Anger toward God. Warranted?? Anybody else pissed at God right now???

[XxPrOdiGyxX]

Originally posted by: dNor
CURSE YOU ZEUS! CURRRRSEE YOUUU!

lol

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: TehMac

If it's so silly, why can't you, who are all mature and omniscent people, just laugh and move on, instead of making a big production out of it all?

Why can't you mature believers just laugh at us without making a big production? I see a LOT more promoting of gods existing then I see promoting that he doesn't exist.

Even my family, who knows what I believe, will mention something about god to me every once in a while.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
What amazes me is not how many folks on ATOT don't believe but, how many are so vehement and apparently angry/disdainful of those who do. I talk to atheists every day but, I don't believe in them.

It might have something to do with the fact that religion is a poison.

You don't believe in athiests? So does that make you an athiest athiest?

Religion is a poison ? How so ?

People on this forum act like all people who believe in religion are crazy wackos like some cult or commune. I am not part of any organized religion but I have met many people who are. Those people are some of the most caring and understanding people you could ever meet.

You may think it makes you look superior saying there is not God, that all religions suck, but in reality it only makes you look ill informed.

A few examples:

- Holocaust
- Serb/Bosnian War
- Iraq
- Israel/Palestine conflicts
- Darfur

Again you are ill informed.
Learn about the religions you are trying to use for examples. NONE of them condone any of your examples.

If someone kills 50 people and says it was because God told him to, it is no different than someone saying they did it because his wife wrote him a letter telling him to. Only the letter does not say anything of the sort.


I believed what was going on with terrorists was what their religion said to do because it is what the media publicized. I read a copy of the Koran myself and found out it says nothing of the sort.

The Koran does not, but all the Hadiths that the faith add on to it does.

If mankind is created in God's own image, are not our actions divinely inspired(the good and evil)?

What some people do in the name of religion does not mean that religion is at fault. It is nothing more than a man making excuses for his actions . Where did God say we are created in his image ?

You cannot take the context of the majority of the bible literally.

 

[XxPrOdiGyxX]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Do you know what the ironic thing is? God actually prefers you and other atheists over me. I am not completely devoted and nor is my faith complete...so I am considered lukewarm because I have my doubts and reservations.

Revelations:
"Since you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, I am going to spit you out of my mouth."

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Have you ever considered that God might not be omnipotent? There is little if any support for the concept of God's omnipotence in the Bible. On the contrary, one of the pillars of Christian belief is that God has granted us the gift of free will. In other words, God doesn't control us or our actions. If you can accept the fact that something exists outside of God's power, then by definition God is not omnipotent.

If you can buy into the idea that God doesn't control everything, then it becomes easy to understand that evil is not His creation.

Alright, so let's say that God is "very" powerful. How powerful is that? Sufficiently so to destroy evil? Insufficiently powerful to let evil take over?
And when does God intervene? First there's original sin, where he punished all of humanity for something that Adam and Eve did. That's a pretty dickish move on God's part. Aren't you glad your grandparents aren't punishing you for something your parents did? Maybe one of your ancestors murdered someone. Is it fair for you to get a life sentence from birth?
Then there's the Great Flood of the Bible. God kills most life on Earth (Except for fresh-water aquatic lifeforms, I guess he was ok with them.)
Then God creates a son who is to die for humanity's sins, and apparently created a Holy Ghost in the process.

Three pretty significant events where God intervened on a significant scale, undermining the "gift" of free will. So by the Bible's measuring, God can do some pretty serious stuff, and he doesn't screw around when he wants to. Someone usually is going to die when he metes out justice.

He also supposedly has some kind of grand plan, but we don't know what it is. And if God isn't all-powerful, maybe evil forces confined him 5000 years ago, and we're all living out Satan's plan right now. That whole Jesus thing was just a ruse by Satan, and we're all looking forward to Jesus' return, but it will actually be the apocalypse - with no one ascending to Heaven. How would we know any of this? Faith? And you think Satan wouldn't be counting on that?

If God is all-powerful, there are problems due to him having infinite power.
If God is not all-powerful, then there are problems associated with trusting whatever higher power might be ruling over us, and the capability of that power to accomplish its goals, whatever they may be.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

What some people do in the name of religion does not mean that religion is at fault. It is nothing more than a man making excuses for his actions . Where did God say we are created in his image ?

