Andrew Luck vs RG3

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IndyColtsFan

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I still think Andrew Luck is overrated.

I still think RG3 has the potential to be one of the best to play the position, but the organization needs to get its shit together for that to happen. New offensive line, new trainers, new safeties, new pass rush, new coaches, better OC, new DC, new GM, more scouts, and a paradigm shift for the owner... One focused on football, not communications.

RGIII has not shown that he has the potential to be one of the best to play the game at all. Physically speaking, Vick had more talent than RGIII coming out of college and that got him nothing. Yeah, RGIII might be smarter but indications are he is a primadonna and his act is wearing thin with players, coaches, and management.

He is being mismanaged and the offensive line is atrocious. Colt McCoy will quickly learn the same lesson Cousins learned when he was the starter, which RG3 already knew, which is you have to either force your throws or you take the sack.

Also, I'll leave this here:
https://twitter.com/ESPNNFL/status/534491217627586561

The quarterback isn't the answer. The offensive line is, and you have to keep a consistent quarterback and build around them if you want a winning team. Every sorry-ass team over the last two seasons realized this and invested in protecting their quarterback and kept their starting quarterback despite their record or turnovers... Cowboys, Cardinals, Dolphins, Browns, etc...

The Skins haven't stuck with or a starting quarterback for more than three seasons since 1993. They don't invest in a stout offensive line because Dan Snyder is an absolute asshat of an owner and Bruce Allen is an awful GM.

We have terrible trainers who don't prehab our players at all or make sure their form is solid in the weight room, so they we end up with tons of injuries to our starters.

The team is managed worse than any other team in the NFL.

The entire organization doesn't care about what the real problems are. They only care about dealing with the symptoms.

My team is a total shit show who likes to give talented players away and continue to suck all because they don't know how to tap into a player's full potential.

Offensive line woes? Luck is still getting the crap beat out of him on a weekly basis.

You were dead wrong on Luck, Wilson, and RGIII. Yeah the Redskins organization sucks, which makes it even more amazing that you guys seriously thought RGIII would be the answer there. The only thing RGIII's rookie season has shown is that we all underrated Shanahan.
 
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IndyColtsFan

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Should we change thread title to Andrew Luck vs Colt McCoy?

I can only imagine herds of RGIII fans running off the nearest cliff if McCoy somehow manages to beat the Colts. I'd almost take the loss just for the lulz factor and to hear even more of eits' excuses of why McCoy can win but RGIII was humiliated against freaking Tampa.
 

akugami

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I still think Andrew Luck is overrated.

I still think RG3 has the potential to be one of the best to play the position, but the organization needs to get its shit together for that to happen. New offensive line, new trainers, new safeties, new pass rush, new coaches, better OC, new DC, new GM, more scouts, and a paradigm shift for the owner... One focused on football, not communications.

He is being mismanaged and the offensive line is atrocious. Colt McCoy will quickly learn the same lesson Cousins learned when he was the starter, which RG3 already knew, which is you have to either force your throws or you take the sack.

Also, I'll leave this here:
https://twitter.com/ESPNNFL/status/534491217627586561

The quarterback isn't the answer. The offensive line is, and you have to keep a consistent quarterback and build around them if you want a winning team. Every sorry-ass team over the last two seasons realized this and invested in protecting their quarterback and kept their starting quarterback despite their record or turnovers... Cowboys, Cardinals, Dolphins, Browns, etc...

The Skins haven't stuck with or a starting quarterback for more than three seasons since 1993. They don't invest in a stout offensive line because Dan Snyder is an absolute asshat of an owner and Bruce Allen is an awful GM.

We have terrible trainers who don't prehab our players at all or make sure their form is solid in the weight room, so they we end up with tons of injuries to our starters.

The team is managed worse than any other team in the NFL.

The entire organization doesn't care about what the real problems are. They only care about dealing with the symptoms.

My team is a total shit show who likes to give talented players away and continue to suck all because they don't know how to tap into a player's full potential.


Here's the funny part. RG3 had his best year when the Shanahans were in charge. Especially Kyle "Got my job because of nepotism" Shanahan. Now we're seeing that Kyle Shanahan was a major reason for RG3's success. Why do I say that? Look at what Kyle has done in Cleveland with Brian Hoyer.

Read between the lines and you'll realize RG3 was a huge reason the Shanahans were run out of Washington. Now we're seeing RG3, and not the Shanahans, were responsible for his poor performance on the field. Hell, Jay Gruden is trying to save his own ass by throwing RG3 under the bus. Of course, that was only after RGme threw his teammates under the bus.

