IndyColtsFan, would you agree that as of today, now that the 2012 regular season is over, that RG3 gets the slight nod over Luck?
From a Colts fan.. okay I'm convinced.
Absolutely I would. I think Luck will be the better QB long-term and I'd obviously still take him over RG3 in a draft. That's what Redskins fans don't get and accuse me of "hating" RG3. I don't "hate" RG3 at all. If I see a Redskins fan spouting BS, I will call him on it though and that's why I'm attacked.
I think Alfred Morris deserves OROY, however.
Depends honestly on this offseasn.
Depends on how hard Luck can critique himself, and build his confidence from his first season and work ethic to get back in there next season.
I am sure he will, as he is a hard worker. But if he was to take the offseason easy, luck could be forgetton in half a decade or so.
I predict Luck will have a better season next year. I'm not sure the Colts will, but I think Luck will improve. In the last 4 games, they've tried hard to establish a run game and have had some decent results with Ballard and as a result, Luck has not had to force as many throws and has only thrown 1 legitimate INT. I think what we'll see is that Grigson will build the o-line and either get a back or see if Ballard can move into the upper echelon of backs with a better line.
luck 76.5
grifin 102.4
that mean you people are RAACISTS
It's a lot easier, and takes less QB talent to make a throw to a busted up play when he scrambles outside the pocket. Don't have to be near as accurate, receivers are more open.
That's why he's not as good a Luck as a QB or passer.
He's a run first QB, Luck is a supremely skilled passing QB and will go down as one of the greats.
Is anybody seriously trying to make the arugment that RG3 is a better passer than Luck? REALLY?
Russell Wilson's career will be worthless in the next two seasons. He will not stand the test of time.
Luck also shattered the rookie passing yards mark with nearly 4400 yards.
LOLOLOLOL. Seriously, just stop. Luck is regarded as the greatest player entering the draft since Manning and possibly Elway. Luck will have the better career and when he does (and if I'm still around AT), I will have fun. Just like I was right about Kolb and just like I was right about Vick, to name 2 recent examples.
Secondly, you still have not explained why RG3's passing was not affected last week (whereas his running clearly was) while magically the reverse happened this week. The only thing you said was "maybe he got a cortisone shot." "Maybe?"
Note the poll results. It gives me more faith in AT's football knowledge.
he also shattered the rookie pass attempts record, while putting up Favre-like INT numbers.
Funny I have the exact opposite intuition about Wilson than you do. I feel like Wilson is going to stick around for a long time and I see him as a superbowl winning QB. He's got the leadership and on-field ability to get it done.
I have a bad intuition about RG3. I feel like he's going to run into a wall or have a major injury. I hope I'm wrong because I love watching him play.
Seriously? I explained, in plain terms, the biomechanics of that ligament and why it hurts when he throws. Did you even watch the video to help better illustrate?
eits said:I'm not saying Luck sucks. However, I think you're way off in the comparison to Manning anytime soon. Manning is a genius at reading defenses once he steps up to the line.
The Colts had the 22 best rushing attack in the NFL. The Skins the best(though rg3 had something to do with that)
But, however you look at it, Luck had to win games on his arm and on his arm alone. RG3 didn't.
And you're still dodging my question. I didn't ask why it hurts when he throws, nor did I ask if it could affect his throws. I asked this:
Why was he able to put up great passing numbers against Philly the week before but not against Dallas? His running was clearly affected against Philly but he ran fine against Dallas. Both of these games occurred AFTER the knee injury.
I think you're grasping at straws. I have no doubt that his knee could affect his throws but to claim it made a HUGE difference in the Dallas game while making NO difference in the Philly game (where he had less time to heal) with no additional qualification seems disingenous. That is what I am asking you to explain. Did he reinjure it? Was he without a brace in Philly but had one in Dallas?
I'm comparing their rookie seasons and their similarities. Luck has had a far better rookie season than Manning did. I do see, however, that I was unclear -- I meant I thought Luck would have a better career than RG3, NOT Manning and Elway. Sorry for the confusion, that's my fault.
The Colts had the 22 best rushing attack in the NFL. The Skins the best(though rg3 had something to do with that)
But, however you look at it, Luck had to win games on his arm and on his arm alone. RG3 didn't.
therefore he's a better quarterback?
you're trying to limit the role and capabilities of a quarterback to someone who is limited to throwing. yeah, back in the 1950s, that was the only role of the quarterback, but the game has changed a lot since then... the position has changed a lot since then.
Look at past superbowl winners. They all have high volume passing QBs. Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Manning. Luck is in the same mold. He's a volume passer. As a rookie, he's already a damn good one.
Can you turn RG3 into a volume passer? Probably but he won't be able to maintain his high passer rating while I believe Luck can in the future.
thanks for the correction.
i am not one of rg3's doctors (yet ). i don't know solid facts about his condition. all i can do is speculate and incorporate my knowledge of sports medicine to infer that he probably got a cortisone injection for the philly game. you can't just shoot a player up with cortisone all the time... that's how you end up with season/career-ending injuries. you're limited to only three injections per year. you need to let the tissues heal from the inflammation rather than flush the inflammation out constantly and leave a weaker ligament.
i'm willing to bet that's why the skins sought an independent ortho to clear him for the philly game, because the team physicians couldn't.
Look at past superbowl winners. They all have high volume passing QBs. Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Manning. Luck is in the same mold. He's a volume passer. As a rookie, he's already a damn good one.
Can you turn RG3 into a volume passer? Probably but he won't be able to maintain his high passer rating while I believe Luck can in the future.