You cannot take the context of the majority of the bible literally.

"Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. - (Gen. 1:26-27 NIV)"

I don't see how you can "interpret" it differently

 

[40Hands]

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
What amazes me is not how many folks on ATOT don't believe but, how many are so vehement and apparently angry/disdainful of those who do. I talk to atheists every day but, I don't believe in them.

You know, I think a lot of people (including myself) would be a little more considerate towards people of faith if said people wouldn't try to push their moral/religious beliefs into our lives. I know not all of them do but there is quite the group entangled within our government at the moment who do.

Just a thought!

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Modelworks

What some people do in the name of religion does not mean that religion is at fault. It is nothing more than a man making excuses for his actions . Where did God say we are created in his image ?

You cannot take the context of the majority of the bible literally.

"Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. - (Gen. 1:26-27 NIV)"

I don't see how you can "interpret" it differently

Ok lets take it apart.

Let us make man in our image, in our likeness

Us ? That implies more than one being.
image, likeness - so we were designed to look like them . Two arms, two legs and a head.

Now really think about it. You are a person living thousands of years ago. You are trying to come up with the idea of where you came from . The only thing you have are stories passed from person to person. If you read about the origins of Genesis and how it was written , it was passed down over generations, so that has to be taken into account.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: TehMac

If it's so silly, why can't you, who are all mature and omniscent people, just laugh and move on, instead of making a big production out of it all?

Why can't you mature believers just laugh at us without making a big production? I see a LOT more promoting of gods existing then I see promoting that he doesn't exist.

Even my family, who knows what I believe, will mention something about god to me every once in a while.

Well, I'm not your family, so I can't say one way or the other. All I see is one guy who made a post, and people who aren't so seriously minded about their faith, jumping on him and making antics that are reminiscent of a two year old's. I'm not saying one side is superior than the other, but some of the comments on this board are just childish, and the tendency is that it's the side which prefers atheism.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Modelworks

What some people do in the name of religion does not mean that religion is at fault. It is nothing more than a man making excuses for his actions . Where did God say we are created in his image ?

You cannot take the context of the majority of the bible literally.

"Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. - (Gen. 1:26-27 NIV)"

I don't see how you can "interpret" it differently

Ok lets take it apart.

Let us make man in our image, in our likeness

Us ? That implies more than one being.
image, likeness - so we were designed to look like them . Two arms, two legs and a head.

Now really think about it. You are a person living thousands of years ago. You are trying to come up with the idea of where you came from . The only thing you have are stories passed from person to person. If you read about the origins of Genesis and how it was written , it was passed down over generations, so that has to be taken into account.

So in other words mankind made up religion kind of like fables and tall tales?

 

[shocksyde]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: shocksyde

A few examples:

- Holocaust
- Serb/Bosnian War
- Iraq
- Israel/Palestine conflicts
- Darfur

Again you are ill informed.
Learn about the religions you are trying to use for examples. NONE of them condone any of your examples.

If someone kills 50 people and says it was because God told him to, it is no different than someone saying they did it because his wife wrote him a letter telling him to. Only the letter does not say anything of the sort.


I believed what was going on with terrorists was what their religion said to do because it is what the media publicized. I read a copy of the Koran myself and found out it says nothing of the sort.

Ill informed? The holocaust wasn't about religion? What the hell are you talking about?

No it was not about religion. Please site the religious text that says to kill millions.

Ethnic cleansing of Jews = not about religion? You're so brainwashed, it's laughable.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: XxPrOdiGyxX

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Do you know what the ironic thing is? God actually prefers you and other atheists over me. I am not completely devoted and nor is my faith complete...so I am considered lukewarm because I have my doubts and reservations.
...

That is fucked up for you. I don't buy it, since I don't buy the whole god/religion thing. But for someone who does, it must be pretty insulting trying to get next to somebody and then they brush you off for someone that isn't even interested.

This is one of the unattractive things about religion. You're easily screwed at any juncture.

 

[XxPrOdiGyxX]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: XxPrOdiGyxX

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Do you know what the ironic thing is? God actually prefers you and other atheists over me. I am not completely devoted and nor is my faith complete...so I am considered lukewarm because I have my doubts and reservations.
...

That is fucked up for you. I don't buy it, since I don't buy the whole god/religion thing. But for someone who does, it must be pretty insulting trying to get next to somebody and then they brush you off for someone that isn't even interested.