Can RG3 still be a good NFL QB? Yes. I truly believe that. He has all the physical skills, even without his previously blazing speed. However, he hasn't been a very smart NFL player much less a good NFL QB. At this point, for any team to have him as their QB, you need to consider him a rookie and start from the beginning as far as training and learning how to be a good NFL QB goes.

Dan Snyder NEEDS to stop messing with the team. With a good team, the owner hires good football people and LET THE FOOTBALL PEOPLE MANAGE THE TEAM. You can't have players run to the owner because he doesn't like how the coaches and GM is managing the team.

Did I really say that? :$

The correct answer is "It was a dark time in my life. I was drunk and high in a hotel room with a $20 crack whore when I posted that. I was in a state of loss and denial that my team didn't Suck Enough to Get Luck. I am in the acceptance stage now."
 

purbeast0

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at this point, it's painfully obvious and clear that rg3 simply does not have many of the intangibles that an nfl caliber quarterback needs to be successful. he has absolutely no pocket presence, no vision, no footwork, and he has no concept of situational football. many of these things simply cannot be taught and he just does not have them. his success running the read option in 2012 only masked this because they were winning doing unorthodox stuff.

and looking back, they were 3-6 in 2012 as well and had a miracle run. granted, during those 3-6 games, he actually looked competent, and he's regressed as an nfl quarterback.

i would love for him to succeed and be the franchise qb that the redskins haven't had in 2 decades, but it just does not look like he is going to be that guy. he needs to start producing instead of talking after every loss about "we will get better". i know many of you who aren't in the dc market, but his pressers are repetitive as shit and the same ol same ol, talking about "we will get better, we have good people on the team" but he's been saying that for 3 years now, and they haven't gotten better.

gotta just put up or shut up. hopefully this benching will light a fire under his ass and he can start to actually get better instead of just talking about it. but i'm very skeptical that it will because he simply lacks so many of the intangibles that i don't see it happening.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Colt McCoy will quickly learn the same lesson Cousins learned when he was the starter, which RG3 already knew, which is you have to either force your throws or you take the sack.

I knew I forgot something! Here was McCoy's stat line against the Colts:

31 of 47 (66%), 392 yard, 0 INTs, and a rating of 113.1

For someone "forcing" his throws, he looked pretty darn good.
 

purbeast0

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I knew I forgot something! Here was McCoy's stat line against the Colts:

31 of 47 (66%), 392 yard, 0 INTs, and a rating of 113.1

For someone "forcing" his throws, he looked pretty darn good.

much of that in "garbage" time. they were "in" the game for about 2 seconds when it was 17-21, then it was done. you also conveniently left out colt mccoy's sack total, which was on par with RG3's. it was clear when mccoy was getting all of his yards that the colts were playing software coverage.

and i'm sure you watched the first 1/2 of the game too, when they even showed the stat on the screen the the colts had ran more offensive plays than the redskins had total yards, and when the redskins had 19 TOTAL yards after about a quarter, and after alfred morris had broke for a 21yd run.

and i'm not saying mccoy had a bad game or anything. i'm just saying that simple stats and numbers don't tell the whole story. the same was true for rg3 last year when his numbers would look okay on paper after the game, but 200 of the yards game during garbage time if you had watched the game.

and before you jump on it, this post isn't defending rg3 or anything, he sucks.
 

IndyColtsFan

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much of that in "garbage" time. they were "in" the game for about 2 seconds when it was 17-21, then it was done. you also conveniently left out colt mccoy's sack total, which was on par with RG3's. it was clear when mccoy was getting all of his yards that the colts were playing software coverage.

and i'm sure you watched the first 1/2 of the game too, when they even showed the stat on the screen the the colts had ran more offensive plays than the redskins had total yards, and when the redskins had 19 TOTAL yards after about a quarter, and after alfred morris had broke for a 21yd run.

and i'm not saying mccoy had a bad game or anything. i'm just saying that simple stats and numbers don't tell the whole story. the same was true for rg3 last year when his numbers would look okay on paper after the game, but 200 of the yards game during garbage time if you had watched the game.

and before you jump on it, this post isn't defending rg3 or anything, he sucks.

But there really wasn't much garbage time in that game. The Redskins kept answering and had it within 11 late in the second half.

