Andrew Luck vs RG3

[KeithTalent]

Yay, I was thinking about this thread today when the Bob Cubed news came out. So happy to see it bumped.

KT

 

[Miramonti]

Not sure if its been mentioned RG3 is getting a divorce and he has a new girl friend. How is this relevant to this topic I have no idea.

Heck yeah that's relevant. It shows he's not an f'ing idiot in everything he does, just what he gets paid to do.

 

[eits]

I thought he'd last 3 or 4 games at least.

same. this idiot...

 

[IndyColtsFan]

RGIII to be cut by the Browns. When you're not good enough to make the Browns roster.....

 

[Thebobo]

RGIII to be cut by the Browns. When you're not good enough to make the Browns roster.....

Dang I was hoping to watch him this season. Wonder if anyone picks him up.

 

[Jimzz]

RGIII to be cut by the Browns. When you're not good enough to make the Browns roster.....

Not just that, but released after they traded for Brock Osweiler.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall for that conversation.

Browns: So RG3, we are going to let you go. We just traded for another QB.
RG3: Oh were you able to get Romo?
Browns: Ahhh no...
RG3: Oh man, don't say Kirk?
Browns: No... we wish.
RG3: We'll who was it that you got that makes you drop me to keep him?
Bronws: ehhhhh... Brock Osweiler.
RG3: ... Brock... Brock Osweiler???
Browns: We'll good luck... see ya.

 

[zinfamous]

Dang I was hoping to watch him this season. Wonder if anyone picks him up.

Chicago just bought a lower mid-range QB. They are perfect candidates for over-paying on RGIII.

 

[Triumph]

RG-3 would've been better served by simply learning how to catch a ball and run some routes, and use all that speed as a deep threat receiver.

 

[glenn1]

RG-3 would've been better served by simply learning how to catch a ball and run some routes, and use all that speed as a deep threat receiver.

No kidding. The dude should have at very least been able to carve out a Kordell "Slash" Stewart type career in the NFL.

 

[purbeast0]

RG-3 would've been better served by simply learning how to catch a ball and run some routes, and use all that speed as a deep threat receiver.

Yeah and the first time me gets tackled he will explode.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

When you're not good enough to make the Browns roster.....

You have a chance to make it as a backup on a decent team.

 

[LevelSea]

Dang I was hoping to watch him this season. Wonder if anyone picks him up.

Keep an eye out in your local arena football league!

 

[Thebobo]

Keep an eye out in your local arena football league!

Harsh!

 

[JujuFish]

If he wasn't so fragile, I'd say he'd make a good backup in Buffalo, since the offense they ran last year would have been perfectly suited to his pre-injury skills.

 

[glenn1]

If he wasn't so fragile, I'd say he'd make a good backup in Buffalo, since the offense they ran last year would have been perfectly suited to his pre-injury skills.

Was wondering WTF you were talking about until I looked up the stats - 30th in the league in passing attempts and passing yards, and #1 in rushing attempts and yards. Now your statement makes perfect sense. RG3 and Colin Kaepernick can backup Mark Sanchez or whoever else the Bills can fool into taking the starting job.

 

[pete6032]

This thread deserves it's annual bump. Luck is playing at a high level and RG3 is a third stringer in Baltimore.

 

[Jimzz]

This thread deserves it's annual bump. Luck is playing at a high level and RG3 is a third stringer in Baltimore.

Yet he may be 2nd on the chart next year. Similar playing style to Jackson and Flaco is on the way out.

 

[zinfamous]

This thread deserves it's annual bump. Luck is playing at a high level and RG3 is a third stringer in Baltimore.

yeah, Luck is back to early career form; and "ROB" went out on an injury, again, as a backup, as expected...but history to date shows that Wilson is still the clear winner!

FUCK YEAH!

 

[zinfamous]

Yet he may be 2nd on the chart next year. Similar playing style to Jackson and Flaco is on the way out.

Jackson is a terrible QB, though. The guy has no brains. Rob may be starting if Baltimore doesn't do something smart.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

yeah, Luck is back to early career form; and "ROB" went out on an injury, again, as a backup, as expected...but history to date shows that Wilson is still the clear winner!

FUCK YEAH!

Luck is a better QB than Wilson. Wilson has had a better team around him for most of his career. That is changing fast with Indy’s new offensive line, however.

 

[zinfamous]

Luck is a better QB than Wilson. Wilson has had a better team around him for most of his career. That is changing fast with Indy’s new offensive line, however.

Just as Peyton is a better QB than Tom, ...but he isn't really. Can't deny the records. Peyton had to deal with the same shit that Luck has to now, and for most their abilities to make those shit teams succeed in any way is rather telling, but there is still the history.

