting out a franchise?
I have asked it once in this thread and I will ask again:
Who would you take over Luck other than Rodgers starting out a franchise?
eits, I have to amend my comment earlier.
http://www.nfl.com/schedules/2013/REG/COLTS
The Colts beat the top 3 teams in the NFL last year: The Seahawks, the Niners, and the Broncos.
I forgot about that.
They also scraped the floor with the Chiefs before heading into the playoffs, then did it again coming back from 30 some points with less than a half to go.
Andrew Luck plays some shit schedules.
I have asked it once in this thread and I will ask again:
Who would you take over Luck other than Rodgers starting out a franchise?
"Any given Sunday"... Some Sundays, key defensive players are injured and the football gods smile upon you. The Redskins beat the Cowboys and the Eagles this year... Does that mean anything significant about RG3 or Colt McCoy?
At the time, the Broncos defense was quite good. It faded at the end. And regardless, I notice you keep moving the goal posts. The fact is, the Colts beat the best teams they played last year and it was mainly due to Luck.To address your stats about Luck beating the 49ers, Seahawks, and Broncos:
Week 3 against the 49ers, Luck threw 17/29 for 159 yards and 0 TD.
Week 5 against the Seahawks, Luck threw 16/29 for 229 and 2 TD.
Week 7 against the Broncos (one of the worst defenses in the league), the Colts' leading rusher was Richardson with 37 yards. Luck threw 21/38 for 228 and 3 TD, which was about average for anyone playing the Broncos secondary.
You clearly have no knowledge of quarterbacking. Please, just stop. RGIII's "accuracy" was due to dumbing down the playbook and throwing short and intermediate passes. Want to guess who leads the league in deep passes?He is really good at coming from behind in crunch time, most of the time (not tonight, unfortunately). However, to call him the next great quarterback or the next Peyton Manning or the next Aaron Rodgers is a bit premature and that makes him overrated. He doesn't have accuracy for shit and he has easy as hell schedules. He can't accurately be praised for his performances overall when he's playing horrible defenses for the most part. He has some decent arm strength and great decisiveness under stress, when the game is on the line, but he lacks agility, speed, and accuracy. If he can just get his accuracy under control, he would be MUCH better and worthy of better praise.
He was overhyped coming out. I do NOT blame the Redskins for drafting him -- after all, they had no shot at Luck. I DO, however, think they paid way too much for him and got ripped off. RGIII was worth 1 draft pick -- not several first round picks and whatever the other pick (2nd or 3rd, can't remember) was. The Rams took all those picks and turned them into 6 different players. If paying 6 players for someone like RGIII isn't overrated, then the word has no meaning.As for RG3, he wasn't overrated in 2012. He was overrated after the injury.
Back track much? You said Russell Wilson was going to flop.Russell Wilson is a beast. He's a product of proper prehab, proper training, proper coaching, and natural talent and ability. The Seahawks do things right by their players and he is a well-tuned machine.
Luck was always better than RGIII and was always going to be better than RGIII. Anyone with two eyes and a brain could see this. If he is lucky, RGIII will quit being a crybaby and listen to coaches and salvage a solid career.As of now and how he plays, Andrew Luck is overrated. His accuracy is as bad as his neckbeard. He gets wins because of the weak defenses he plays and because he's good when he feels a sense of urgency.
If Luck had a half-decent team behind him he would be near-unstoppable.
RGIII couldn't beat Tampa. And speaking of WEAK defenses -- you do know that both the Cowboys and Eagles passing defenses are currently #23 and #25 in the NFL, right? Below the passing defenses of Jacksonville and Tennessee and on par with Houston's passing defense? Tampa's passing defense is even worse!
At the time, the Broncos defense was quite good. It faded at the end. And regardless, I notice you keep moving the goal posts. The fact is, the Colts beat the best teams they played last year and it was mainly due to Luck.
Also looking at pass defense rankings from last year, Seattle was #1 (Colts beat them), Houston was #3 (Colts beat them twice), 49ers were #7 (Colts beat them), Tennessee was #11 (Colts beat them twice), and Cincy was #5 (the Colts lost but Luck had a fabulous game -- his second best of the year in terms of rating, second in yards, and first in TDs). In fact, Luck's game against Seattle was his third best of the year in terms of rating.
You clearly have no knowledge of quarterbacking. Please, just stop. RGIII's "accuracy" was due to dumbing down the playbook and throwing short and intermediate passes. Want to guess who leads the league in deep passes?
And of course to anoint him as the next PFM is premature. No one is saying that. But you compared RGIII to Steve Young, which was not only premature, but completely and totally wrong. Their styles are completely different.
He was overhyped coming out. I do NOT blame the Redskins for drafting him -- after all, they had no shot at Luck. I DO, however, think they paid way too much for him and got ripped off. RGIII was worth 1 draft pick -- not several first round picks and whatever the other pick (2nd or 3rd, can't remember) was. The Rams took all those picks and turned them into 6 different players. If paying 6 players for someone like RGIII isn't overrated, then the word has no meaning.
IIRC you were also one of the fools who said you'd take RGIII over Luck. You clearly lack QB knowledge.