I thought McCoy did a great job adjusting and played well. The Redskins sucked in the first quarter but the Colts didn't put them away like they should have and as a result, McCoy and the team kept fighting hard.
 

eits

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I knew I forgot something! Here was McCoy's stat line against the Colts:

31 of 47 (66%), 392 yard, 0 INTs, and a rating of 113.1

For someone "forcing" his throws, he looked pretty darn good.

he did look good.

you can't tell me he didn't force a lot of those throws in the second half.

thank goodness the colts secondary is awful and thank goodness our team recovered most of his fumbles.

our entire organization is a disaster... a huge, embarrassing disaster... and we're actually considering getting rid of the player who has the most potential to be a stud quarterback because no one has done enough to train him since he came back from his injuries...

i just want to fast forward to 3-5 years from now...
 

Thebobo

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why is it so written that you cant mix quarterbacks during the game as part of each play.

Has it ever worked? I know games where they hove gone through 3 QBs and some non official QB to play the position but I talking about as part of the plays.
 

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why is it so written that you cant mix quarterbacks during the game as part of each play.

Has it ever worked? I know games where they hove gone through 3 QBs and some non official QB to play the position but I talking about as part of the plays.

Yeah, I've wondered the same thing.

I've heard it discussed many times and the claim is that the CBA has reduced practice time to the extent there aren't enough reps to get more than one QB sufficient practice time.

And then there's the fact that QB's are very expensive. Teams can't have two or three good QB's. If they did there wouldn't be any room under the salary cap for other positions. What's the point of playing 2 or 3 crappy QB's?

Fern
 

purbeast0

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why is it so written that you cant mix quarterbacks during the game as part of each play.

Has it ever worked? I know games where they hove gone through 3 QBs and some non official QB to play the position but I talking about as part of the plays.

you can, and people have tried, and it never works. a lot of offense in football has to do with chemistry and rythm, and if you're constantly swapping out qbs, you will never have that.

he did look good.

you can't tell me he didn't force a lot of those throws in the second half.

thank goodness the colts secondary is awful and thank goodness our team recovered most of his fumbles.

our entire organization is a disaster... a huge, embarrassing disaster... and we're actually considering getting rid of the player who has the most potential to be a stud quarterback because no one has done enough to train him since he came back from his injuries...

i just want to fast forward to 3-5 years from now...

i agree with you too. like yes, rg3 has been total ass this year ... BUT ... he has played a whole 4 games, with only 2 of them being in row. he had the first game, then got injured first quarter of the next. then he played 1 game, then had a bye week. then 2 in a row and he sucked ass.

this organization is just a disaster. don't see it getting any better either.

not sure if you heard, but earlier this morning a report by jason reid came out saying that griffin is done this year per his "inside sources" and that gruden is flat out done with him. then 4 hours later, a report by shefter comes out saying per his inside sources, griffin will be starting before the year is over.

all i know is that if dan snyder fires gruden and keeps rg3, or if he fires gruden regardless, then i will probably not be a redskins fan anymore.
 

eits

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Yeah, I heard. I'm all over Skins news.

I have always thought Gruden was the wrong hire from the get-go. We should have hired Darrell Bevell.

The biggest problem facing RG3 is that he gets thrust back out onto the field without being fully rehabbed. Sure, his ankle may have been rehabbed and back to full strength, but HE wasn't rehabbed from the rehab for his ankle. For example, a curtain catches fire inside your house... You put the fire out and got a new curtain from amazon.com... You still didn't fix the burned part of the wall and all the scorch marks all over the windows and walls and ceiling. Then, you get fed up because it's an eyesore. So, the only logical response is to stop going into that room altogether and use another room without the scorches while considering knocking down the whole wall and building a new one? Maybe go into the other room for a few weeks, but only while you rehab the room until it's as good as new.

You don't simply throw away talent like that.
 

eits

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Dan Snyder needs to sell the team. This is just getting crazy. We need to get back to being a football organization, not a communications organization.

If the Skins draft a quarterback with their first few picks, especially if it's Jameis Winston, I will join my girlfriend in cheering on the Steelers for the season and not the Redskins.

Did you know tickets to the Skins game have reached around $3? No one wants to go. Everyone is trying to sell their tickets.

My friend offered me tickets for free and a parking pass... I told him I'd rather take a shit in my own hand and clap. I'm not giving another dime to Dan Snyder.
 

purbeast0

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Dan Snyder needs to sell the team. This is just getting crazy. We need to get back to being a football organization, not a communications organization.

