Andrew Luck vs RG3

[etrigan420]

The very notion that RG3 is a better passer than Luck is outlandish. Just watch film of the two operating from the pocket and it is no contest as to who the better QB is.

Hell, only one of the two of them seems to actually grasp the concept of a "pocket".

"Everybody is just assuming because of the Heisman and the socks and all that bs... they are ignoring a lot of bad tape that he's had. I don't think he has vision or pocket feel, which to me are the two most important components of quarterbacking. He's just running around winging it. He's [Michael] Vick, but not as good a thrower."—NFL scout

 

[purbeast0]

I think RG3 is currently underrated because the team is such a disaster and he's been mismanaged as far as his rehab and coaching is concerned.

this is exactly why you are delusional and living in your fantasy world.

in case you didn't know, rg3 (and his dad) are the ones that wanted him to become a pocket passer first. both of them didn't want him to be a running quarterback. but i'm sure you already knew this since you were part of the redskins staff.

you probably thought jason campbell was 'underrated' as well. same with donovan mcnabb and rex grossman.

no matter what excuse you keep giving, numbers dont lie. you can't be "underrated" when your stats fucking suck.

he has 4 touchdowns to 6 interceptions in 9 games this year, 4 fumbles lost, and much of his time has been during garbage time because the redskins suck.

and lol @ the guy typing ***skins instead of redskins. i didn't realize phil simms posted on ATOT.

 

[eits]

I was never part of the Redskins staff. Not sure where you got that.

 

[mvbighead]

those guys have had hard strengths of schedules in difficult divisions (just a reminder of who is in the same division as the colts... titans, jaguars, and texans)

This is effing ridiculous. You fault the guy for having three weak division opponents? What about last year when the Colts beat the Broncos, Seahawks, and 49ers? All three of those opponents were strong contenders for the Super Bowl, and two of them were in it. The Colts beat ALL three of them in the regular season.

At this point, it is far enough down the line that there are fewer and fewer acceptable excuses for RG3's lack of production. My biggest problem is he's about the most arrogant, pompous guy and part of that is the fault of the front office for basically giving him the keys to the kingdom without asking him to earn any of it. His press conferences are almost comical. Contrast that to Luck, and nearly every time he talking about what he's done wrong and how well his teammates are doing. I'm sure there may come a time when the 'protection issues' comment comes up (Manning did this several years back), but by and large Luck is a guy who works at it.

As for accuracy, well, I'll just say that there are two things far more important than accuracy at the QB position. Durability and pocket presence. Luck has those in spades. He throws an errant pass every once in a while, but he's not dumb enough to think he can run the ball 10 times a game.

How someone, at this point in time, can even try to suggest that RG3 will be the better of the two is almost unbelievable. I can see an argument for Wilson, but I truly believe that team is so solid from top to bottom that he simply has to manage the game 90% of the time, and occasionally have a big game or two, which he does. But RG3... the guy needs to make it through a couple seasons with solid numbers for anyone to consider him in the conversation of top QBs in his draft class.

 

[glenn1]

Without Luck, the Colts might win 2 or 3 games. They are a bad team with good players in skill positions. Their offensive line is terrible and their defense is bad, but I think their defensive problems are more due to coaching than personnel.

Without Bradshaw they're going to win zero playoff games though. Luck can beat teams like JAX by himself and no run game but will get destroyed (again) by teams like the Cowboys or 'Hawks.

 

[eits]

I will be surprised if the Colts beat the Bengals.

 

[eits]

Without Bradshaw they're going to win zero playoff games though. Luck can beat teams like JAX by himself and no run game but will get destroyed (again) by teams like the Cowboys or 'Hawks.

I doubt the Colts could beat the Seahawks, even if Bradshaw were healthy.

 

[Captante]

I will be surprised if the Colts beat the Bengals.

I won't ... the Bengals have Andy Dalton at QB and that's a killer.