Back track much? You said Russell Wilson was going to flop.
Luck was always better than RGIII and was always going to be better than RGIII. Anyone with two eyes and a brain could see this. If he is lucky, RGIII will quit being a crybaby and listen to coaches and salvage a solid career.
who the fuck cares what I said about Wilson? If I said he was going to flop, I was obviously wrong. changing your opinion or admitting whenever you were wrong about an opinion doesn't mean you're backtracking. It isn't against the rules.
for you to tell me that I have no quarterback and knowledge is hilarious to me, considering how I trained athletes entrain proper biomechanics for various sports and positions, including football, including quarterbacks.
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I'm a Redskins fan, and I want RG3 not to suck. But he does suck. Maybe it's not an inherent thing, and he just needs to go somewhere else and play under a hardass coach that will beat some sense into him, but he is fucking horrible in Washington. I don't want him to be--but he is. That's a fact.
This is why I'm glad that I'm not a superfan. Such things invade a person's brain and blocks any kind of common sense. You say very stupid things that might make sense in such tunnel vision, but it looks really dumb to everyone else that doesn't hang out in that same tunnel. I used to be this way in college, and with my team (NC State), but I got better. At some point, you just have to accept some simple truths about sports:
--the refs are not out to get my team
--there is no such thing as a curse
--maybe my favorite organization is just run god damn poorly? Hmm...
I became very annoyed with myself--how my blood pressure would go nuts, I couldn't sleep, or would get depressed and anxious after devastating losses. That shit just isn't normal. I feel it is a sickness. It also helps that my beloved teams are perennial scrubs: NC State, Mets, Skins, Cubs, Knicks (I hate the NBA in general now, so I could give two shits about that), so it's easier for me to just enjoy the various games for the sport of it.
Redskins fans bashed me when I derided them for paying the price they paid for RGIII (though I did say it was a bold move), and Cardinals fans bashed me when I derided them for the price they paid for Kolb. Off the top of my head I can't think of any instance in the last 10 or 15 years where giving up a King's ransom for a QB ever worked out. It didn't work for the Falcons (IIRC, the Chargers drafted Tomlinson and a couple of others with those picks and still drafted Brees), it didn't work for the Cards, and it likely won't work for the Redskins. Even if I thought RGIII was the best QB in history, the Redskins suck and he needs to be on another team moving forward. You guys can't get rid of Snyder and that's why the Redskins are doomed.
you keep missing the fact that he was injured. I don't think that you understand how rehab works, or how it should work, so I will ignore anything that you have to say whatever it comes to RG3 coming back right after an injury with a bonehead owner and the worst trainers in the NFL.
Keep talking. Time will tell.
you keep making the mistake of thinking that rg3 is worthless. he isn't. he's just being squandered. he's got a horrible training staff and he isn't being used to his fullest potential. with proper training, he'd be better than russell wilson, but he isn't there. the injuries have really set him back.
Really? So you've discussed this with the Redskins trainers and know this?there's a difference between rehabbing a body part and rehabbing the way you play because of the rehab on the body part. for example, his ankle... he rehabbed his ankle, but he hadn't done anything to incorporate that ankle back into his normal biomechanical rhythm before he came back to play, which is part of why he was so awful.
Really? So you've discussed this with the Redskins trainers and know this?the layperson thinks, "oh, wow, he just sucks... let's move on and forget rg3 happened." the biomechanical expert will look at him and say, "he's is being rushed back to play before he's fully ready and capable simply because his ankle is all better." when you have an injury, you learn altered motor patterns, which throw everything off... you need to ensure those motor patterns are back to normal or conditioned before sending a star player out again, or else you'll end up with another injury.
Off the top of my head I can't think of any instance in the last 10 or 15 years where giving up a King's ransom for a QB ever worked out.
Depending on how you define "kings ransom" it worked out for the Giants trading for the rights to draft Goober Manning. He's not an elite QB but did win them 2 Super Bowls.
Yeah, that's fair -- I didn't remember the Giants also giving up 3 draft picks, one of which was a #1 pick, for Manning. I thought it was Manning for Rivers with like a second-round pick thrown in.
Yeah, that's fair -- I didn't remember the Giants also giving up 3 draft picks, one of which was a #1 pick, for Manning. I thought it was Manning for Rivers with like a second-round pick thrown in.
The Giants GM at the time was the guy who drafted Elway and was forced to trade him to Denver. He was convinced Eli was elite like Elway. While he was wrong on that count, it did work out pretty well for the Giants.
Still basically proves the point that trading up for a QB at the very top of the draft is a bad idea. The only times it works out is when the player in question basically refuses to play for the top team (Eli, John Elway) and forces a trade to another team.
It was a 3rd round, and a 1st and fifth round pick. Not huge, but not meaningless. That first rounder was a 12th round pick (and ended up being the pick before DeMarcus Ware). Shawne Merriman wasn't a huge score for them.
Tony Romo that for the better part of his career has choked makes more than that in a game..
Merriman was a beast until he tore up his knee and refused to listen to his trainers and doctors and ruined it.