If the Skins draft a quarterback with their first few picks, especially if it's Jameis Winston, I will join my girlfriend in cheering on the Steelers for the season and not the Redskins.

Did you know tickets to the Skins game have reached around $3? No one wants to go. Everyone is trying to sell their tickets.

My friend offered me tickets for free and a parking pass... I told him I'd rather take a shit in my own hand and clap. I'm not giving another dime to Dan Snyder.

my friend turned down free suite level tickets, no one wants to go.

snyder will never sell the team, at least not now. they are like the #7 money making franchise right now. he's still making a killing off of it. but i'm not spending a dime on the redskins until they get better. haven't spent any money on them in a couple years now, other than a lanyard that i wear at work. bought a bootleg kerrigan jersey from china though.
 

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Russell Wilson doesn't get enough love. Football is the ultimate team sport and it isn't just matching a player on a good offensive and defensive team but also a system and coaches that are compatible. Wilson definitely has been put into a spot to succeed but it shouldn't be taken away from him that he has made the most of his opportunities. It has shown over and over to be an elite playmaker and a QB who is efficient, doesn't make a lot of mistakes in bad situations, and can be counted on to make the big play when called upon. Seattle is not just winning with him, or in spite of him, but Seattle has been winning the last 3 years become of Russell Wilson. 2012-2014 they would be a middling 7-9 to 9-7 team with Tavaris Jackson at the helm. Wilson is good at making plays when necessary to keep games close and excellent at closing out games. Yes, this is a total team effort but he certainly does his part.

The quote below isn't anything comprehensive, just saw it today, but it flies in the face of the so-called game manager narrative.

In Week 13: 15-of-22, 236 yards, one touchdown, no interceptions, 10.73 Y/A, 118.7 passer rating, seven rushes for 35 yards

Wilson is now 4-2 in his career against the 49ers, including his first road win. He has eight touchdowns and four interceptions in those games, but over his last three games he's handled them pretty well.

This was his 23rd career regular season game with a passer rating of 100 or better, which is four more than any player has ever had in his first three seasons.. It was his eighth career game of at least 10 Y/A, which is tied with Dan Marino for eighth-most through three seasons. He would tie the record of 12 if he did it for the last four games.

With two more wins, Wilson will have the most wins a QB has ever had through three seasons. He is currently 32-12. Marino was 33-10 to open his career and Matt Ryan was 33-13.

In the season: 214-335, 63.9%, 2,466 yards, 15 touchdowns, five interceptions, 7.4 Y/A, 94.7 passer rating, 91 rushes for 679 yards and four touchdowns

Wilson has a little bit more to go to get to a passer rating of 100 or better, and if he does, he'd become the first QB in the NFL history to post a rating of 100 or better in each of his first three seasons.

He could have one more huge rushing game and that would be enough to put him over the mark of mostly-uncharted territory for rushing yards by a QB in one season.

Wilson has been one of the best home quarterbacks in NFL history to open his career, but look at his road numbers this year:

113-of-171, 66%, 1,329 yards, 10 touchdowns, one interception, 106.6 rating, 7.77 Y/A, 387 rushing yards.


Wilson has the second-best road passer rating in the NFL this season, behind Tony Romo.

In the career -

Wilson's 67 touchdown passes is seventh-most all-time through three seasons. He is seven behind Jeff Garcia for sixth. Incidentally, Andrew Luck now has 80 career touchdown passes.

Wilson's 98.9 passer rating is the second-best of all-time through three seasons, behind Kurt Warner.

Dating back to 2012, Wilson has the fourth-highest passer rating in the NFL (min. 500 attempts) behind Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, and Drew Brees. His 7.88 Y/A is third-highest in that time. His 32 wins are third-most, after Manning and Tom Brady.

Some of those accomplishments are "team" accomplishments. But he entered a 2012 team with the same parts from 2011 (7-9 team) and turned them into a much, much better team. That three game stretch with 150 points and how he played, as a rookie, down the stretch in 2012 was amazing. Wilson made an amazing rally against Atlanta and nearly dropped 400 yards passing on them and came from behind to take the lead with 32 seconds to spare--only for the defense to get burned. So there is two sides to the "team" element. On that Sunday the defense let Wilson down, not vice versa.