Wilson has had a shitty O-Line his entire career as well, was excellent in some of those years but fell off a bit recently. He has one this year, and he's playing extremely well. I can't at this point make the hilarious claim that Luck is better than Wilson, because he simply isn't in every metric you gauge QBs. I *think* he is, but the simple fact is that he currently isn't.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Since he loves unqualified jackasses that lie out of their ass constantly, did Turmp make eits the Surgeon General? Maybe not, since it seems that Turmp fancies himself as a bit of a gynecologist and so even Turmp isn't dumb enough to mistake NFL players with cheerleaders, so he'd be more qualified than eits. Maybe he's just the official chiropractor of the Turmp administration? Er, I mean, the Turmp Cheerleaders (so those one girls that did the little skit at the rally, where Turmp didn't pay them after promising he would or whatever?). Suddenly Turmp's doctor saying he's in perfect health makes sense. Turmp probably just had his wife or daughter get the exam knowing eits wouldn't know the difference between a 270+lb man and a 125lb woman.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Just as Peyton is a better QB than Tom, ...but he isn't really. Can't deny the records. Peyton had to deal with the same shit that Luck has to now, and for most their abilities to make those shit teams succeed in any way is rather telling, but there is still the history.

Wilson has had a shitty O-Line his entire career as well, was excellent in some of those years but fell off a bit recently. He has one this year, and he's playing extremely well. I can't at this point make the hilarious claim that Luck is better than Wilson, because he simply isn't in every metric you gauge QBs. I *think* he is, but the simple fact is that he currently isn't.

Ok, I stand corrected - I didn't realize Wilson was having as good a season as he is having or even as he did last year. Still, Luck's season is special given the major surgery he had. Remember, just a few months ago, doubts were swirling that he'd ever play again. I'd personally still take Luck. And the Pro Bowl snub in favor of Tom Brady? LOL, what a joke, but I guess it doesn't matter since no one cares about the Pro Bowl. Darius Leonard also got snubbed big time.

(Also, if we're speaking about records, let's talk about head to head records at the highest level where they could actually compete against one another in a game. If I remember correctly, Peyton was 3-1 against Brady in the AFC Championship.)

But regardless of all of that, we're guilty of derailing the thread, which is about Luck vs RGIII. @eits , care to comment?

 

[darkswordsman17]

Just as Peyton is a better QB than Tom, ...but he isn't really. Can't deny the records. Peyton had to deal with the same shit that Luck has to now, and for most their abilities to make those shit teams succeed in any way is rather telling, but there is still the history.

Wilson has had a shitty O-Line his entire career as well, was excellent in some of those years but fell off a bit recently. He has one this year, and he's playing extremely well. I can't at this point make the hilarious claim that Luck is better than Wilson, because he simply isn't in every metric you gauge QBs. I *think* he is, but the simple fact is that he currently isn't.

Where the fuck are people getting this shit that Manning was on shit teams? I'd be fine with people arguing that other players had better all around teams (like Brees the year they beat the Colts, Brady consistently did), but Manning was hardly on that bad of teams. And he had some great skill players around him. Luck has had far worse teams than Manning had. I'd say Luck's had better coaches though.

Did Wilson fall off or did people stop paying attention because the team fell off a bit? Looking at stats, his 2016 was a bit of a down year after taking a big step forward in 2015, but 2017 was quite solid and inline with 2015, and 2018 is in line with both of those. I think Wilson has actually been pretty consistently solid to good. The defense kinda fell apart and of course losing Marshawn Lynch is more the cause of the Seahawks not being what they were.

Luck and Wilson are both consistently good to great QBs. They're actually kinda similar (avg 27-27.5TDs/year, Wilson averages 4-5 less INTs and has a ~4-5% better completion rate, but less yds/gm - although a lot of that was due to more run offense his earlier years so arguably he's the better QB but due to worse defense Luck is gonna be chucking more so I think they're more evenly matched). Good to see Luck seems to be back from injuries.

But really, Luck, RG3, Wilson, its all moot now that Patrick Mahomes II has arrived.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Where the fuck are people getting this shit that Manning was on shit teams? I'd be fine with people arguing that other players had better all around teams (like Brees the year they beat the Colts, Brady consistently did), but Manning was hardly on that bad of teams. And he had some great skill players around him. Luck has had far worse teams than Manning had. I'd say Luck's had better coaches though.

Did Wilson fall off or did people stop paying attention because the team fell off a bit? Looking at stats, his 2016 was a bit of a down year after taking a big step forward in 2015, but 2017 was quite solid and inline with 2015, and 2018 is in line with both of those. I think Wilson has actually been pretty consistently solid to good. The defense kinda fell apart and of course losing Marshawn Lynch is more the cause of the Seahawks not being what they were.

Luck and Wilson are both consistently good to great QBs. They're actually kinda similar (avg 27-27.5TDs/year, Wilson averages 4-5 less INTs and has a ~4-5% better completion rate, but less yds/gm - although a lot of that was due to more run offense his earlier years so arguably he's the better QB but due to worse defense Luck is gonna be chucking more so I think they're more evenly matched). Good to see Luck seems to be back from injuries.

But really, Luck, RG3, Wilson, its all moot now that Patrick Mahomes II has arrived.

Manning was on some good Colts teams during the middle of his tenure, but around 2007 or so, Bill Polian and Chris Polian started letting the offensive line go to hell by not resigning anyone and drafting folks who couldn't play. That's when the sacks started piling up and eventually resulted in Manning getting knocked out for the 2011 season because he reinjured a nagging neck injury. The jury is still out on who had better coaches, but I like what I see from Frank Reich and his staff very much.

I've been taking a bit of a break from the NFL and didn't realize Wilson was still performing very well - with the Seahawks not doing well the last couple of years (this season excluded), I probably assumed he was struggling but I was wrong.