angry at intel

[dvdiva]

i made the mistake of buying a 2.2ghz (northwood) and thinking that i could take it to 133 fsb and have a 2.9 processor. i have an asus p4s533 mb, corsair micro 3200 512mb module and an antec true power 480 watt power supply. the ram easily goes to ddr 400 with no hitch. i can oc it to a 115fsb safely before the pci cards get a little wacky i tried different vcore settings up to the boards max 1.7volts and different memory settings down to a very safe 1:1 settings all with no luck. unless anyone has any suggestions i think i've been screwed over by intel. i wish that amd had come out with the tbred earlier otherwise if i had known that the chip was so damn whimppy i would have got a dual athalon set up instead. anyone have any ideas how i can push this chip to 2.9 or am i just screwed?

i have 5 panaflo - low fans (very quiet) and a very quiet arkua cpu fan (artic silver 3 for the grease). the temps are very stable at 40 celcius so its not a termal issue. its just an issue that the cpu cant cut it and it cost $400. any ideas??

 

[Mikewarrior2]

let me get this right....

Intel sold you a 2.2ghz CPU. According to you, it works fine at 2.2ghz, and even a little higher. I don't believe intel guaranteed it would run overclocked at all, and that's a risk any of us take when overclocking.

So, Intel screwed you by not bending over backwards adn providing you with a chip that overclocks to 2.9ghz? Especially considering that overclcoking to 2.9ghz is rare for Northwood P4s.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhtttttt.....


[sarcasm]Someone bought a Honda Civic... it doesn't perform as fast as a Honda S2000. Therefore, honda screwed the customer over [/sarcasm]

 

[oldfart]

Incredible post. You want 2.9 GHz. What in the world made you think you could do that? And BTW, go find an AMD CPU that will give you a 700 MHz overclock.

You know, people have got P4's to that speed. It's not easy. If you are looking for help, you really ought to rethink the way you ask for it.

 

[Sid03]

i think i've been screwed over by intel

no, you're just a complete idiot.

would you feel "screwed over" by amd if your dual athlon 1733mhz's didn't hit 2300mhz each?

 

[JSang]

have to agree with the others, you take the risk of getting a stock only chip whenver you overclock.
not intels problem.

 

[oldfart]

Almost forgot. "Screwed by Intel"? Last I knew the P4S533 is an SiS chipset board.

 

[dvdiva]

well i think i do have a beef. as someone new to o/c ing (my other computers are laptops) and i read reviews of people pushing chips to more than 3 ghz at more than a 133 fsb and the reviews of the asus p4s533 all said they had no problem pushing it to a 144 fsb and i cant even reach a 133 fsb. if i wanted a board that couldnt be oc than i would have had a dual set up. if i knew that oc was this difficult than i wouldnt have bothered. what angers me is how easy all the review make it out to be and then it turns out to be impossible for me. i wasted 400 on the chip, 200 on the ram and 120 on the board when i would have been much happier with a dual athalon set up. this is real money to me. maybe you have 1000 to flush down a toilet but i dont. if something isnt easy how come i never read about it in the reviews? a 133 fsb was far lower than most reviews got to and seemed like a realistic level. if it isnt possible than why are there no articles that it cant work? i would have spend my money differently and been much happier as a result.

 

[WarCon]

What is your 12volt rail at? And are you saying 40C at idle?

 

[Mikewarrior2]

If you're mad at the reviews, then be mad at the reviews.... I still dont' get why intel is in your anger equation... They did nothing to you.



Mike

 

[Don66]

Everyone clap your hands and sing I can't get no satisfaction..

 

[oldfart]

133 FSB is VERY easy........on a P4 1.6 or 1.8. Could you link to some of the reviews that say its easy to get a 2.2 to 2.9 GHz? If you want to do this, you may want to think about a water cooled setup.

 

[Adul]

You should have done this first off.

1. Posted in this forum before you made your purchase asking if making 2.9 was realistic.
2. those who have hit 2.9+ have used exoctic cooling methods such has refrigeration, Liquid N2, Peltiers, water cooling, etc...
3. Overclocking is always a crap shoot. sometimes you get lucky.
4. look in the mirror for who you should be mad at. Live and learn. Sell the rig on e-bay and you might make your money back.

 

[Sid03]

i understand that you are frustrated because of a misleading review (or maybe you misunderstood.) but that's hardly the same as being "screwed by intel." they never promised you that a 2200mhz cpu will run at 2900mhz. that's ridiculous.

btw, what reviews are you reading that say that 2900mhz is easily obtained? i haven't seen any that say that.

yes, $1000 is a lot of money. but the fact of the matter is that you are misguided if you think overclocking a 2200mhz to 2900mhz is easy, but you weren't misguided by intel (or sis, for that matter.)

 

[NesuD]

i think i've been screwed over by intel

Actually from what you have posted it it is quite apparent that you don't really THINK at all. There are many things that someone could be angry with intel for but that one wouldn't make any list i can think of. Unless Intel broke a contract of some kind with you there is nothing to justify your anger. Looks to me like they have more than fulfilled their responsibility of providing you with the promised 2.2 ghz processor you have no complaint. please go away until you can grow up and post something intelligent that contributes to the forums. Cheese to go with your (whine) can usually be found in the dairy dept of your local market. It isn't available here in the Anandtech forums.

