Android Authority does a blind survey of cameras...

JeffMD

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Quickly turned into a troll fest for sure, but the sentiment wasn't wrong. Asking the internet what picture looks best in a picture they opened in a browser overlay with no access to zoom tools and such is going to be very opinionated.

On the other hand after reading the authors test with all the phones being in the #1 spot on some test led me to believe none of them were perfect, but they were all good at something and only one failed catastrophically (ironically, the iphone on that night shot).
 

dawheat

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I though the issue with this test is that it wasn't blind. Basically from day 1 of the poll, comments had established which image was from each phone bc they didn't remove or hide it in the image properties. So people questioned the results.

I don't think the iPhone has won a truly blind test in a bit of time though the differences between the top phones are minor.
 

nOOky

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What I see is that smart phones now take images good enough for most people most of the time. If your phone is handy and available, it's going to be what you use to take photos. My expensive camera sits in a drawer hardly being used, even on vacations is such a pain to lug around.
I have the LG G4, but it looks to me like most of the high end phones including those in this test are more than adequate for what I need their camera to do. Of course continuous improvements will always be appreciated, but I'm happy with what I have.

My only qualm about modern day Facebook photographers is the over-processed junk they post that looks nothing like real life. This time of year the majority of the fall colors photos I'm seeing online look nothing like reality.
 

openwheel

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Not surprised if either Apple or Samsung cheated with fan boy support. Those guys take this Apple vs Android competition way too seriously.

However, I am not surprised that iPhone 6S and Note 5 are neck and neck. Within 5% variance tolerance. It's a toss up. All I know is my wife finally has a decent camera with her 6S+ so I don't have to take all the photos when we go out.

Also, this means the upcoming S7 will be even better since iPhone is no longer a no brainer anymore. I am ready to upgrade.
 
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Mopetar

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Asking the internet what picture looks best in a picture they opened in a browser overlay with no access to zoom tools and such is going to be very opinionated.

That's probably how most people view photos though, so it's hardly a bad approach. If you want an expert opinion (there are plenty of sites that do this) then an open internet poll is a bad idea to begin with.

Most people aren't expert photographers and just want an image that will look decent.

All that aside, they should probably have mixed the cameras around for each photo so that there's no connection by letter from one to the other. I'd also throw a high-end DSLR in there for good measure as well.
 

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What I see is that smart phones now take images good enough for most people most of the time. If your phone is handy and available, it's going to be what you use to take photos. My expensive camera sits in a drawer hardly being used, even on vacations is such a pain to lug around.
I have the LG G4, but it looks to me like most of the high end phones including those in this test are more than adequate for what I need their camera to do. Of course continuous improvements will always be appreciated, but I'm happy with what I have.

My only qualm about modern day Facebook photographers is the over-processed junk they post that looks nothing like real life. This time of year the majority of the fall colors photos I'm seeing online look nothing like reality.

Phone cameras with the Sony IMX214 sensor available more than 2 years ago already produces excellent images, to the point I find any improvements pretty much superfluous in day to day use.
 

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Leaving the exif info in was pretty stupid. The only thing I noticed across the board, squinting at the thumbnails, is that the iPhone consistently produced higher contrast images which makes the thumbnail-scale images pop a bit more.
 

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lol, i have a friend who lives right there, 2 min walk away.
t turned out to be quite a close-run race between the iPhone 6S and the Galaxy Note 5 for the title but Apple’s latest just beat Samsung’s latest with 38.2 and 34.1 percent of the 7810 votes
besides the fact that it's a poll, they performed equally well and you get to not be an Apple slave with the Note 5 (as yet unreleased).
hard to say "i6 wins"
 

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Leaving the exif info in was pretty stupid. The only thing I noticed across the board, squinting at the thumbnails, is that the iPhone consistently produced higher contrast images which makes the thumbnail-scale images pop a bit more.

That's the problem - it was obvious from nearly the start of the poll since which phone was which was discussed in the comments.

I'm fine with the results in general, but it wasn't blind.
 

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Phone cameras with the Sony IMX214 sensor available more than 2 years ago already produces excellent images, to the point I find any improvements pretty much superfluous in day to day use.

Yeah, at this point on most of the high end phones, these comparisons are kind of silly. No one is going to notice the difference. They all take great pictures. The last concert I went to I took some videos with my Nexus 6. People are amazed how good a video a newer phone can take instead of saying "well, my xxxx does better!"
 

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Yeah, at this point on most of the high end phones, these comparisons are kind of silly. No one is going to notice the difference. They all take great pictures. The last concert I went to I took some videos with my Nexus 6. People are amazed how good a video a newer phone can take instead of saying "well, my xxxx does better!"

I can see a point to them still. They pop the balloon of the Specs Are All That Matter camp. Your phone has a 20-megapixel camera, or an f/1.9 lens? Great! Too bad an iPhone's 12-megapixel camera and f/2.2 lens produce the photos people ultimately prefer. Camera quality is as much about image processing code as the hardware, and it's important to remember that.
 

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Leaving the exif info in was pretty stupid. The only thing I noticed across the board, squinting at the thumbnails, is that the iPhone consistently produced higher contrast images which makes the thumbnail-scale images pop a bit more.