So the claim is Wilson is a "gamer manager". Game manager being short hand for, "Players living off the success of others and who are asked just not to screw things up." Anyone watching Wilson knows this is total garbage--Wilson stretches and then breaks defenses. The Seattle offensive line has been below average to outright bad in pass protection since he arrived in Seattle but Wilson has turned this weakness into turning DOA plays into game breaking plays.

There was a great example of this in the Niner game on Thanksgiving.



The 49ers dial up a sweet disguised cornerback blitz that is well timed, and they pick the perfect gap. Most quarterbacks would be DOA, but Wilson eludes Johnson not once, but twice (with assistance from Lem Jeanpierre). What else can be said here? Wilson swings Seattle from a likely punt situation (or worse) from deep in their territory to knocking on the door step for another score.

I don't remember Trent Dilfer doing any of that.

There is a real bias against Wilson because he, "runs." Pete Prisco is constantly bashing Wilson. Two weeks ago Prisco said he would take Jay Cutler over Russell Wilson.

It’s really difficult to argue with anything Prisco just said, so we won’t. Instead, let’s explore something a little less cut and dry. Which NFC quarterback would Prisco most want: Russell Wilson, Jay Cutler or Robert Griffin III?

“I’d probably take Cutler, but most people would probably take Russell Wilson,” Prisco said. “I just prefer my quarterback to be able to stand in the pocket and make throws. One thing you watch with Russell Wilson – I mean, yeah, he’s done some good things, but I don’t want my quarterback running for 100 yards. I don’t want my quarterback running for 80 yards. I want my quarterback in the pocket, spinning his head and making his reads and making all the throws. Because eventually – and RG3 has found that out quickly – that ability to run and make plays goes away. So yeah, you can move in the pocket. Move with your head up and make throws. I don’t think Russell Wilson does a good enough job of that.”

Prisco is a real click bait blow hard but my opinion is there are "other" issues driving his comments. It is clear that his comments are strongly tinged with such a deep bias that he overlooks the fundamental fact: Wilson "moves with his head up" and makes throws as he prefers to throw over running. Wilson scrambles to throw first. It is true that since Harvin was traded Wilson has been more assertive in taking running yards when given--and then almost always slides. If teams are going to give him 20 yards on a bootleg he will take it. Unlike Prisco, I prefer my QB abuse a defense which assumes QBs are immobile statues so they don't need to cover 100% of the field and when the defense ignores basic coverage because old school football is no longer in vogue (e.g. leave the flat, not check the bootleg QB, pursue down the line of scrimmage with no respect for the other backs) I like that Wilson exploits the gross specialization and defensive tactics that completely ignore the QB. I also like that he turns dead plays into positive plays and, with a bad line, he gets out of the pocket. The worst hits I see Wilson and other QBs take are those standing in the pocket like a sitting duck.

Prisco is taking Cutler who hasn't proven to be a playoff capable QB. Wilson on the other hand is 4-1 in the playoffs. Prisco wants a poor leader at QB who, while possessing elite skills, when it comes to making plays he makes all the wrong choices. Compared to Wilson who is a great team guy and has great ball security. And all that hogwash about not being able to throw in the pocket you just need to look at the playoffs last year. Wilson had a good first half against the Saints before the rain/wind set in but Wilson, when Seattle needed a big play, dropped in a perfect comb on 3rd down to Baldwin to seal the game. Or in the NFCC against San Fran when he hit Kearse on 4th and long for the TD (or the scramble where he hit Baldwin for 50). Wilson didn't throw up INTs or make stupid plays. He makes game winning plays. Sometimes sitting in the pockets. Sometimes on a rollout and other times scrambling. Sometimes he does run. But he is very savvy about the game situation and knowing what he needs to do to execute.

The Super Bowl should have validated Wilson as a young, good, and rising QB. One of the better assessments of his performance:

Just think about the passes he made, on the run, thrown only where his receivers could get them. Think about the sideline pass to Doug Baldwin early in the game. Think about how, when the pocket broke down, he was able to extend plays. Think about the scramble on the first drive that, I thought, picked up the first down, though the officials ruled otherwise.