I do agree that the Bengals are a much better all-around team then the Colts (especially defensively) but IMO Dalton stinks and if the game is close he'll blow it.

With Bradshaw 100% I would be picking the Colts to win outright. As it stands now I think this game could easily go either way.

I doubt the Colts could beat the Seahawks, even if Bradshaw were healthy.

As I mentioned earlier if they stay healthy I don't think anyone in the AFC is beating the Seahawk's. (with the possible exception of New England)

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I will be surprised if the Colts beat the Bengals.

I predicted they would be one and done in the playoffs.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Without Bradshaw they're going to win zero playoff games though. Luck can beat teams like JAX by himself and no run game but will get destroyed (again) by teams like the Cowboys or 'Hawks.

I've said all year the Colts will be one and done in the playoffs. Irsay needs to give Grigson and Pagano a performance ultimatum next year. I kind off hope the Bengals blow them out and therefore convince the Colts to fire Greg Manusky (their defensive coordinator).

 

[eits]

I won't ... the Bengals have Andy Dalton at QB and that's a killer.

I do agree that the Bengals are a much better all-around team then the Colts (especially defensively) but IMO Dalton stinks and if the game is close he'll blow it.

With Bradshaw 100% I would be picking the Colts to win outright. As it stands now I think this game could easily go either way.






As I mentioned earlier if they stay healthy I don't think anyone in the AFC is beating the Seahawk's. (with the possible exception of New England)

I agree, for the most part. I just think the Bengals have a better defense and offensive line. Hill and Bernard will dominate all game long and Dalton should have a good game against the Colts secondary.

 

[darkswordsman17]

1, (edit) when i said i was one of the official chiro and pt providers for the redskins, it was an error. it should have said redskins cheerleaders. i apologize about that. however, i have treated a couple redskins players.

2, i thought i'd said i was one of the official team chiropractors and physical therapy providers for the redskins cheerleaders. i'm using a small, logitech wireless keyboard which has cramped keys. sometimes, when i go to punctuate to end the sentence, i accidentally hit a combination of keys and somehow highlight the word i had just typed and hit period. i'm assuming that's what happened in this case (my main computer is hooked up to the projector in my basement for movies and such... when i typed this, i can tell i was using my computer rather than my phone because nothing's capitalized).

3, the redskins athletic training staff is atrocious and has been for years now. i'm praying a few of those guys get fired.

4, i grew up in the dc area, went to school and practiced in st. louis, then moved back to the dc area in 2013 and worked at a chiro/pt clinic (official chiro/pt providers for the redskins cheerleaders). i opened my own clinic in september of 2014.

1.) Riiiiiight.

Funny thing is...and since 1997, has been the Official Team Chiropractor for the Washington Redskins Cheerleaders

But hey, maybe you can prove that you worked for that guy and you were "the real" official chiro? But then I wonder why you were claiming to be a doctor for some of the Redskins players.

The funniest part though is how you claim you were part of the care but have also been claiming the care was so totally utterly shit that it's almost straight up ruined the career of an athlete. Do you not realize that makes it look like you were part of the problem?

2.) Bullshit. Oh, let us guess, you were using your phone this whole time and it was autocorrect, right? Wait, wait, I bet you got hacked, right? I bet it was North Korea! You're so full of shit pretending like this is all just a slipup of not putting "cheerleader" in your other post, you were obviously trying to delude people into believing that you had enough involvement with the team to be able to prop up your condemnation of RGIII's care.

3.) Yes because you're so clearly qualified and knowledgeable that you should be making such claims about people on a public forum (especially now that you're suddenly backpedaling away from claiming how you have so much more intimate knowledge of the situation now that you're being called on your claims). Then again you've made it well known what you think about doctors and similar fields to yours that aren't chiros. It's not like you'd say shit just to try to drum up business for yourself or anything (still can't believe they let you go around claiming your the "official chiro" for here, and I laugh when you took down your links to your clinic since you only did so because people were using it as proof of your lies).

