Andrew Luck vs RG3

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Pulsar

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That's really weird because this guy has been the "Team Chiropractor for the NFL’s Washington Redskins" since 2010. And according to their website, this guy "is entering his sixth season with the Redskins as the team’s Physical Therapist/Assistant Athletic Trainer in 2013."

Yet eits was living somewhere near St. Louis and then moved to Maryland in 2013.

Now this is just some simple digging around (literally all of 5 minutes), so I'd love for some extra clarification from eits on the inconsistencies. No doubt the information on both of those guys is outdated and eits was their successors, until him and the team...parted ways for some reason?

*snicker*
 

eits

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That's really weird because this guy has been the "Team Chiropractor for the NFL’s Washington Redskins" since 2010. And according to their website, this guy "is entering his sixth season with the Redskins as the team’s Physical Therapist/Assistant Athletic Trainer in 2013."

Yet eits was living somewhere near St. Louis and then moved to Maryland in 2013.

Now this is just some simple digging around (literally all of 5 minutes), so I'd love for some extra clarification from eits on the inconsistencies. No doubt the information on both of those guys is outdated and eits was their successors, until him and the team...parted ways for some reason?

1, (edit) when i said i was one of the official chiro and pt providers for the redskins, it was an error. it should have said redskins cheerleaders. i apologize about that. however, i have treated a couple redskins players.

2, i thought i'd said i was one of the official team chiropractors and physical therapy providers for the redskins cheerleaders. i'm using a small, logitech wireless keyboard which has cramped keys. sometimes, when i go to punctuate to end the sentence, i accidentally hit a combination of keys and somehow highlight the word i had just typed and hit period. i'm assuming that's what happened in this case (my main computer is hooked up to the projector in my basement for movies and such... when i typed this, i can tell i was using my computer rather than my phone because nothing's capitalized).

3, the redskins athletic training staff is atrocious and has been for years now. i'm praying a few of those guys get fired.

4, i grew up in the dc area, went to school and practiced in st. louis, then moved back to the dc area in 2013 and worked at a chiro/pt clinic (official chiro/pt providers for the redskins cheerleaders). i opened my own clinic in september of 2014.
 
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eits

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Oh, undoubtedly.

honestly, i have no reason to lie.

i have treated two redskins players; i can't tell you which. i also have treated a few professional soccer players, both men and women, as well as internationally ranked crossfit athletes.

redskins park is in richmond, va, about 3 hrs south of where i live, and allow the public to tour, watch, and ask questions to the players during certain times. most of the trainers don't talk to the public, and if you have credentials, they'll show you the training facility and weight room (at least that was the experience i had... not sure if that's commonplace).
 

eits

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Still feel this way?

i'll let you know in 2015 when i've seen enough. so far, rg3 hasn't been healthy enough to play a full season in a comfortable offense and andrew luck hasn't played a difficult schedule.

i still think rg3 is a far more accurate and stronger passer than luck. i just think that the colts have a far better organization than the redskins and have a better offensive line with a better offensive coordinator and andrew luck makes better decisions than rg3 does when it comes to targets. why that is an how that's changed, i speculate that it's because he is in his own head and doubts himself ever since his injuries... either that or he distrusts his offensive line and can't think clearly when his mind is constantly on the anticipation of getting hit or sacked and keeping an eye on potential escape routes rather than the play and who to throw to down field.

andrew luck makes better decisions... he's not under as much stress, in general, as rg3. however, he's not as accurate on his passes.

i was clearly wrong about russell wilson. when i'm wrong about something, i have no problem with admitting it. when i'm wrong about andrew luck, i'll let you know. until then, i have no idea how in the world you guys can justify your mancrush on him when he hasn't proven himself... yet, somehow, you guys wanna lump him in the same conversation as peyton, rodgers, and brady and you can't. those guys have had hard strengths of schedules in difficult divisions (just a reminder of who is in the same division as the colts... titans, jaguars, and texans) and have won. conversely, when i'm wrong about rg3's potential, i'll let you know that, too.
 

purbeast0

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this thread is like a membership to the jelly of the month club.

it's the gift that keeps on giving.

 

purbeast0

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1, (edit) when i said i was one of the official chiro and pt providers for the redskins, it was an error. it should have said redskins cheerleaders. i apologize about that. however, i have treated a couple redskins players.

2, i thought i'd said i was one of the official team chiropractors and physical therapy providers for the redskins cheerleaders. i'm using a small, logitech wireless keyboard which has cramped keys. sometimes, when i go to punctuate to end the sentence, i accidentally hit a combination of keys and somehow highlight the word i had just typed and hit period. i'm assuming that's what happened in this case (my main computer is hooked up to the projector in my basement for movies and such... when i typed this, i can tell i was using my computer rather than my phone because nothing's capitalized).

3, the redskins athletic training staff is atrocious and has been for years now. i'm praying a few of those guys get fired.

