Andrew Luck vs RG3

[eits]

It's a decision based on risk-reward.

McCloughan likes RG3, but he's locker room poison, now, and McCloughan says chemistry trumps talent.

Here is the risk-reward of cutting him from the team...

Risk:
- He is a stud elsewhere and we look like idiots again.
- The O-line starts doing their job for him and he plays his ass off and is a stud.
- If we cut him, we will have only 2 quarterbacks behind an unproven offensive line.
- No more free Subway subs for his buddies on the team.

Reward:
- He injures himself in practice or in a game and locks in $16M for sitting on the bench.
- He continues to poison the locker room and brings more controversy and distraction to the team, and the team continues to lose games.
- You only lose $3.2M instead of $16M.

Overall, so far, unless a miracle happens and RG3 makes up with everyone on the team, plays lights out during practice, the Redskins start prehabbing players like the Eagles, Seahawks, and Rams, and sees a sports psychologist to keep from being so insecure and being his normal self, the rewards of cutting RG3 in 2015 while he's healthy outweigh the risks of keeping him.

 

[eits]

I could see him getting traded to the Texans for draft picks, or cut and picked up by the Texans. I am hoping for traded...

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I could see him getting traded to the Texans for draft picks, or cut and picked up by the Texans. I am hoping for traded...

Yeah, forgot about the Texans. That would make sense.

 

[eits]

Yeah, forgot about the Texans. That would make sense.

Especially when considering that RG3 is from Texas.

 

[eits]

I hope you guys like this meme I just made...

I'm not thrilled, but I'm gonna have fun with it if possible lol

http://imgur.com/cTNB6db

 

[Gibsons]

I hope you guys like this meme I just made...

I'm not thrilled, but I'm gonna have fun with it if possible lol

http://imgur.com/cTNB6db

lol, not bad.

 

[Homerboy]

Seriously! So envious of teams that draft well. :'(

/me looks at Krazy4Real's avatar and hands him a tissue.

 

[preslove]

RG3's entire career shows you why you use your higher draft picks on offensive linemen, and your lower on QB's. There have only been a few QB's worth a top 5 pic, and if they aren't snatched up on the first pick, like Luck and Manning, they probably aren't worth the high pick. You're much better off building an offensive line, RB's and receivers, while cycling in QBs until you get that one guy who can actually play well in the NFL. QB is just too complicated a position at the pro level to reliably predict who will be good. Defenses get so much more complicated, and the qb position suffers the most because of this.

 

[purbeast0]

it's crazy how the o-line gets so much of the blame, but kirk cousins didn't get sacked this past week behind that same exact offensive line, and both him and mccoy got sacked a fraction of how much rg3 got sacked the past 2 years, percentaged based on how many starts they had.

it's not even close. rg3 is a moron in the pocket and behind the line.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

it's crazy how the o-line gets so much of the blame, but kirk cousins didn't get sacked this past week behind that same exact offensive line, and both him and mccoy got sacked a fraction of how much rg3 got sacked the past 2 years, percentaged based on how many starts they had.

it's not even close. rg3 is a moron in the pocket and behind the line.

Here's how Andrew Luck deals with a bad offensive line:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfZF9txUbbY

(better view: https://zippy.gfycat.com/CleanFarawayBoar.mp4)

 

[eits]

Here's how Andrew Luck deals with a bad offensive line:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfZF9txUbbY

(better view: https://zippy.gfycat.com/CleanFarawayBoar.mp4)

i was actually talking about this with a patient today. this was whenever i saw how wrong i was about luck (pretty sure i posted about it here when i saw it). the core stability he showed right there proved to me that he is quality for the long haul and continuously improving.

 

[eits]

RG3's entire career shows you why you use your higher draft picks on offensive linemen, and your lower on QB's. There have only been a few QB's worth a top 5 pic, and if they aren't snatched up on the first pick, like Luck and Manning, they probably aren't worth the high pick. You're much better off building an offensive line, RB's and receivers, while cycling in QBs until you get that one guy who can actually play well in the NFL. QB is just too complicated a position at the pro level to reliably predict who will be good. Defenses get so much more complicated, and the qb position suffers the most because of this.

yup

 

[eits]

ugh... i had a really good response to purbeast's post, with links and stats and everything proving him wrong, and that all the redskins qbs shared the same struggle, but they handled it differently out of fear of turning the ball over and moving the ball down the field as the primary goal, but the damn forums timed out or something and i got logged out and couldn't post.

blah blah blah, griffin did a good job this preseason. cousins did a better job. mccoy... whatever. griffin is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. against the lions starting 4-3, he stayed in the pocket, like he was expected to, and got crushed. if he scrambled, everyone would be on his jock about not being able to stay in the pocket, etc. mccoy and cousins come in against second and third defenses and, guess who isn't calling plays to keep the quarterbacks in the pocket anymore?

all i'm saying is that you have to give credit where it's and keep things in perspective.

either way, i'm ready for team chemistry. i'm ready for cousins to take over. luck was an interception machine and he grew and matured each year and i think/hope cousins has the capability to do the same.

in scot i trust.

