Andrew Luck vs RG3

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eits

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This season was actually harder than last season as far as SOS for RG3. Again, it goes back to the training and injuries afflicting the team, RG3 included.
 

Muse

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football intelligence != book smart intelligence.

luck CLEARLY has vastly superior football intelligence than RG3.
Russell Wilson has that kind of intelligence too. Luck had a bad game a couple of weeks ago, Wilson has had stretches when he wasn't so hot. If they stay healthy, they're both going to be among the league's most successful QB's.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Kind of unrelated, but it IS the holiday season -- here is what Andrew Luck was doing the day after the Colts were destroyed (against Dallas) in one of the worst Colts games I can remember:



He and several Colts went to the Riley Hospital for Children and went around singing Christmas Carols and meeting very, very sick kids.

 

brainhulk

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Kind of unrelated, but it IS the holiday season -- here is what Andrew Luck was doing the day after the Colts were destroyed (against Dallas) in one of the worst Colts games I can remember:



He and several Colts went to the Riley Hospital for Children and went around singing Christmas Carols and meeting very, very sick kids.


Awwww, makes you feel all warm and fuzzy. That's great they are doing that. I bet RG3 was doing the same too
 

eits

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Kind of unrelated, but it IS the holiday season -- here is what Andrew Luck was doing the day after the Colts were destroyed (against Dallas) in one of the worst Colts games I can remember:



He and several Colts went to the Riley Hospital for Children and went around singing Christmas Carols and meeting very, very sick kids.


No doubt he's a genuinely good guy. Anytime someone makes a great play on him or they get a sack, he gives them props and tells them they're doing a great job lol
 

MagickMan

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It's funny that you sat that, because I think Andrew Luck is just like Matt Stafford.

That's just stupid. :\ Luck's a future Hall of Famer, provided he doesn't get mangled, Stafford is "just" an above average NFL QB who better get several SB rings if he has any hope of making the HoF.
 

IndyColtsFan

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No doubt he's a genuinely good guy. Anytime someone makes a great play on him or they get a sack, he gives them props and tells them they're doing a great job lol

We have one children's hospital in Indy named for Peyton Manning. Maybe they'll rename Riley to the Andrew Luck Children's Hospital? Or maybe at least a wing of it.
 

PimpJuice

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Currently, without question. You can't say it for sure, though, because neither of them have shown you what they're fully capable of. So, for now, absolutely, Luck is better than RG3, without a doubt. I'm interested in seeing how it all plays out, though.

Luck is not as good as he is given credit for, yet. That's why I say he's overrated. He hasn't shown you what he can or can't do; give him an average to hard schedule and then see what's up.

RG3 needs better coaching and trainers. No one on the Redskins has shown great coaching and training... Does that mean everyone on the Redskins is a bum? No, it means that they coaching and training staff blows goats and there must invest in quality trainers and coaches if they expect to win and keep players healthy.

this post is hilarious. You know who else hasn't shown what they're fully capable of? me. I guess that means I could be better than Luck and RG3 as well. Dude, if you're argument is "neither of them have shown you what they're fully capable of" then you've already lost. How do you know they haven't shown what they're capable of?

RG3s best is behind him. His rookie season with a dumbed down playbook will be the best season he ever has. The guy has terrible throwing fundamentals and always has. You can blame coaching all you want, but you also have to BE COACHABLE.
 

PimpJuice

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"having been there and being a former doctor to a couple of the players and former official chiropractor and physical therapy provider to the redskins, i have some first-hand knowledge"

Why would you be a doctor to a couple of the players? You're just a chiropractor, why would they come to you for medical advice when they have actual doctors on staff? Also, why are you a "former" doctor and "former official chiropractor"? If you say the teams trainers and doctors are terrible, why did they get rid of you? Are you sure you aren't just bitter that they got rid of you? Not that I believe any of it regardless.

After this thread of yours, I would like to call for a new official ATOT chiropractor and think you should remove the title from your signature.

Also, I wouldn't have responded if I got called out on my bluffs either. Good move.
 
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"having been there and being a former doctor to a couple of the players and former official chiropractor and physical therapy provider to the redskins, i have some first-hand knowledge"

Why would you be a doctor to a couple of the players? You're just a chiropractor, why would they come to you for medical advice when they have actual doctors on staff? Also, why are you a "former" doctor and "former official chiropractor"? If you say the teams trainers and doctors are terrible, why did they get rid of you? Are you sure you aren't just bitter that they got rid of you? Not that I believe any of it regardless.

After this thread of yours, I would like to call for a new official ATOT chiropractor and think you should remove the title from your signature.

Wait, eits is claiming he was the official chiro and physical therapist for the Redskins? Holy shit, seriously? That certainly helps explain his ridiculous posts with regards to this.

This could be all time best self-ownage, I don't think we've seen anyone (not even Alkemyst or PAB) make such epic claims.

Hell him claiming he's a doctor could outright be illegal can't it? As far as I know he never actually received such accreditation. I wonder what the state/county/city he's operating in might think of him making claims without the proper credentials. Of course, maybe eits will be willing to provide evidence to support such claims?