4, i grew up in the dc area, went to school and practiced in st. louis, then moved back to the dc area in 2013 and worked at a chiro/pt clinic (official chiro/pt providers for the redskins cheerleaders). i opened my own clinic in september of 2014.

quoted so he can't edit it.
 

purbeast0

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honestly, i have no reason to lie.

i have treated two redskins players; i can't tell you which. i also have treated a few professional soccer players, both men and women, as well as internationally ranked crossfit athletes.

redskins park is in richmond, va, about 3 hrs south of where i live, and allow the public to tour, watch, and ask questions to the players during certain times. most of the trainers don't talk to the public, and if you have credentials, they'll show you the training facility and weight room (at least that was the experience i had... not sure if that's commonplace).

no actually, redskins park is in ashburn, va, and that is where they practice and it's not open to the public at all during practice and the regular season, and the media has very limited access.

they do training camp down in richmond. and training camp is open to the public. it's for a couple weeks before preseason even starts. anybody can go down there and ask questions and take videos and get autorgraphs. anyone can go ask "athletic trainer" questions at richmond during training camp.

this thread is such a trainwreck.
 

eits

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no actually, redskins park is in ashburn, va, and that is where they practice and it's not open to the public at all during practice and the regular season, and the media has very limited access.

they do training camp down in richmond. and training camp is open to the public. it's for a couple weeks before preseason even starts. anybody can go down there and ask questions and take videos and get autorgraphs. anyone can go ask "athletic trainer" questions at richmond during training camp.

this thread is such a trainwreck.

sorry, i meant the training facility, not the practice bubble.

and, yeah, anyone can talk to the athletic trainers, but not many people do... everyone's busy talking with the players. according to what i heard, general public isn't allowed in the weight room and rehab areas. i don't know if that policy has changed. i guess the trainer i talked to was excited to have someone make him feel important by asking questions and wanting to geek out on the rehab equipment and weight room.
 

eits

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I have to ask ... what exactly are you looking at to draw this conclusion?


2014 stats don't really count because rg3 has only started 7 games this season and played in 9. his completion rating is 68.7% and has thrown 6 interceptions.

luck's accuracy this season was 61.7% with 16 interceptions, but he's played in all 16 games. luck has definitely developed each year and he is accurate with his long passes, but overall, he isn't that accurate.

anyway, that's part of why i said i'd like to see what 2015 brings. the only real accuracy numbers that can be extrapolated are from 2012, when both quarterbacks were healthy. rg3 had the 4th best accuracy in the nfl. however, he's had a major injury between now an then, psychologically he's weaker because of it, and he's got a whole new offense than before with less protection. but, again, that's 2012... this is 2015. let's see how things go in 2015 and we can discuss it all then. i'd be more than happy to admit i was wrong if i am.
 

etrigan420

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also, i'm still not sure why a few of you are giving me such grief over my opinion. seriously, how does my opinion on this affect you in any way?

Because most peoples opinions have at least some fleeting ties to reality. :|

- You said that RGIII was going to be better than Luck.

- By any standard measure, he isn't...

- Like...not even close.

- You could have amended your prediction, or simply admitted defeat and bowed out.

- Instead, you doubled down on retard.

The whole "well, technically I was the Chiropractor for one of the ***skins football players cousins sons pee wee football coach's parakeet" just adds dimension. A veritable "icing on the cake of your ownage", if you will.

Is RGIII a total bust? I think so, but that's just my opinion. He may come back and have a few good back up years still ahead of him.
 

eits

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Because most peoples opinions have at least some fleeting ties to reality. :|

- You said that RGIII was going to be better than Luck.

- By any standard measure, he isn't...

- Like...not even close.

- You could have amended your prediction, or simply admitted defeat and bowed out.

- Instead, you doubled down on retard.

The whole "well, technically I was the Chiropractor for one of the ***skins football players cousins sons pee wee football coach's parakeet" just adds dimension. A veritable "icing on the cake of your ownage", if you will.

Is RGIII a total bust? I think so, but that's just my opinion. He may come back and have a few good back up years still ahead of him.

Wait, so, you're saying that my opinion somehow has fleeting ties to your reality? I'm confused as to why you give such a shit about my opinion...

Football player's son's coach's parakeet? What? How did you get that out of me treating two actual Redskins football players?

You can think RG3 is a bust if you want. That's fine. Personally, I think its too soon to judge his ability, same with Andrew Luck. I think RG3 is currently underrated because the team is such a disaster and he's been mismanaged as far as his rehab and coaching is concerned. I think Luck is lucky to play for a team with a super easy division to win year after year after year as well as having one of the easiest strengths of schedules in football. So, until he can play legit defenses routinely and beat them, I will consider him overrated.

I did say RG3 was going to be better than Luck. Prior to RG3's injury, he was. Now, he is not.

Let's see what happens when he gets an offensive line, better defense, and the offensive coordinator can coke up with a better playbook.
 

Captante

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You can think RG3 is a bust if you want. That's fine. Personally, I think its too soon to judge his ability, same with Andrew Luck.


While I'll admit that almost anything is possible I'll be shocked if RG3's numbers go anywhere but down in 2015. I'll be equally shocked if Luck's don't improve quite a bit, however if I'm proven wrong I'll give credit where its due.