 

[smackababy]

eits, do you watch the same games as the rest of us? RG3 had a terrible preseason. Some of which I defended (against the Lions), he really got fucked by his line. But, even with that, he has no idea how to handle pressure in the pocket. purbeast is correct in that RG3 has no fucking idea what to do when the pocket starts to collapse. His instinct is to run and he has no instinct to protect himself (slide, go down easy, etc). He was fine in college, because he was quicker than most defenders. This ain't college.

Shannahan did him a disservice by dumbing down the playbook and running trick plays. The NFL has caught on to that garbage. He was also propped up to be this team savior and treated as such. Nope. Gruden gets it; nobody gives a shit what you think your greatness level is or what pick you were in the draft. If you can't contribute positively to the team, you can't be on that field. RG3 hasn't improved enough to earn his starting spot. And, from the sounds of it, he hasn't improved enough to earn his keep.

 

[edro]

lol

 

[purbeast0]

ugh... i had a really good response to purbeast's post, with links and stats and everything proving him wrong, and that all the redskins qbs shared the same struggle, but they handled it differently out of fear of turning the ball over and moving the ball down the field as the primary goal, but the damn forums timed out or something and i got logged out and couldn't post.

blah blah blah, griffin did a good job this preseason. cousins did a better job. mccoy... whatever. griffin is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. against the lions starting 4-3, he stayed in the pocket, like he was expected to, and got crushed. if he scrambled, everyone would be on his jock about not being able to stay in the pocket, etc. mccoy and cousins come in against second and third defenses and, guess who isn't calling plays to keep the quarterbacks in the pocket anymore?

all i'm saying is that you have to give credit where it's and keep things in perspective.

either way, i'm ready for team chemistry. i'm ready for cousins to take over. luck was an interception machine and he grew and matured each year and i think/hope cousins has the capability to do the same.

in scot i trust.

lolol. the hilarity ensues.

 

[purbeast0]

also it's obvious that eits has no clue that it was griffin's fault for telling the oline to shift THE WRONG WAY PRE-SNAP in the lions game on one of those plays where he got blown up.

 

[eits]

eits, do you watch the same games as the rest of us? RG3 had a terrible preseason. Some of which I defended (against the Lions), he really got fucked by his line. But, even with that, he has no idea how to handle pressure in the pocket. purbeast is correct in that RG3 has no fucking idea what to do when the pocket starts to collapse. His instinct is to run and he has no instinct to protect himself (slide, go down easy, etc). He was fine in college, because he was quicker than most defenders. This ain't college.

Shannahan did him a disservice by dumbing down the playbook and running trick plays. The NFL has caught on to that garbage. He was also propped up to be this team savior and treated as such. Nope. Gruden gets it; nobody gives a shit what you think your greatness level is or what pick you were in the draft. If you can't contribute positively to the team, you can't be on that field. RG3 hasn't improved enough to earn his starting spot. And, from the sounds of it, he hasn't improved enough to earn his keep.

if you think he did a shitty job in the first preseason game, you're definitely in the minority.

my post was talking about his adherence to the pocket and how, with protection, he is much better at throwing from it. it's kinda hard to showcase that, though, in a second preseason game when there's no protection. he did well in the first preseason game, though.

you're right about the second part, though.

 

[eits]

also it's obvious that eits has no clue that it was griffin's fault for telling the oline to shift THE WRONG WAY PRE-SNAP in the lions game on one of those plays where he got blown up.

no, i do. it was one of the things i typed out in my long response that didn't post. i basically said that he really struggles with calling his protection for the plays mcvay gives him. i've been told from a couple people that he isn't allowed to audible and change plays pre-snap... not sure how true that is, though. that seems kinda odd. but, then again, i don't really recall seeing any of the skins qb doing that...

the bottom line is griffin isn't as bad as everyone is making him out to seem. he has the talent, but he isn't executing it to highlight his abilities whatsoever. it's a shame, but it's time to move on.

