Anger toward God. Warranted?? Anybody else pissed at God right now???

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: XxPrOdiGyxX

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: XxPrOdiGyxX

Originally posted by: Nitemare
God you say....
The same God that took my godmother 2 years ago, my grandmother this year and just gave my very church-going mom lung cancer....

I stopped believing in him when I read the trials of Job in the bible.

What kind of God would make an honest man suffer so much just to win a bet with the devil?

What kind of God would allow all the serial murderers and pedophiles walk free and allow them to harm more of "his children"?

What kind of God would have allowed the Holocaust or the kind of crap going on in Darfur today?

No God of mine...

Everyone dies. Sorry it happened to your family members. Why blame the evils of man, who has free will, on God? If God did everything and did not allow bad things to happen and life is perfect...then we would already be in heaven. Did you expect your Godmother and Grandmother to live for ever? Please.

Yes, I think that's what he meant, you evil piece of crap. May you burn in hell for this.

lol. blame it on God for me being so evil. why did he let me be so evil? *cry*

I didn't blame any god for your evilness - you did. You are one callous m f for apparently being a loving religious type. Not really surprised though. I always suspected a lot of your kind were hiding a dark side anyhow.

 

[shocksyde]

Originally posted by: hellokeith
Many peoples of the world believes in God. The few angry atheists who coalesce on AT need reassurance from each other that they are an elite enlightened bunch instead of seeing the truth that they are simply a lost herd of sheep that God loves and wants in His company. This is a sad outcome of our God-given free will. The pain and suffering of a child is even more sad, but Christ's suffering on the cross can give us all hope.

You can take your "truth" and shove it up your butt. Or, if you'd prefer, have a priest do it for you.

Oh, I'm BAD!

Edited for language.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Whenever I see you post you give me something to think about. :laugh:

You're a naughty little girl, aren't you? :evil:

i've seen your butt. :Q

Well, at least that proves evil exists.

it proves there is a god.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Whenever I see you post you give me something to think about. :laugh:

You're a naughty little girl, aren't you? :evil:

i've seen your butt. :Q

Well, at least that proves evil exists.

it proves there is a god.

God? I hear that a lot... but I ain't THAT good.

 

[shocksyde]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
God you say....
The same God that took my godmother 2 years ago, my grandmother this year and just gave my very church-going mom lung cancer....

I stopped believing in him when I read the trials of Job in the bible.

What kind of God would make an honest man suffer so much just to win a bet with the devil?

What kind of God would allow all the serial murderers and pedophiles walk free and allow them to harm more of "his children"?

What kind of God would have allowed the Holocaust or the kind of crap going on in Darfur today?

No God of mine...

The vatican actually sent letters to Hitler supporting him as leader and also aided in the escape of Nazi war criminals to South America.

Awesome!

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
What amazes me is not how many folks on ATOT don't believe but, how many are so vehement and apparently angry/disdainful of those who do. I talk to atheists every day but, I don't believe in them.

i agree it always shocks me. but personally i think its like a contest. how bad can you claim there is no god? each post try's to post the last.


but it really does not matter. a persons belief of disbelief does not matter to my faith.

 

[her209]

Using religion (God) to explain things away means not having to deal or address the root of the problem.

Discuss.

 

[shocksyde]

Originally posted by: her209
Using religion (God) to explain things away means not having to deal or address the root of the problem.

Discuss.

"God of the gaps", you say?

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
What amazes me is not how many folks on ATOT don't believe but, how many are so vehement and apparently angry/disdainful of those who do. I talk to atheists every day but, I don't believe in them.

Because believing in a god is so silly that we have to point it out.

 

[seemingly random]

I blame tammy faye for my fear of women who wear a lot of makeup.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
What amazes me is not how many folks on ATOT don't believe but, how many are so vehement and apparently angry/disdainful of those who do. I talk to atheists every day but, I don't believe in them.