In my 40+ years of watching football I've yet to see a run-first QB achieve any lasting success in the NFL and I seriously doubt RG3 will be the one to change that. Frankly I'd take Cam Newton over him in a second (never mind Luck or Wilson) and I have my doubts about him holding up long-term as well.


Edit: Thinking it over the most successful running NFL QB I can recall would be Randall Cunningham, a player I feel never got the credit he was due. The thing about Cunningham was that he was pretty damn tough which is something RG3 just doesn't seem to be.
 
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jpiniero

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RG3 I believe has one more year on his rookie deal, so he may get one final shot next season. Maybe. It's possible that he gets cut from the Skins and if that happens we may never see him again.
 

IndyColtsFan

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i still think rg3 is a far more accurate and stronger passer than luck.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Oh my god, that is hilarious.

2014 stats don't really count because rg3 has only started 7 games this season and played in 9. his completion rating is 68.7% and has thrown 6 interceptions.

luck's accuracy this season was 61.7% with 16 interceptions, but he's played in all 16 games. luck has definitely developed each year and he is accurate with his long passes, but overall, he isn't that accurate.

anyway, that's part of why i said i'd like to see what 2015 brings. the only real accuracy numbers that can be extrapolated are from 2012, when both quarterbacks were healthy. rg3 had the 4th best accuracy in the nfl. however, he's had a major injury between now an then, psychologically he's weaker because of it, and he's got a whole new offense than before with less protection. but, again, that's 2012... this is 2015. let's see how things go in 2015 and we can discuss it all then. i'd be more than happy to admit i was wrong if i am.

In 2012, RG3 played in an offense with a dumbed-down playbook full of read options and short throws. Luck has played in a real NFL offense with the playbook wide open the entire time. That's the ONLY reason RG3 had a good year in 2012.

I did say RG3 was going to be better than Luck. Prior to RG3's injury, he was. Now, he is not.

It is funny that when you talk about Luck's success, you throw out a bunch of qualifiers but conveniently ignore the same when RG3's success is mentioned. Like, for example, the dumbed-down playbook and the fact that the NFC East was very weak in 2012. You conveniently forget that the Texans were the best team in the AFC in 2012 until the final weeks of the season, when the Colts (WITH Luck) knocked them out of homefield advantage for the playoffs.
 
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Captante

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RG3 I believe has one more year on his rookie deal, so he may get one final shot next season. Maybe. It's possible that he gets cut from the Skins and if that happens we may never see him again.


I do believe he has potential as a backup assuming he can learn how to stay in the pocket and pass first. If not I predict he'll be seriously injured again within 3-4 games and his NFL career will be over.
 
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IndyColtsFan

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While I'll admit that almost anything is possible I'll be shocked if RG3's numbers go anywhere but down in 2015. I'll be equally shocked if Luck's don't improve quite a bit, however if I'm proven wrong I'll give credit where its due.

In my 40+ years of watching football I've yet to see a run-first QB achieve any lasting success in the NFL and I seriously doubt RG3 will be the one to change that. Frankly I'd take Cam Newton over him in a second (never mind Luck or Wilson) and I have my doubts about him holding up long-term as well.


Edit: Thinking it over the most successful running NFL QB I can recall would be Randall Cunningham, a player I feel never got the credit he was due. The thing about Cunningham was that he was pretty damn tough which is something RG3 just doesn't seem to be.

That's actually the funniest thing about this whole debate -- back in 2012, eits and other Redskins fans bashed me when I said RG3 was a running QB despite the fact that EVERY SINGLE STATISTICAL COMPARISON backed me up. IIRC, RG3's rush attempts that year were in line with *career highs* for QBs like Vick and Cunningham, but the delusional RG3 fans told me that didn't matter and RG3 only ran "when he absolutely had to." They still clung to this belief after I mentioned that I had watched a couple of RG3's games and there were tons and tons of designed run plays (ie, read options). Some, like zinfamous, admitted I was right. Why? Because I WAS right -- 100% correct. People think I hate RG3 -- I don't. I'd like for him to succeed but I am realistic and watch actual games with a critical eye and know the difference between designed QB runs and "running when he absolutely has to!"

The very notion that RG3 is a better passer than Luck is outlandish. Just watch film of the two operating from the pocket and it is no contest as to who the better QB is.
 
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Captante

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The very notion that RG3 is a better passer than Luck is outlandish. Just watch film of the two operating from the pocket and it is no contest as to who the better QB is.


Hence my honest question regarding what he was using to back up his opinion.


His main argument seems to be that the Colts are a much better team overall then the Redskins but the reality is that aside from the QB the teams are pretty close and the difference is all Luck. Without him the Colts are a mediocre team at best. (no offense intended ... they had a lot better year then my Giants!)
 

IndyColtsFan

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His main argument seems to be that the Colts are a much better team overall then the Redskins but the reality is that aside from the QB the teams are pretty close and the difference is all Luck. Without him the Colts are a mediocre team at best. (no offense intended ... they had a lot better year then my Giants!)

Without Luck, the Colts might win 2 or 3 games. They are a bad team with good players in skill positions. Their offensive line is terrible and their defense is bad, but I think their defensive problems are more due to coaching than personnel.
 
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