Andrew Luck vs RG3

[purbeast0]

AND WHERE THE FUCK IS eits TO TALK ABOUT ALL THIS???

 

[eits]

I heard from a friend who has the inside scoop... RG3 is getting cut from the team. All that has been announced is that Gruden named Cousins the 2015-16 starter. McCloughan and Snyder believe RG3 has tons of potential and would love to keep him, but he's poison for the team right now, and having a head coach and OC who can't stand him is only going to disrupt chemistry and success, which is what McCloughan is all about in a team.

It hasn't been released to the press yet.

Luck is a better quarterback than Luck. RG3 was set up for failure in an organization that doesn't know the difference between shit and apple butter. He showed a flash of growth, but this latest concussion makes him a huge liability.

At the end of the day, in Scot I trust.

Cousins has growing to do. I think he can.

 

[kaerflog]

I remembered in my dynasty league, I picked Luck and someone got RGIII in their rookie year.
We both signed them to 3 yr max and I got teased quite a bit cause he said he will have the best QB for the next few yrs.
Fast forward 3 yrs later, I have the best fantasy QB and RGIII wasn't drafted.
After the 3 yr contract, I franchised Luck for 2(max) year for price of $7. Top tier QB in this league goes for ~$45.

 

[eits]

Gruden says RG3 will remain on the roster, but I don't trust anything anyone on the Redskins says unless it's Scot McCloughan.

It would make sense for him to be on the roster, unless they're considering a trade for a QB elsewhere.

 

[Krazy4Real]

I heard from a friend who has the inside scoop... RG3 is getting cut from the team. All that has been announced is that Gruden named Cousins the 2015-16 starter. McCloughan and Snyder believe RG3 has tons of potential and would love to keep him, but he's poison for the team right now, and having a head coach and OC who can't stand him is only going to disrupt chemistry and success, which is what McCloughan is all about in a team.

It hasn't been released to the press yet.

Luck is a better quarterback than Luck. RG3 was set up for failure in an organization that doesn't know the difference between shit and apple butter. He showed a flash of growth, but this latest concussion makes him a huge liability.

At the end of the day, in Scot I trust.

Cousins has growing to do. I think he can.

It doesn't make sense to cut RG3. His contract is fully guaranteed. I can see them cutting him after this season. They don't need to pay his 5th year option if he's cut before the first day of the next league year. That'll save them $16M.

 

[purbeast0]

It doesn't make sense to cut RG3. His contract is fully guaranteed. I can see them cutting him after this season. They don't need to pay his 5th year option if he's cut before the first day of the next league year. That'll save them $16M.

eits knows as much about football as shortylickens knows about women.

(as proof of this thread)

 

[edro]

It must suck to have an ego as big as his and having to sit the entire season, knowing the only way you will play is to have 2 QBs in front of you go down.

He better be saving his money.

 

[eits]

It doesn't make sense to cut RG3. His contract is fully guaranteed. I can see them cutting him after this season. They don't need to pay his 5th year option if he's cut before the first day of the next league year. That'll save them $16M.

They could still part ways and not pay him $16M this season, to my understanding. It'll cost them all of $3.2M and gain a more purified locker room as opposed to keeping it poisoned.

RG3 just isn't liked by a fair number of his teammates and it isn't getting better.

Honestly, I feel bad for him. He's been poorly managed and he's kind of an introvert. I think he's misunderstood and people love to jone on him and he lets it get to him. I can definitely relate... I used to work for a company where I was one of the best chiropractors they had. But someone was worried I was going to take her job and created a negative perspective of me with the other employees, I didn't like going and hanging out with the coworkers much, and I would correct the assistants whenever they were showing how to do corrective or physical therapy exercises incorrectly. Management didn't want me as a clinic chiropractor because of it (according to them, I didn't work well with others), so they made me a coverage chiropractor. After I went to other clinics, covering for chiros who were out on leave or vacation, their patients wanted to switch to having me treat them instead of their regular chiropractor because I would do things that worked better. The clinicians didn't like that, so they complained to management. Eventually, even though I had the skills, at the end of the day, many within the company didn't want me covering for them anymore, because a few of their patients wanted me instead of then, and because I was viewed as self-serving, unrelatable, and an asshole by my coworkers at my home clinic. So, I get let go, regardless of the skills I could have brought to the table if they just utilized me properly.