4.) Hey, now that's something. Of course given your history I'm not gonna just take your word for it, but then I don't care enough to actually keep badgering you on proving your claims since it doesn't even really matter as you've just been proving that your alleged expertise just makes you delusional to logic and sense (and have had more than my fill of dealing with you arguing using lies and unsubstantiated claims like you've so consistently done).

I know you've been dishonest with a lot of topics in the past (I still laugh every time I see people say "eits is a good guy" when you've consistently lied and distorted all manner of things to try to prop up what you want to believe/claim, but hey you're a "nice guy" and apparently you arguing with more lies or just being wrong doesn't matter as long as you're nice when called on your bullshit). So, you're either a liar and intentionally trying to deceive, or don't even know who you were working for (I'd think you'd probably notice a pretty big difference between your clients generally being female cheerleaders or professional football players). Either way, it's scary that people trust you with any manner of health care given the incompetence you've shown so often.

Hell the only reason I got involved with this thread was I read the link in the self-ownage thread and then saw PimpJuice's post calling you out on that shit and knew that 5 minutes of searching would likely prove your bullshit because you seem to think people are idiots. And sadly there's been too many people on here that have the belief that you're not an incredibly dishonest, even outright malicious, person. I can only imagine how bad you are in real life.

 

[eits]

When the hell have I ever been dishonest about anything?

Feel free to call Sport & Spine Rehab and ask if I used to work there.

I have no reason to be dishonest.

 

[eits]

Look man, I honestly don't know why you have a beef. I am not a dishonest guy whatsoever. I don't know what I've said or done toward you for you to have this perspective of me. Whatever it was, I apologize.

 

[eits]

I've worked hard to get where I am in my life and it wasn't from lying.

My practice failed in the St. Louis area because I refused to compromise my values and be dishonest to patients, like most chiropractors in that area were, in order to get patient and make a buck. Ultimately, I decided to move out of that overly saturated market and move my evidence-based practice back home, to Maryland.

I didn't have any money, so I had to start somewhere. After many interviews with chiropractic clinics where I didn't think meshed well with my philosophy, I finally got my foot in the door at Sport & Spine. I started there in May of 2013 and left in April of 2014.

Here is a picture I took of a coworker during our Thanksgiving potluck in 2013. You may be able to see the Redskins Cheerleader logo on his sleeve:

As for talking to Gray Cook and Greg Rose, is a picture of me pointing to the both of them. The guy directly behind me is Dr. Michael Leahy, team chiropractor for the Broncos and founder of ART (Active Release Technique):

I'm not lying, man. I just try to achieve my goals.

Have I made mistakes in the past or been wrong about things before? Of course I have. So has everyone else. Does that mean you should try to distort my character or reputation? I don't think that's fair.

Just because you don't believe me doesn't mean I'm lying. And just because I don't provide you with names of people doesn't mean I'm lying, either.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Just when I thought this thread couldn't get any worse

 

[Arkaign]

I've said all year the Colts will be one and done in the playoffs. Irsay needs to give Grigson and Pagano a performance ultimatum next year. I kind off hope the Bengals blow them out and therefore convince the Colts to fire Greg Manusky (their defensive coordinator).

I'm confident the Colts will get through the Bengals. People jumped on the Colts for getting obliterated by the Cowboys, but a thin team was powerless with Hilton being out and Vontae being gimpy combined with zilch to play for, I don't think that was a totally fair representation.

Now, after the Bungles are downed, it gets a lot tougher. Luck on a fantastic day with a lights-out Hilton and Davis playing shutdown, I think things could be pretty good for the Colts. That's asking a lot though. All of their limited strengths would have to be stellar to get by some of the tougher teams that are more complete that lie ahead.

I just don't trust the Bungles to move forward. And I know that Luck is one of the best young QBs of all time. The surrounding cast he has does leave a lot to be desired though. How's their cap space and such look for '15? Improvement?

 

[zinfamous]

I had no idea that NFL organizations actually had team chiropractors.