 

[glenn1]

no, i do. it was one of the things i typed out in my long response that didn't post. i basically said that he really struggles with calling his protection for the plays mcvay gives him. i've been told from a couple people that he isn't allowed to audible and change plays pre-snap... not sure how true that is, though. that seems kinda odd. but, then again, i don't really recall seeing any of the skins qb doing that...

the bottom line is griffin isn't as bad as everyone is making him out to seem. he has the talent, but he isn't executing it to highlight his abilities whatsoever. it's a shame, but it's time to move on.

His talent doesn't lend itself well to a professional offense. No shame in that, he won't be the first nor last but likewise most other teams don't mortgage several years of future premium draft picks with their busts.

 

[purbeast0]

no, i do. it was one of the things i typed out in my long response that didn't post. i basically said that he really struggles with calling his protection for the plays mcvay gives him. i've been told from a couple people that he isn't allowed to audible and change plays pre-snap... not sure how true that is, though. that seems kinda odd. but, then again, i don't really recall seeing any of the skins qb doing that...

the bottom line is griffin isn't as bad as everyone is making him out to seem. he has the talent, but he isn't executing it to highlight his abilities whatsoever. it's a shame, but it's time to move on.

oooh another thing that was in your vapor post. how sad!

 

[smackababy]

His talent doesn't lend itself well to a professional offense. No shame in that, he won't be the first nor last but likewise most other teams don't mortgage several years of future premium draft picks with their busts.

I think, with work and proper coaching, he could be a professional QB. I think JaMarcus Russell would have been as well. It is about the team being able to handle him and him being able to work on what he isn't good at. The biggest problem is the Redskins gambled a hell of a lot to move up for that pick and it bit them in the ass hard. Don't bet the farm for a magic cow.

 

[angminas]

I think, with work and proper coaching, he could be a professional QB. I think JaMarcus Russell would have been as well. It is about the team being able to handle him and him being able to work on what he isn't good at. The biggest problem is the Redskins gambled a hell of a lot to move up for that pick and it bit them in the ass hard. Don't bet the farm for a magic cow.

Pretty much this (except for the iffy Russell comparison). I can't think of a recent QB with a worse ability-to-handling ratio than RG3. If he goes to a team where management doesn't have such a severe case of head-in-ass disease, he could blow up again like in his rookie season.

Of course, there's the rub. Teams which can manage QBs usually already have QBs. How much talent does this league waste because it's an athletic version of Kitchen Nightmares? How many completely valid dreams are crushed because cowardly and/or incompetent coaches keep trying to hitch giraffes to plows?

Chalkboard day is long past at the pro level. It's Jimmies and Joes, not Xs and Os. A real NFL coach knows there is no spoon and bends himself to the situation without losing command of it. The exact opposite of how RG3 has been handled. Good thinking, Shanahan...like you were going to win the Super Bowl anyway.

 

[eits]

oooh another thing that was in your vapor post. how sad!

Why are you being a butthole? Honestly.

I wasn't about to retype everything I typed originally. Somehow, my account logged out. I didn't log myself out or anything, I was typing, stepped away to treat patients, then came back, finished typing and hit "send" and it said I was logged out. I went back and the text was saved, so I tried hitting send again and it wouldn't allow me to post. I should have copied and pasted, but I wasn't thinking; I refreshed the page and everything I typed was gone. Hence, why I touched briefly on the main points of what I wrote and didn't go back to find the links I used for the argument.

Is it REALLY this big a deal to you when someone has a differing opinion than you? Please go back to being cool and funny again, and no longer this hyperexcitable assclown you've become.

 

[eits]

Pretty much this (except for the iffy Russell comparison). I can't think of a recent QB with a worse ability-to-handling ratio than RG3. If he goes to a team where management doesn't have such a severe case of head-in-ass disease, he could blow up again like in his rookie season.

Of course, there's the rub. Teams which can manage QBs usually already have QBs. How much talent does this league waste because it's an athletic version of Kitchen Nightmares? How many completely valid dreams are crushed because cowardly and/or incompetent coaches keep trying to hitch giraffes to plows?

Chalkboard day is long past at the pro level. It's Jimmies and Joes, not Xs and Os. A real NFL coach knows there is no spoon and bends himself to the situation without losing command of it. The exact opposite of how RG3 has been handled. Good thinking, Shanahan...like you were going to win the Super Bowl anyway.

This, 100%.