It stung when I was fired, considering the amount of money I helped bring to the clinic through product sales, marketing, and elevating the level of detail to the physical therapy being performed. I really feel for RG3. I can relate with what he's going through, and the best thing for both parties is to part ways, even though I wish things could work out. He will be better off somewhere with a stud offensive line or just retiring altogether and focusing on being a dad without any more brain injuries.

 

[eits]

eits knows as much about football as shortylickens knows about women.

(as proof of this thread)

I didn't say he was getting cut from the team, I said that a friend with an inside source said he was.

I was saying that it wouldn't make sense to have a team with only 2 QBs, especially when you don't have a proven offensive line.

At the same time, it doesn't help to keep poison in the locker room.

It'd be cool if you were the cool, friendly ATOTer I used to know here and not such an asshole. Thanks.

 

[purbeast0]

your problem is you keep putting the blame on everyone BUT rg3, which is exactly what he was doing while claiming to know he is the best quarterback on his team, AND in the nfl.

funny how he claims (or even only thinks, regardless of what he said) to be the best qb in the league, but after 3 years, he still has not a clue how to protect himself or even slide.

 

[Red Storm]

To be fair, I believe he elaborated on that quote by saying that's the type of mentality you need to have, that you're the best. That's something you see in every sport, where these athletes exude an extreme level of confidence which often comes off as arrogance to viewers, but helps them perform on the field and deal with the pressure.

... which clearly hasn't worked for him, but I don't think there's anything wrong with what he said.

 

[eits]

your problem is you keep putting the blame on everyone BUT rg3, which is exactly what he was doing while claiming to know he is the best quarterback on his team, AND in the nfl.

funny how he claims (or even only thinks, regardless of what he said) to be the best qb in the league, but after 3 years, he still has not a clue how to protect himself or even slide.

Every professional athlete thinks they're the best, because they have to in order to succeed. That's what got them where they are. It's just that they're not candid about it. RG3's words were taken out of context by the press and everyone went nuts. No one said anything, though, about Eli wanting to be paid a bunch more, though.

RG3's problem is not is ego, it's his inability to get out of his own head. He is very insecure and tries hard to prove people wrong rather than learn to be okay with himself and happy about the things he does well. It's an unhealthy way for an athlete to push themselves, because you give everyone else the power to influence how you act.

The more you try to prove someone wrong, the more you end up proving them right, because you try too hard because you care too much of what people think of you because you're an insecure person. That's RG3's downfall, and he will never unleash his potential until he can quit stepping on his own dick.

 

[eits]

To be fair, I believe he elaborated on that quote by saying that's the type of mentality you need to have, that you're the best. That's something you see in every sport, where these athletes exude an extreme level of confidence which often comes off as arrogance to viewers, but helps them perform on the field and deal with the pressure.

... which clearly hasn't worked for him, but I don't think there's anything wrong with what he said.

Exactly.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

It doesn't make sense to cut RG3. His contract is fully guaranteed. I can see them cutting him after this season. They don't need to pay his 5th year option if he's cut before the first day of the next league year. That'll save them $16M.

I could be mistaken, but I thought I read that the $16 million was only guaranteed in the event of injury.

EDIT: This article explains it. http://www.businessinsider.com/robert-griffin-iii-redskins-2015-8

 

[IndyColtsFan]

eits knows as much about football as shortylickens knows about women.

(as proof of this thread)

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if eits' friend is correct based on that article I posted in my previous post. It seems like Griffin may have been blindsided by the news of Cousins being named the 2015 starter - he apparently was under the impression he was the starter and was only going to miss a game or two due to the concussion protocol.

I could see the Jets grab him and if he is cheap enough, maybe the 49ers. Not sure about the QB situation for the Bills either.

Also, LOL at comment about shorty.

 

[Krazy4Real]

They could still part ways and not pay him $16M this season, to my understanding. It'll cost them all of $3.2M and gain a more purified locker room as opposed to keeping it poisoned.