Because believing in a god is so silly that we have to point it out.

If it's so silly, why can't you, who are all mature and omniscent people, just laugh and move on, instead of making a big production out of it all?

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: Nitemare
God you say....
The same God that took my godmother 2 years ago, my grandmother this year and just gave my very church-going mom lung cancer....

I stopped believing in him when I read the trials of Job in the bible.

What kind of God would make an honest man suffer so much just to win a bet with the devil?

What kind of God would allow all the serial murderers and pedophiles walk free and allow them to harm more of "his children"?

What kind of God would have allowed the Holocaust or the kind of crap going on in Darfur today?

No God of mine...

The vatican actually sent letters to Hitler supporting him as leader and also aided in the escape of Nazi war criminals to South America.

Awesome!

They have hidden boy-diddling priests for decades as well.

 

[XxPrOdiGyxX]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: XxPrOdiGyxX

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: XxPrOdiGyxX

Originally posted by: Nitemare
God you say....
The same God that took my godmother 2 years ago, my grandmother this year and just gave my very church-going mom lung cancer....

I stopped believing in him when I read the trials of Job in the bible.

What kind of God would make an honest man suffer so much just to win a bet with the devil?

What kind of God would allow all the serial murderers and pedophiles walk free and allow them to harm more of "his children"?

What kind of God would have allowed the Holocaust or the kind of crap going on in Darfur today?

No God of mine...

Everyone dies. Sorry it happened to your family members. Why blame the evils of man, who has free will, on God? If God did everything and did not allow bad things to happen and life is perfect...then we would already be in heaven. Did you expect your Godmother and Grandmother to live for ever? Please.

Yes, I think that's what he meant, you evil piece of crap. May you burn in hell for this.

lol. blame it on God for me being so evil. why did he let me be so evil? *cry*

I didn't blame any god for your evilness - you did. You are one callous m f for apparently being a loving religious type. Not really surprised though. I always suspected a lot of your kind were hiding a dark side anyhow.

It's not being callous. It's me not understanding how someone who is probably analytical and science oriented cannot grasp the fact that all organisms break down over time and then eventually die. Then he proceeds to blame things on God when it's clearly the fault of the "evil" people for the atrocities/injustices that occurred. I empathize with him for his loss but not for his reasoning as if God is out to get him and everyone around him.

 

[neodyn55]

Don't blame god, blame karma

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
What amazes me is not how many folks on ATOT don't believe but, how many are so vehement and apparently angry/disdainful of those who do. I talk to atheists every day but, I don't believe in them.

It might have something to do with the fact that religion is a poison.

You don't believe in athiests? So does that make you an athiest athiest?

Religion is a poison ? How so ?

People on this forum act like all people who believe in religion are crazy wackos like some cult or commune. I am not part of any organized religion but I have met many people who are. Those people are some of the most caring and understanding people you could ever meet.

You may think it makes you look superior saying there is not God, that all religions suck, but in reality it only makes you look ill informed.

 

[shocksyde]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
What amazes me is not how many folks on ATOT don't believe but, how many are so vehement and apparently angry/disdainful of those who do. I talk to atheists every day but, I don't believe in them.

It might have something to do with the fact that religion is a poison.

You don't believe in athiests? So does that make you an athiest athiest?

Religion is a poison ? How so ?

People on this forum act like all people who believe in religion are crazy wackos like some cult or commune. I am not part of any organized religion but I have met many people who are. Those people are some of the most caring and understanding people you could ever meet.

You may think it makes you look superior saying there is not God, that all religions suck, but in reality it only makes you look ill informed.

A few examples:

- Holocaust
- Serb/Bosnian War
- Iraq
- Israel/Palestine conflicts
- Darfur

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
What amazes me is not how many folks on ATOT don't believe but, how many are so vehement and apparently angry/disdainful of those who do. I talk to atheists every day but, I don't believe in them.

It might have something to do with the fact that religion is a poison.