Hmm I wonder what contacting the Redskins about his claims might provide?
 

IndyColtsFan

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This thread delivers! If it isn't voted the winner of the self-ownage award, I think the award needs to be eliminated.
 

PimpJuice

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lol, you have no idea what you're talking about.

these commentators, former players, coaches, etc. have been saying that rg3 has talent and potential and he's just not there yet. secondly, i have more knowledge when it comes to rehab than the trainers at redskins park... having been there and being a former doctor to a couple of the players and former official chiropractor and physical therapy provider to the redskins, i have some first-hand knowledge.

fundamentals, like footwork, is tied to his core stability, which was weak. pocket presence, however, is something he has developed but still can't trust with a sorry excuse for an offensive line... every quarterback who started ended up learning the lesson not to trust the offensive line, whether it was rg3, mccoy, or cousins. it isn't because they all suck, it's because if you can't trust the pocket, you don't have mental clarity to know who to throw to because you're constantly watching your back and your line.

until the offensive line gets figured out and rg3 plays a complete season, i don't feel it's fair to declare him a bust. if he stays healthy and the offensive line improves and he still gets sacked a lot and has bad footwork, THEN i'll be fine with calling him a bust. his footwork and release has improved significantly, though, so he's clearly learning from his mistakes.

gray cook and greg rose both told me, when they did the fms on him after his knee was rehabbed, that he scored close to perfect and should have no problem being developed back to his normal playing for. unfortunately, rg3 wasn't there mentally... he was still shellshocked from the knee injury and wasn't fully ready to return.

the trainers should be focusing on rg3's core stability, cross-crawl patters, and stabilizing his genu valgus collapse with some lateral mobility/glute medius training. they aren't however. instead, they've got him lifting weights, which does next to nothing for him, and they have him lifting incorrectly, i might add.

i'm not arguing that rg3 is awesome. i'm arguing that rg3 has loads of potential that isn't being tapped into. if you have an investment on a player like him, you have to protect and develop it properly. well, the redskins are not. i've written letter after letter to dan snyder to get new atc's and better physical therapists... didn't get any response.

i'm not arguing that andrew luck sucks. i'm arguing that andrew luck is overrated. his pocket presence and mechanics are good and he's got solid core stability, but he doesn't have accuracy and he hasn't had a difficult schedule in the nfl yet. does that mean he sucks? no. it means he's overrated. does he have potential? yes.

russell wilson has it all, so far. his team and trainers have tapped into russell wilson's potential. the seahawks are a disciplined team who prehabs and even gets players to see sports psychologists in order to get them into an optimal mental space when they go out and play. whatever negative things i may have said about him in the past (which i don't remember if i did or didn't, i'm just going off of what andrew luck's jock strap, indycoltsfan, said), i was wrong about that. he's awesome.

i just believe that rg3 can be the same type of player that russell wilson, except faster and with a stronger arm, so long as he has trainers and coaches who will develop him to get to that form. it's the reason why i really, really want darrell bevell as the head coach in washington.

yes, yes he did.
 
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That's really weird because this guy has been the "Team Chiropractor for the NFL’s Washington Redskins" since 2010. And according to their website, this guy "is entering his sixth season with the Redskins as the team’s Physical Therapist/Assistant Athletic Trainer in 2013."

Yet eits was living somewhere near St. Louis and then moved to Maryland in 2013.

Now this is just some simple digging around (literally all of 5 minutes), so I'd love for some extra clarification from eits on the inconsistencies. No doubt the information on both of those guys is outdated and eits was their successors, until him and the team...parted ways for some reason?
 

brainhulk

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I subbed in RG3 for Peyton Manning and he won me the Fantasy Football championship!!



That means RG3 is the winnar in this thread
 

glenn1

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I subbed in RG3 for Peyton Manning and he won me the Fantasy Football championship!!

That means RG3 is the winnar in this thread

Congrats on winning but WTF were you thinking making that move? Your opponent must have been like this:

 

brainhulk

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Congrats on winning but WTF were you thinking making that move? Your opponent must have been like this:


PFM had been fairly bad the last couple of weeks. I think broncos are purposely playing conservatively so they don't show too much before the playoffs. They can do that with cj Anderson showing his version of beastmode. RG3 has been playing better and he was playing for a starting spot next year. I actually had Romo and dropped him for RG3, thinking dallas would sit him since they clinched. I need tell the commish it is really stupid to go all the way to week 17

Definitely a gamble i thought to myself i must be crazy, but it worked. LoL
 
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zinfamous

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PFM had been fairly bad the last couple of weeks. I think broncos are purposely playing conservatively so they don't show too much before the playoffs. They can do that with cj Anderson showing his version of beastmode. RG3 has been playing better and he was playing for a starting spot next year. I actually had Romo and dropped him for RG3, thinking dallas would sit him since they clinched. I need tell the commish it is really stupid to go all the way to week 17

Definitely a gamble i thought to myself i must be crazy, but it worked. LoL

yeah, PFM has been turrible lately.

also--wtf with the championship this weekend? Ours is week 15. The final two weeks--especially week 17--are just bad news for your studs.
 
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