What I mean is that Washington is on the books this year for $6.7M of his salary regardless if he is on the team or not (This $6.7M is fully guaranteed, no cap savings if he is cut). They won't cut him because of this. He will be a backup and if Cousins gets hurt, he will be inserted back into the starting lineup (I think he will be the #2 instead of McCoy).

Washington will probably draft a QB in next year's draft. They will be so bad this year that they will get a good pick.

 

[Krazy4Real]

I could be mistaken, but I thought I read that the $16 million was only guaranteed in the event of injury.

EDIT: This article explains it. http://www.businessinsider.com/robert-griffin-iii-redskins-2015-8

I'm talking next year not this year. He will be a beloved patriot (as a backup unless Cousins gets hurt) this year unless someone picks him up in a trade. He won't be cut. Then before the start of the league year next year, he will be released to save that $16M.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

What I mean is that Washington is on the books this year for $6.7M of his salary regardless if he is on the team or not (This $6.7M is fully guaranteed, no cap savings if he is cut). They won't cut him because of this. He will be a backup and if Cousins gets hurt, he will be inserted back into the starting lineup (I think he will be the #2 instead of McCoy).

Washington will probably draft a QB in next year's draft. They will be so bad this year that they will get a good pick.

Yeah, I don't think they have to cut him this year but they will pretty much have to cut him at the end of this season (before next season) because once the NFL calendar turns over, my understanding is that if he were to sustain a season-ending injury in practice, they'll owe him $16 million and have no recourse.

Of course, if it is true RGIII was blindsided by the news today, he may insist on being cut.

 

[Homerboy]

Crap like this just makes me love my 23+ years with Favre and Rodgers so much more.

IndyColtsFan has been blessed with Manning and Luck too!

 

[Red Storm]

Crap like this just makes me love my 23+ years with Favre and Rodgers so much more.

IndyColtsFan has been blessed with Manning and Luck too!

It's crazy how important that one position is. It's almost too important.

 

[Krazy4Real]

Crap like this just makes me love my 23+ years with Favre and Rodgers so much more.

IndyColtsFan has been blessed with Manning and Luck too!

Seriously! So envious of teams that draft well. :'(

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Crap like this just makes me love my 23+ years with Favre and Rodgers so much more.

IndyColtsFan has been blessed with Manning and Luck too!

And just think, if things had worked out slightly differently, Manning may have succeeded Elway too.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Seriously! So envious of teams that draft well. :'(

In fairness, the Colts don't draft well - their 2012 draft was exceptional but the others in the Grigson era are still very much in doubt. The Polian era drafts were fine up until Chris too over from Bill and then those sucked too.

 

[lupi]

I'm talking next year not this year. He will be a beloved patriot (as a backup unless Cousins gets hurt) this year unless someone picks him up in a trade. He won't be cut. Then before the start of the league year next year, he will be released to save that $16M.

If management finally convinced the owner it's time to cut bait, don't see it as unreasonable to do it sooner than later if they can't work a trade out. Could easily be a team improved by less is more strategy.

 

[eits]

Cause: People saying he's injury prone because he's too skinny and needs to bulk up.
Effect: He practices less and gets in the gym to put on more muscle (which throws his whole biomechanics off).

Cause: People say RG3 is a bust in his second year and that he will never be the same again.
Effect: He tries harder to prove people wrong deliver the ball, not realizing his biomechanics are still garbage because of awful strength and conditioning coaching, and fails harder.

Cause: People say RG3 can't stand in the pocket and be a QB.
Effect: RG3 works harder at trying to stay in the pocket, but spooks easily from a terrible offensive line and either gets hit, sacked, or hurried. His passes are short and he doesn't succeed at being a QB, again.

Cause: After Cousins and McCoy befall the same troubles of distrust of the offensive line after their starts, people want RG3 back in.
Effect: RG3 plays a good game and is more mobile and almost scores a running touchdown before halftime, but loses control of the ball after he crosses the plane of the goal line.

Cause: People get back on his case about being a pocket passer and not scrambling or bootlegging anymore and getting the ball to open receivers instead of trying to run the ball in.
Effect: He starts sucking again.

I could go on and on. The bottom line is that he is insecure and tries too hard to live up to various standards people people create for him. You can't succeed like that; it only works against you. He still hasn't figured that out, and that's why he's in the situation he's in.