You don't believe in athiests? So does that make you an athiest athiest?

Religion is a poison ? How so ?

People on this forum act like all people who believe in religion are crazy wackos like some cult or commune. I am not part of any organized religion but I have met many people who are. Those people are some of the most caring and understanding people you could ever meet.

You may think it makes you look superior saying there is not God, that all religions suck, but in reality it only makes you look ill informed.

A few examples:

- Holocaust
- Serb/Bosnian War
- Iraq
- Israel/Palestine conflicts
- Darfur

Again you are ill informed.
Learn about the religions you are trying to use for examples. NONE of them condone any of your examples.

If someone kills 50 people and says it was because God told him to, it is no different than someone saying they did it because his wife wrote him a letter telling him to. Only the letter does not say anything of the sort.


I believed what was going on with terrorists was what their religion said to do because it is what the media publicized. I read a copy of the Koran myself and found out it says nothing of the sort.

 

[NuclearNed]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Nitemare
God you say....
The same God that took my godmother 2 years ago, my grandmother this year and just gave my very church-going mom lung cancer....

I stopped believing in him when I read the trials of Job in the bible.

What kind of God would make an honest man suffer so much just to win a bet with the devil?

What kind of God would allow all the serial murderers and pedophiles walk free and allow them to harm more of "his children"?

What kind of God would have allowed the Holocaust or the kind of crap going on in Darfur today?

No God of mine...

:heart:

this is going to sound cliché, but it's an attitude i've adopted some 6 years since i had a parent die, (and I credit Forrest Gump's mama), "Dying is just a part of living".
sooner or later we all have to accept dying, cruel as it is, unfair as it is.

and fwiw, i don't think God is the one who is behind the evils of the world.

But wait...

This is what I never understood. If the god you believe in created everything, and in the beginning there was nothing but him, then logically this god not only HAD to have created evil, he has to be letting it continue to happen.

Unless, of course, your god is not omnipotent and did not create everything.

Have you ever considered that God might not be omnipotent? There is little if any support for the concept of God's omnipotence in the Bible. On the contrary, one of the pillars of Christian belief is that God has granted us the gift of free will. In other words, God doesn't control us or our actions. If you can accept the fact that something exists outside of God's power, then by definition God is not omnipotent.

If you can buy into the idea that God doesn't control everything, then it becomes easy to understand that evil is not His creation.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: XxPrOdiGyxX
...
It's not being callous. It's me not understanding how someone who is probably analytical and science oriented cannot grasp the fact that all organisms break down over time and then eventually die. Then he proceeds to blame things on God when it's clearly the fault of the "evil" people for the atrocities/injustices that occurred. I empathize with him for his loss but not for his reasoning as if God is out to get him and everyone around him.

Sadly, I don't believe that you're empathetic. I do believe you're thrilled to have another opportunity to spout your dogma "this is god's way; he did this to you because he loves you". Oh wait. He didn't do anything. It's all up to the individual since they have free will. God never created any floods to kill people. So he doesn't do things unless he does. I get it now - where do I sign up.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: NuclearNed


Have you ever considered that God might not be omnipotent? There is little if any support for the concept of God's omnipotence in the Bible. On the contrary, one of the pillars of Christian belief is that God has granted us the gift of free will. In other words, God doesn't control us or our actions. By virtue of the fact that something exists outside of God's power, then by definition God is not omnipotent.

If you can buy into the idea that God doesn't control everything, then it becomes easy to understand that evil is not His creation.

I think that is very possible.
Many people use text in the bible like Adam & Eve , garden of eden as being silly, but they fail to take it into context. Consider when Genesis was written. Those people did not even know the world was round and had to describe things based on what they understood. What do they expect Genesis to say, "There was a being who controlled matter and formed it into dna strands , then cloned Eve from Adam ".

Read the bible in the context iof the time that it was written and what the people understood and it starts to make a lot of sense.

