Andrew Luck vs RG3

[eits]

http://nfltraderumors.co/2012-nfl-strength-of-schedule/

 

[eits]

You still haven't addressed the Colts beating the best teams in the league last season.

By the way, do you know how schedules are made in the NFL?

Why should I address that? It's football. "Any given Sunday"

And the Broncos didn't have a good defense in 2012.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Why should I address that? It's football. "Any given Sunday"

And the Broncos didn't have a good defense in 2012.

They did during the first part of the regular season and faded. The 49ers and Seahawks most certainly did.

The Colts play in a weak division. This isn't breaking news to anyone and skews their SoS number. If you swapped the Colts and Redskins, the Redskins would still struggle in the AFC South whereas the Colts would win the NFC East or be in a close fight with the Eagles.

Besides, this thread is about Luck vs. RGIII. If you put RGIII on the Colts, they're a 6-10 team at best. RGIII was at the helm against freaking Tampa and the Redskins got bombed. So if you want to talk about playing weak competition, let's look at that game as a recent unflattering example.

 

[eits]

Overrated

 

[purbeast0]

eits you should just stop digging, you are making yourself look like even more of a fool.

 

[Dirigible]

Has eits been nominated in the self ownage of the year thread yet?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Has eits been nominated in the self ownage of the year thread yet?

We probably should make that nomination.

eits you should just stop digging, you are making yourself look like even more of a fool.

If Andrew Luck is overrated, that must make RGIII a Ryan Leaf-esque bomb by comparison. And let's ignore what eits says about Luck and instead, recall some of his sage commentary on Russell Wilson -- like he was going to be sucking within 2 years.

 

[eits]

We probably should make that nomination.



If Andrew Luck is overrated, that must make RGIII a Ryan Leaf-esque bomb by comparison. And let's ignore what eits says about Luck and instead, recall some of his sage commentary on Russell Wilson -- like he was going to be sucking within 2 years.

Russell Wilson gets prehab, first off. Secondly, he isn't doing so well... But, then again, he doesn't have many options.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Russell Wilson gets prehab, first off. Secondly, he isn't doing so well... But, then again, he doesn't have many options.

Russell Wilson was the true rookie of the year and has already won a Super Bowl. I'll give you that he may not have as much athletic talent as top prospects at QB, but he has all the intangibles x 10. Also his QB rating so far is hovering around 95, which is pretty good.

 

[eits]

Russell Wilson was the true rookie of the year and has already won a Super Bowl. I'll give you that he may not have as much athletic talent as top prospects at QB, but he has all the intangibles x 10. Also his QB rating so far is hovering around 95, which is pretty good.

Let's get this straight... To say Russell Wilson won the Super Bowl is a bit of a stretch. The Seahawks defense won the Super Bowl. Russell Wilson is not better than Peyton Manning, but Peyton Manning was not better than the Seahawks defense.

But, yeah, he's surviving. He's a smart player who doesn't make uncalculated risks for a few extra yards, which is what ruined RG3. We'll have to see if anyone gives him the quality rehab necessary to get him to be awesome.

The Redskins have the WORST trainers in the NFL and the entire organization is a joke.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Let's get this straight... To say Russell Wilson won the Super Bowl is a bit of a stretch. The Seahawks defense won the Super Bowl. Russell Wilson is not better than Peyton Manning, but Peyton Manning was not better than the Seahawks defense.

But, yeah, he's surviving. He's a smart player who doesn't make uncalculated risks for a few extra yards, which is what ruined RG3. We'll have to see if anyone gives him the quality rehab necessary to get him to be awesome.

The Redskins have the WORST trainers in the NFL and the entire organization is a joke.

Look, I'll never disagree that the Redskins are one of the worst organizations in the NFL. In fact, I've long called them the "NFC Raiders" in that regard.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Interesting how this thread has changed. Basically everyone now knows that RG3 sucks so looks like the only way out (for some) is to drag Luck down with him.

Let's say Luck is overrated. Hypothetically of course. Where would you actually rank him? Right now he's in the near elite group in my opinion. Should he be in the group with Romo? Cutler? Mettenberger? Just how overrated is he?

People throw that term out because it's easy and convenient but never really put any meat behind it. Here's your chance. For example, would you trade Luck for Ryan?

 

[vi edit]

As of today, December 8th 2014...Rodgers is the only QB I'd take over Luck. End of story.

If you took every starting QB in the NFL and said "Pick one today and start a new franchise". Rodgers would be my first, Luck would be right behind him.

Yes. Elite.

 

[manimal]

As of today, December 8th 2014...Rodgers is the only QB I'd take over Luck. End of story.

If you took every starting QB in the NFL and said "Pick one today and start a new franchise". Rodgers would be my first, Luck would be right behind him.

Yes. Elite.

while I agree that rodgers is the man right now and still young you would have luck for much longer making him my pick.


Ive been lucky to see him play a ton live living here in indy. If he stays healthy we all know what hes gonna do. His game winning drives is all you need to look at. The colts have had issues on D and this guy keeps winning.

 

[vi edit]

And I wouldn't argue with you on that choice

Rodgers has another 5 brilliant years in him (unless a freak injury happens) before he hits that cliff that Manning and Brady seem to be at. Put him on a half way capable team and it's 5 superbowl runs.

Luck still has a bit of work on reads, accuracy and just a bit more polish overall to his game that Rodgers has already crafted.

 

[manimal]

And I wouldn't argue with you on that choice

Rodgers has another 5 brilliant years in him (unless a freak injury happens) before he hits that cliff that Manning and Brady seem to be at. Put him on a half way capable team and it's 5 superbowl runs.

Luck still has a bit of work on reads, accuracy and just a bit more polish overall to his game that Rodgers has already crafted.