Could this explain why there seems to have been so many more injuries the last couple of years? :hmm:

 

[eits]

I had no idea that NFL organizations actually had team chiropractors.

Could this explain why there seems to have been so many more injuries the last couple of years? :hmm:

Nope. Actually, all of the major players get treated regularly. Rodgers' dad is a chiropractor, in fact. Jerry Rice and MJD have been spokesmen for athletes getting chiropractic care for a while.

Baseball, hockey, and soccer teams have chiropractors, too. Same with the Olympics.

One theory behind the reason there have been more injuries (the theory I hold to be true) is because players are getting bigger and faster and stronger than before and because teams don't prehab players effectively. Only about half of the league prehabs their team. The Redskins are not one of those teams. I don't know if the Colts are. I know the Seahawks are. The three main teams who do are the Seahawks, 49ers, and Broncos.

 

[Sulaco]

Just when I thought this thread couldn't get any worse

Worse...? Or better??

How about "funnier"?



<--official gynecologist for Victoria's Secret angels.

 

[Muse]

yeah, i must have accidentally left out "cheerleaders" after "provider to the redskins". an unfortunate error on my part lol. my bad.

the rest of it accurate.

LOLOL Oh, man... :whiste:

 

[eits]

LOLOL Oh, man... :whiste:

Yeah, thats exactly what went on in my head as soon as I realized I hadn't posted "cheerleaders" lol

My original post was something to the effect of "if you read what I wrote, I said I was the chiro/pt provider for the redskins cheerleaders, not the redskins." Then I went back and said, "oh, neat... This is gonna sound totally legit to these guys... FML."

 

[mvbighead]

I'm confident the Colts will get through the Bengals. People jumped on the Colts for getting obliterated by the Cowboys, but a thin team was powerless with Hilton being out and Vontae being gimpy combined with zilch to play for, I don't think that was a totally fair representation.

Now, after the Bungles are downed, it gets a lot tougher. Luck on a fantastic day with a lights-out Hilton and Davis playing shutdown, I think things could be pretty good for the Colts. That's asking a lot though. All of their limited strengths would have to be stellar to get by some of the tougher teams that are more complete that lie ahead.

I just don't trust the Bungles to move forward. And I know that Luck is one of the best young QBs of all time. The surrounding cast he has does leave a lot to be desired though. How's their cap space and such look for '15? Improvement?

This is pretty much how it is. They shut the Bungles down once this season, so I don't see why they can't beat them again, especially without AJ green.

That said, the coordinators need to pull their heads out of their ass and realize a couple things. They can't run the ball. The run game should merely complement a heavy pass attack. They need to get their speedsters involved early, namely Hilton but a few pieces of Moncrief will help. Spread the field, and make them cover all of their receiving weapons.

On defense in passing situations, Newsome seems to be their best bet. Walden and Werner are usually good when given some time, but Newsome is the closest they have right now to a pure pass rusher. Rushing downs should heavily feature Werner and Walden.

If the coordinators call good enough games, the Colts have a shot. It's just usually some piss poor play calling that setup poor situation. The team still stands to improve a lot, but Luck can typically by enough time to get some of the lesser receivers open. Hilton is about the only receiver at this point that can swiftly get himself open, and Wayne can usually find holes in the zone.

And aside from the run game and defense of the Bengals, without AJ, they're passing game not elite. Should be a good game, but I do feel the Colts should be able to win this one.

 

[DrPizza]

I will be surprised if the Colts beat the Bengals.

Why would it be a surprise? They're playing the Bengals. They beat them earlier this season, and they're favored to win. You know what would be a surprise? If the Colts beat the Bills this week.

 

[eits]

Why would it be a surprise? They're playing the Bengals. They beat them earlier this season, and they're favored to win. You know what would be a surprise? If the Colts beat the Bills this week.

Because the Colts have become a completely one-dimensional team and they have a weaker defense than the Bengals. I think the Bengals will be able to pick the Colts apart.