This is one of the unattractive things about religion. You're easily screwed at any juncture.

Meh, I take it for what it is. Anyway, I'll stay out of this thread now. Sorry if you misinterpreted my posts as trying to push my beliefs on you, but that was not the case.

 

[shocksyde]

My favorite part of religion is when both teams pray to God for a win before a big game. God will obviously choose the team he has money on.

 

[uhohs]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
I always wonder why I never see christians cheering at funerals. Seems like the logical thing to do considering their beliefs. Just something I think about every now and then...

well i don't know about cheering, since the deceased will still be missed by loved ones even if they know he's with the Lord now. but there are funerals that aren't really mournful or depressing but just a time to remember the deceased a bit and share some time with others that cared for them.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: shocksyde
My favorite part of religion is when both teams pray to God for a win before a big game. God will obviously choose the team he has money on.

What, the suicide bombings, crusades, pedo-priests, and tax-exempt status dont do anything for you?


Eh you're right, the praying for sports is pretty good.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

I lack the sufficient information to become angry or even form an opinion about a situation I will probably never fully understand.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: shocksyde

A few examples:

- Holocaust
- Serb/Bosnian War
- Iraq
- Israel/Palestine conflicts
- Darfur

Again you are ill informed.
Learn about the religions you are trying to use for examples. NONE of them condone any of your examples.

If someone kills 50 people and says it was because God told him to, it is no different than someone saying they did it because his wife wrote him a letter telling him to. Only the letter does not say anything of the sort.


I believed what was going on with terrorists was what their religion said to do because it is what the media publicized. I read a copy of the Koran myself and found out it says nothing of the sort.

Ill informed? The holocaust wasn't about religion? What the hell are you talking about?

No it was not about religion. Please site the religious text that says to kill millions.

Ethnic cleansing of Jews = not about religion? You're so brainwashed, it's laughable.

It was about killing people that belonged to a religion. It was not a religion that caused the killing, but hate of a religion.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: uhohs

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
I always wonder why I never see christians cheering at funerals. Seems like the logical thing to do considering their beliefs. Just something I think about every now and then...

well i don't know about cheering, since the deceased will still be missed by loved ones even if they know he's with the Lord now. but there are funerals that aren't really mournful or depressing but just a time to remember the deceased a bit and share some time with others that cared for them.

This is exactly the type of comment that I was referring to earlier, because of the reference to "the Lord". It doesn't offend me at all, but religious people promote their beliefs a hell of a lot more then non-believers push their beliefs.

In fact, it's completely understandable and almost expected that a religious person would say this, but don't cry when a non-believer says what they believe too.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: XxPrOdiGyxX

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: XxPrOdiGyxX

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Do you know what the ironic thing is? God actually prefers you and other atheists over me. I am not completely devoted and nor is my faith complete...so I am considered lukewarm because I have my doubts and reservations.
...

That is fucked up for you. I don't buy it, since I don't buy the whole god/religion thing. But for someone who does, it must be pretty insulting trying to get next to somebody and then they brush you off for someone that isn't even interested.

This is one of the unattractive things about religion. You're easily screwed at any juncture.

Meh, I take it for what it is. Anyway, I'll stay out of this thread now. Sorry if you misinterpreted my posts as trying to push my beliefs on you, but that was not the case.

I don't thing you were pushing your beliefs on me. It appeared though that you were pushing christian religious dogma on to someone else and I couldn't not say anything.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
What amazes me is not how many folks on ATOT don't believe but, how many are so vehement and apparently angry/disdainful of those who do. I talk to atheists every day but, I don't believe in them.

It might have something to do with the fact that religion is a poison.

You don't believe in athiests? So does that make you an athiest athiest?

Religion is a poison ? How so ?

People on this forum act like all people who believe in religion are crazy wackos like some cult or commune. I am not part of any organized religion but I have met many people who are. Those people are some of the most caring and understanding people you could ever meet.

You may think it makes you look superior saying there is not God, that all religions suck, but in reality it only makes you look ill informed.

A few examples:

- Holocaust
- Serb/Bosnian War
- Iraq
- Israel/Palestine conflicts
- Darfur

Again you are ill informed.
Learn about the religions you are trying to use for examples. NONE of them condone any of your examples.