I agree with both of these points. Leaving in the exif information was a stupid blunder and ruined the "blind" nature of the poll completely. And I also agree that the iPhone contrast seemed to make the photos more dynamic in the comparison which make them stand out better. Whether or not this is something that a true photographer thinks is a good thing isn't something I know, but I know that I personally liked the iPhone 6S the best with the Note 5 pulling a very close second.

I also agree with the general sentiment that all of them take very good pictures.

I don't think these sorts of camera shoot-outs are a complete waste of time though. The camera on my phone is in the top 3 things that I look for in a phone. I don't carry a regular camera any more and I take all photos and videos with my phone - I want the best camera/videocamera that I can get because if I'm going to take a video of my daughters first solo singing concert, I want it to look the best that it can. It might be that "they are all good" but I can tell which one I like and so I think they are all acceptable, but I know which ones that I liked the best.

I particularly like shoot-outs where all of them are taking the same shot at the same time rather than trying to figure out the best camera from a half-dozen separate phone reviews using different shots.
 
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dawheat

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I can see a point to them still. They pop the balloon of the Specs Are All That Matter camp. Your phone has a 20-megapixel camera, or an f/1.9 lens? Great! Too bad an iPhone's 12-megapixel camera and f/2.2 lens produce the photos people ultimately prefer. Camera quality is as much about image processing code as the hardware, and it's important to remember that.

That's a bad conclusion imo. I think different hardware and software choices do matter as it results in cameras excelling in different scenarios. I think it's pretty clear there are better low light cameras than the iPhone - making that f/1.9 lens important for example if those conditions are important to you. None of these top cameras are bad unlike previous years but they are different.

Other blind test:
http://gsmarena.com/iphone_6s_galaxy_s6_xperia_z5-review-1329p2.php

I also think usability and speed are equally important - camera quality doesn't matter if it's taking over a second to focus.That's what separates the best cameras from the pretty good.
 
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thats fine. but if I really wanted a good camera I dont think I'd start with a smartphone. For casual shots and maybe car accidents, my Z3 is more than good enough. For real photography I have a Canon.
 

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That's a bad conclusion imo. I think different hardware and software choices do matter as it results in cameras excelling in different scenarios. I think it's pretty clear there are better low light cameras than the iPhone - making that f/1.9 lens important for example if those conditions are important to you. None of these top cameras are bad unlike previous years but they are different.

Other blind test:
http://m.gsmarena.com/iphone_6s_galaxy_s6_xperia_z5-review-1329p2.php

I also think usability and speed are equally important - camera quality doesn't matter if it's taking over a second to focus.

All these blind (or not so blind) tests have there flaws. My personal opinion the Note 5 did the best on the Android Authority test. That isn't to say it took the best pictures in every test but none of the pictures it took was horrible. Unlike the other phones that had one of two shots that exposed a weakness in the camera. Ie. iPhone Adidas sign to dark, exposure issue with sky, LG reflection picture washed out, Z5 hue issues with sky and green sign color way off. The Note 5 didn't have these issues and in a sense it is the most consistent and imo the best camera out of the ones tested.

The GSM arena blind test (before the reveal) was horrible imo as the FOV really affects ones perception of the results and samples were downscaled and only partial crops was provided to base a judgement on. There's no perfect test but imo it appears the Song is another model that does good on the artificial DXOmark tests but fails to deliver in real world use.
 

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I can see a point to them still. They pop the balloon of the Specs Are All That Matter camp. Your phone has a 20-megapixel camera, or an f/1.9 lens? Great! Too bad an iPhone's 12-megapixel camera and f/2.2 lens produce the photos people ultimately prefer. Camera quality is as much about image processing code as the hardware, and it's important to remember that.
Some say you can work it with smaller package, but most girls still prefer a big package to begin with. Just saying.....

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thats fine. but if I really wanted a good camera I dont think I'd start with a smartphone. For casual shots and maybe car accidents, my Z3 is more than good enough. For real photography I have a Canon.

Perhaps you misread the post(s) and the point of the thread.
 

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I can see a point to them still. They pop the balloon of the Specs Are All That Matter camp. Your phone has a 20-megapixel camera, or an f/1.9 lens? Great! Too bad an iPhone's 12-megapixel camera and f/2.2 lens produce the photos people ultimately prefer. Camera quality is as much about image processing code as the hardware, and it's important to remember that.

Especially when you're dealing with such a tiny sensor. There is only so much detail you can actually pull out of such tiny pixels. The iphone shots I've seen so far have been really good about retaining sky detail. They have an auto HDR function that seems to be working really well. Plus using the screen as a selfie flash is just genius.
 

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Especially when you're dealing with such a tiny sensor. There is only so much detail you can actually pull out of such tiny pixels. The iphone shots I've seen so far have been really good about retaining sky detail. They have an auto HDR function that seems to be working really well. Plus using the screen as a selfie flash is just genius.

That was what I noticed the most. It was the only one that kept blue in the sky. But it did come at the cost of somewhat underexposing the foreground (telephone booth for example). While all the others overexposed the clouds.
 
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