Ya crazy thing is he can only get better at this point.


We also agree that we wouldnt trade six picks for rg3 right

 

[saratoga172]

And I wouldn't argue with you on that choice

Rodgers has another 5 brilliant years in him (unless a freak injury happens) before he hits that cliff that Manning and Brady seem to be at. Put him on a half way capable team and it's 5 superbowl runs.

Luck still has a bit of work on reads, accuracy and just a bit more polish overall to his game that Rodgers has already crafted.

The other big issue luck has is his turnover problem. They don't seem to prevent the team from finding ways to win (or him making a drive or two at the end to win), but with the ball security of Rogers I think they would be winning much more easily by 2-3 touchdowns instead of beating the Browns on a last drive effort.

I would take him over everyone but Rogers if starting a new franchise. Ask me this time next year and it'll likely be luck over Rogers because of the extra time he's got. If he got the turnover issue figured out there would be no question I'd take him. I still think Rogers is better today but give it 2 years and he may surpass him.

Don't forget Rogers had 3 years behind Favre to learn what to do and not do (int's anyone).

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Fran Tarkenton's opinion of RGIII:

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...iii-so-into-himself-will-never-make-it-120614

 

[IndyColtsFan]

The other big issue luck has is his turnover problem. They don't seem to prevent the team from finding ways to win (or him making a drive or two at the end to win), but with the ball security of Rogers I think they would be winning much more easily by 2-3 touchdowns instead of beating the Browns on a last drive effort.

Luck has had turnover problems lately, especially of the fumble variety. However, his TD : INT ratio is still impressive at 36:13. I think what we're seeing is that his offensive line is regressing big time and he is getting hit much more. Sooner or later, the front office is going to have to quit messing around and bring in offensive line talent (along with a new defensive coordinator).

I would take him over everyone but Rogers if starting a new franchise. Ask me this time next year and it'll likely be luck over Rogers because of the extra time he's got. If he got the turnover issue figured out there would be no question I'd take him. I still think Rogers is better today but give it 2 years and he may surpass him.

Don't forget Rogers had 3 years behind Favre to learn what to do and not do (int's anyone).

Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in football, no doubt in my mind. I'd put Luck behind him, Manning, and Brady at around fourth in the league.

Interesting how this thread has changed. Basically everyone now knows that RG3 sucks so looks like the only way out (for some) is to drag Luck down with him.

Let's say Luck is overrated. Hypothetically of course. Where would you actually rank him? Right now he's in the near elite group in my opinion. Should he be in the group with Romo? Cutler? Mettenberger? Just how overrated is he?

People throw that term out because it's easy and convenient but never really put any meat behind it. Here's your chance. For example, would you trade Luck for Ryan?

If I am starting a franchise from the ground up, it comes down to Rodgers and Luck. Rodgers is obviously the best player now but Luck is around 6 years younger so it is a judgment call over which you value more.

I don't think people understand how bad the Colts really are. They are nowhere near as good as they were last year. Sure, they have some skill position talent on offense but their defense is awful and their offensive line is a joke. They win because of Luck, just like the Colts won because of Manning.

 

[RPD]

I hate the Seahawks and to say Wilson is simply "surviving" is a flat out unfounded. He plays smart, uses his tools well and extends plays that (at least me) infuriates opposing team fans. I almost wish he had something I could hang my hat on him to dislike, but he's well spoken, does a lot of charity work and seems to care about his fans.

 

[KlokWyze]

RG3 has a high ceiling, but the Skins lack leadership @ the top and thus the middle as well. They don't know how to shape talent and build teams. Griffin has ego for sure and I'm surprised he wasn't more publically humble. Taking sack, after sack, after loss, after loss has hurt his confidence, but he's too arrogant to admit it.... and it's just a downward spiral in such a public position. You can't keep up that shit when not performance even basic moves. If he goes to the right offense, maybe Eagles, he will kill it if he learns how be a better teammate.

Luck is not only a great pocket passer, which will lead to greater longevity and a faster offense, but he's got the right personality to use his OL and receivers effectively. He will be up there with the greats if he stays healthy almost no question.

Russell Wilson is smart, effective and incredibly boring.

 

[KeithTalent]

Russell Wilson is smart, effective and incredibly boring.

Wha? I find him super exciting to watch. He's like a mini-Rodgers; smaller, weaker arm, but the same type of improvisation. That's why those two are probably my two favourite QBs to watch right now.

KT

 

[zinfamous]

I hate the Seahawks and to say Wilson is simply "surviving" is a flat out unfounded. He plays smart, uses his tools well and extends plays that (at least me) infuriates opposing team fans. I almost wish he had something I could hang my hat on him to dislike, but he's well spoken, does a lot of charity work and seems to care about his fans.

I know, right? I hate having to cheer for a a team coached by Pete Carrol, but I have to, because Wilson. I've nothing much against the Seahawks, either. But Carrol alone should be enough for me to hate them.

 

[smackababy]

Fran Tarkenton's opinion of RGIII:

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...iii-so-into-himself-will-never-make-it-120614

I agree with some of that. But, to think RG3 can't learn or doesn't have the work ethic to get better is where Tarkenton lost me. Washington was a bad place for him to go, and they did prop up his ego. And, it is getting checked.


As far as Luck, I'd put him under Rodgers and Brady for this season. He is still a bit rough around the edges. He is taking more sacks than he should (he is athletic enough to avoid more, IMO) and he is throwing too many ints. Some of that is a product of Indy not really having a running game, but he could improve. If I were putting together a franchise though, I'd take Luck over Rodgers, as I think his ceiling is nearly as high, with more years to do it. What he missed out on sitting behind a great like Rodger's did, he has shown to learn quick enough in these first seasons.

 

[eits]

Like I said, Andrew Luck is overrated.