If someone kills 50 people and says it was because God told him to, it is no different than someone saying they did it because his wife wrote him a letter telling him to. Only the letter does not say anything of the sort.


I believed what was going on with terrorists was what their religion said to do because it is what the media publicized. I read a copy of the Koran myself and found out it says nothing of the sort.

The Koran does not, but all the Hadiths that the faith add on to it does.

If mankind is created in God's own image, are not our actions divinely inspired(the good and evil)?

What some people do in the name of religion does not mean that religion is at fault. It is nothing more than a man making excuses for his actions . Where did God say we are created in his image ?

You cannot take the context of the majority of the bible literally.

you are under the misguided idea that all religion is good. it is not.

if i recall, in one of the first books of the bible is not one of gods first orders is for a man to sacrifice his son to prove his faith? wtf kind of god would request that of a follower?

oh, never mind it was just a test......in which case I have to ask wtf kind of god tests his followers faith?

do you test your child's love by telling him or her to kill a favorite pet?

if it was not against the law, some people would still be performing ritual sacrifices of their fellow men. (children and women would be most vulnerable targets)

Religion is about one thing, what people make of it, in your world all religion is good and there is no violence, there is no ill-will, there is no hatred there is no killing in the name of religion because your ideology does not permit that sort of thing.

The reality is this is untrue because religion is either an invention of man or is up to his sole discretion to interpret. There are "evil" people in the world, hence there will be evil interpretations of is believed to be divine word.

 

[Fritzo]

I get mad at God everytime I look at the hair left on my head.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: shocksyde

A few examples:

- Holocaust
- Serb/Bosnian War
- Iraq
- Israel/Palestine conflicts
- Darfur

Again you are ill informed.
Learn about the religions you are trying to use for examples. NONE of them condone any of your examples.

If someone kills 50 people and says it was because God told him to, it is no different than someone saying they did it because his wife wrote him a letter telling him to. Only the letter does not say anything of the sort.


I believed what was going on with terrorists was what their religion said to do because it is what the media publicized. I read a copy of the Koran myself and found out it says nothing of the sort.

Ill informed? The holocaust wasn't about religion? What the hell are you talking about?

No it was not about religion. Please site the religious text that says to kill millions.

Ethnic cleansing of Jews = not about religion? You're so brainwashed, it's laughable.

It was about killing people that belonged to a religion. It was not a religion that caused the killing, but hate of a religion.

Actually, it was more about money and the associated power. Hitler needed some issues that people could rally around - like gay marriage.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Modelworks

What some people do in the name of religion does not mean that religion is at fault. It is nothing more than a man making excuses for his actions . Where did God say we are created in his image ?

You cannot take the context of the majority of the bible literally.

"Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. - (Gen. 1:26-27 NIV)"

I don't see how you can "interpret" it differently

Ok lets take it apart.

Let us make man in our image, in our likeness

Us ? That implies more than one being.
image, likeness - so we were designed to look like them . Two arms, two legs and a head.

Now really think about it. You are a person living thousands of years ago. You are trying to come up with the idea of where you came from . The only thing you have are stories passed from person to person. If you read about the origins of Genesis and how it was written , it was passed down over generations, so that has to be taken into account.

So in other words mankind made up religion kind of like fables and tall tales?

Sort of.
It is more like religion is based on stories of the time they were written and if God did anything during that time , it was explained the best way they could with what they understood. So some of it is factual but some of it is interpretations on what they experienced.

 

[uhohs]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Modelworks

What some people do in the name of religion does not mean that religion is at fault. It is nothing more than a man making excuses for his actions . Where did God say we are created in his image ?

You cannot take the context of the majority of the bible literally.

"Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. - (Gen. 1:26-27 NIV)"

I don't see how you can "interpret" it differently

Ok lets take it apart.

Let us make man in our image, in our likeness

Us ? That implies more than one being.
image, likeness - so we were designed to look like them . Two arms, two legs and a head.

Now really think about it. You are a person living thousands of years ago. You are trying to come up with the idea of where you came from . The only thing you have are stories passed from person to person. If you read about the origins of Genesis and how it was written , it was passed down over generations, so that has to be taken into account.

us and our. things that refer/point to the Trinity.
and likeness can be interpretted as referring to the ability to make decisions and think, a positioin of power or ruling over.