 

[shocksyde]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: shocksyde

A few examples:

- Holocaust
- Serb/Bosnian War
- Iraq
- Israel/Palestine conflicts
- Darfur

Again you are ill informed.
Learn about the religions you are trying to use for examples. NONE of them condone any of your examples.

If someone kills 50 people and says it was because God told him to, it is no different than someone saying they did it because his wife wrote him a letter telling him to. Only the letter does not say anything of the sort.


I believed what was going on with terrorists was what their religion said to do because it is what the media publicized. I read a copy of the Koran myself and found out it says nothing of the sort.

Ill informed? The holocaust wasn't about religion? What the hell are you talking about?

 

[XxPrOdiGyxX]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: XxPrOdiGyxX
...
It's not being callous. It's me not understanding how someone who is probably analytical and science oriented cannot grasp the fact that all organisms break down over time and then eventually die. Then he proceeds to blame things on God when it's clearly the fault of the "evil" people for the atrocities/injustices that occurred. I empathize with him for his loss but not for his reasoning as if God is out to get him and everyone around him.

Sadly, I don't believe that you're empathetic. I do believe you're thrilled to have another opportunity to spout your dogma "this is god's way; he did this to you because he loves you". Oh wait. He didn't do anything. It's all up to the individual since they have free will. God never created any floods to kill people. So he doesn't do things unless he does. I get it now - where do I sign up.

Believe what you want. While I do believe in a God I am by no means a religious zealot. I've basically stopped going to my church because of the hypocrisies and the character of the members of my church. But the difference is that I don't blame the religion. I blame the people who participate in it and pervert it to their benefit.

Obviously it's pointless to debate on religion in a forum like this so I have no idea why I even posted. So my fault on that.

Edit: And of course I empathize. You think I haven't had a loved one lost and felt sadness? Please.

 

[Vehemence]

CURSE YOU ZEUS! CURRRRSEE YOUUU!

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: shocksyde

A few examples:

- Holocaust
- Serb/Bosnian War
- Iraq
- Israel/Palestine conflicts
- Darfur

Again you are ill informed.
Learn about the religions you are trying to use for examples. NONE of them condone any of your examples.

If someone kills 50 people and says it was because God told him to, it is no different than someone saying they did it because his wife wrote him a letter telling him to. Only the letter does not say anything of the sort.


I believed what was going on with terrorists was what their religion said to do because it is what the media publicized. I read a copy of the Koran myself and found out it says nothing of the sort.

Ill informed? The holocaust wasn't about religion? What the hell are you talking about?

No it was not about religion. Please site the religious text that says to kill millions.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
What amazes me is not how many folks on ATOT don't believe but, how many are so vehement and apparently angry/disdainful of those who do. I talk to atheists every day but, I don't believe in them.

It might have something to do with the fact that religion is a poison.

You don't believe in athiests? So does that make you an athiest athiest?

Religion is a poison ? How so ?

People on this forum act like all people who believe in religion are crazy wackos like some cult or commune. I am not part of any organized religion but I have met many people who are. Those people are some of the most caring and understanding people you could ever meet.

You may think it makes you look superior saying there is not God, that all religions suck, but in reality it only makes you look ill informed.

A few examples:

- Holocaust
- Serb/Bosnian War
- Iraq
- Israel/Palestine conflicts
- Darfur

Again you are ill informed.
Learn about the religions you are trying to use for examples. NONE of them condone any of your examples.

If someone kills 50 people and says it was because God told him to, it is no different than someone saying they did it because his wife wrote him a letter telling him to. Only the letter does not say anything of the sort.


I believed what was going on with terrorists was what their religion said to do because it is what the media publicized. I read a copy of the Koran myself and found out it says nothing of the sort.

The Koran does not, but all the Hadiths that the faith add on to it does.

If mankind is created in God's own image, are not our actions divinely inspired(the good and evil)?