Yes, I saw some nerves -- just a sliver of them -- on the opening drive, when he missed tight end Zach Miller badly on his first throw. And that's to be expected, even for the perpetually mature Wilson. But just think about what this kid did on third down:

• Third-and-9 from Denver 30: 12-yard completion to Jermaine Kearse.
• Third-and-6 from Denver 14: Scramble for 5 yards (almost converted).
• Third-and-7 from Seattle 31: 9-yard completion to Golden Tate.
• Third-and-4 from Seattle 46: 6-yard completion to Baldwin.
• Third-and-5 from Denver 43: 37-yard completion to Baldwin.
• Third-and-14 from Denver 14: Incomplete to Kearse.
• Third-and-4 from Denver 5: First down on pass interference (attempted pass in back of end zone).
• Third-and-17 from Seattle 19: Complete to Tate for no gain.
• Third-and-7 from Seattle 45: 12-yard completion to Luke Willson.

OK, I'm going to stop there. That's every third-down play through three quarters, and as we know the game was over by then. So Wilson converted six of nine third-down chances. He missed one by less than a yard on a scramble and the other two he did not convert were from long range (14 and 17 yards). It will be impossible not to think back on this game and have one's mind not turn quickly to Wilson spinning, sprinting, rolling out, slipping away and then making a play.

Only once did Wilson toss consecutive incomplete passes -- and that was the sequence early in the game on second-and-14 and the subsequent third-and-14. That's it, folks.

Wilson completed passes to eight different receivers, and four players had at least four targets. Everyone was involved. He finished 18 of 25 for 206 yards, two touchdowns and no turnovers while averaging 8.7 yards per rush. Manning has never has a Super Bowl passer rating above 88.5 and had thrown at least one interception in every Super Bowl he has played in. And Manning has never tossed even two touchdown passes in a Super Bowl game.

Wilson was more than a game manager, much more

Wilson has a lot to improve on. He admits as much. But he also hasn't been dropped into NFL offensive nirvana either. His receivers have been middling and this years crew is worse than last years pedestrian crew (minus Rice, Tate, Harvin, and TE Zach Miller is by far the weakest it has been). And his line has not been good since he has been in the NFL. And yet he continues to be a an efficient, well rated QB who can make all the throws, makes plays, avoids mistakes, and just happens to be the 15th ranked rusher in the NFL as a pass first mobile QB. He has proven to have grit in adversity and a good team lead and proven, yes, a team can win a Super Bowl with him.

I am not going to knock Luck as he is a good young QB but Wilson is a better fit in Seattle. Wilson shores up a huge area of weakness in the line and has Wilson is good at manufacturing low risk/high reward plays on broken plays due to his mobility he doesn't create as many turnovers. Being down/out in a playoff game isn't a reason to throw a ton of INTs. I look at Luck in 2013 vs. KC and NE and Wilson in 2012 against ATL and I am not sure Luck fits the mold in terms of what Seattle has asked of Wilson in ball control while also finding a way to make plays when needed. Maybe Luck would be even better but having watched Wilson in great detail I am confident enough in him and his growth I wouldn't want to find out. Wilson is on the way to having a storied NFL career and clearly in his first 3 years Wilson has played better than Kap, Cam, RGIII, Tannehill, Dalton, and even Luck.
 

purbeast0

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uh oh we got a butt hurt seahawks fan!

guess she forgot to read the thread title.
 
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Griffin brings a "new" dynamic to the table. Unfortunately, he will probably find that after an offseason of film study, NFL defenses are much better able to counter his uniqueness.

It happened to Newton, Vick, the Wildcat, the run n shoot, etc. and will likely happen again.

How true this was...
 

IndyColtsFan

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Yeah, I heard. I'm all over Skins news.

I have always thought Gruden was the wrong hire from the get-go. We should have hired Darrell Bevell.

The biggest problem facing RG3 is that he gets thrust back out onto the field without being fully rehabbed. Sure, his ankle may have been rehabbed and back to full strength, but HE wasn't rehabbed from the rehab for his ankle. For example, a curtain catches fire inside your house... You put the fire out and got a new curtain from amazon.com... You still didn't fix the burned part of the wall and all the scorch marks all over the windows and walls and ceiling. Then, you get fed up because it's an eyesore. So, the only logical response is to stop going into that room altogether and use another room without the scorches while considering knocking down the whole wall and building a new one? Maybe go into the other room for a few weeks, but only while you rehab the room until it's as good as new.

You don't simply throw away talent like that.

Sorry, these are excuses. RGIII can't read defenses, has poor foot work, and his pocket presence is awful. Contrary to what you guys claimed, he does not have the skills of Luck or Russell Wilson. Comparing RGIII to Luck at this stage really shows you how deficient RGIII is. He succeeded in his rookie year because Shanahan had a dumbed-down offense with a lot of bootlegs and designed runs.
 
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