 

[Texmaster]

I also have a 2.2 and even though I can "hit" 2.9, I'm only stable at 2.8

 

[dexvx]

So let me get this straight, you bought a p4 2.2 Northwood, put it with semi-decent cooling (yea panaflos are QUIET, but they dont pump air) and a semi-decent heatsink/fan combo for the CPU and expect to reach 2.9Ghz (133FSB) without a hitch?

I'm sorry, but if you actually take the time to actually read the reviews of 3Ghz + machines, they do some very specialized cooling (Peltiers, motherboard modding, LN, or some other semi-extreme to extreme cooling). 133 Mhz FSB is EASY... if you have a freaking 1.6a or 1.8a. You seem to have failed to factor in the TOTAL clock speed. Reaching 3Ghz right NOW is very rare, especially with air cooling. As of now, doing that kind of overclocking is for the enthusiasts, not for the 'first' overclocking experience. You also have to remember that not all reviews are accurate because each chip differs from each other.

 

[rogue1979]

The only way to reach a guaranteed 133MHz fsb was to save yourself a small fortune and get the 1.6a-1.8a Northwood cpu. Even then, a few people have not made it with those cpu's. Your motherboard and the DDR can probably make 133MHz no problem, topping out at close 3GHz for any P4 is hard to do. Intel fulfilled their end of the bargain when your cpu ran stable at 2.2GHz. Might I suggest that you go to overclockers.com and look up the average overclock for a specific cpu, this might be a guide for what to expect. But even then you might get a cpu that overclocks on the low end of the spectrum. If all cpu's were guaranteed 100% to run at a specific overclocked speed, then they could be sold as a higher end cpu.

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: Sid03

i think i've been screwed over by intel

no, you're just a complete idiot.

would you feel "screwed over" by amd if your dual athlon 1733mhz's didn't hit 2300mhz each?

Yup me sentiments exactly.


My volkswagen Jetta doesnt go as fast as my porsche . They screwed me !!!!

 

[dvdiva]

thanks for the helpfull replies. i thought a 133 fsb WAS realistic since the review on subzerotech and other reviews have said that they took a 1.8 (not that much higher than a 2.2) northwood to a 144 fsb others have taken there's to a much higher fsb. yes intel sold me a 2.2 chip. and its a stable 2.2 chip but if i wanted a setup that wasnt oc'able than i wanted to know that BEFORE i bought it not after when its too late. otherwise why even list a fsb speeds as an option in the bios why not just not list then like a lot of dual boards so oc is not even an option. there are NO reviews that even a 133 fsb is not possible. i could understand it if it were a .18 chip as thermally it couldnt make it. but a .13 can. and no review has ever said that chips higher than the 1.8 chip are not oc at all and any attemp to take a 2, 2.2, 2.4 or what ever to a higher fsb is impossible. its not a thermal issue as the chip never goes above 45 celcius on my setup it just really ticks me off that at no point anyone has said that while you MIGHT take a 1.8 to a 144 fsb you can take a 2.2 to a sad 110 fsb and have everything still work. if i wanted a non oc setup then why even have vcore or other settings. tyan dual boards dont and neither do any laptops and for good reasons. but single p4 boards do and for what a 10% increase- so what. why bother just buy better ram and you could expect that. even just optimizing windows could get you that. otherwise why even sell all this stuff for oc like water coolers and so forth. i could have just used the stock cpu fan if i wanted 2.2 out of a 2.2 chip.

 

[THUGSROOK]

you could always sell the 2.2A and buy 3 1.6As

 

[Sid03]

yes intel sold me a 2.2 chip. and its a stable 2.2 chip but if i wanted a setup that wasnt oc'able than i wanted to know that BEFORE i bought it not after when its too late.

so, you want intel to tell you that it's a "2200mhz cpu, but can overclock to xxxx mhz"?

otherwise why even list a fsb speeds as an option in the bios why not just not list then like a lot of dual boards so oc is not even an option... if i wanted a non oc setup then why even have vcore or other settings.

actually, intel brand boards do not have overclocking settings. besides, you didn't even buy an intel chipset. as pointed out earlier, it's a sis chipset on a board made by asus.


i still don't understand why you are "angry at intel" and feel like you've "been screwed over by intel."

again, i understand that you are disappointed and frustrated. but the fact of the matter is that your expectations of hitting 2900mhz are just not reasonable.

 

[Daovonnaex]

I propose that you donate your brain (or lack thereof) to science so that the world can learn the genetic causes of true idiocy.

 

[IndyJaws]

I think everyone's being a bit hard on dvdiva. They are, self-admittedly, a noob when it comes to oc'ing. Granted, they should have consulted this and other forums before dropping a wad of cash on a setup that doesn't appear will perform at the levels they expected. But think about it...how many of us have been suckered by a review at a site that turned out to be a bunch of crap (I haven't read the review he listed, it might be a good one)? Sometimes we act on the review only to be burned, either due to our ignorance of the subject and/or an erroneous hope that we can get the same results as the reviewer.

Rather than pile on dvdiva, let's give constructive solutions that might help him/her. The thread title is unfortunate, however, and dvdiva would do well to change it if they want to hear some practical advise on their situation.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

I'm sorry you feel Intel gave you the screwgie but the fact of the matter is that if Intel knew and wanted to sell you a chip that did 2.9 GHz then they would have sold it to you pretested at that speed.

Overclocking is never a sure proposition, sometimes you're lucky other times you aren't. Getting a 2.2 GHz chip to 2.9 GHz was asking for a lot: just because a 1.6 GHz gets a 50% overclock doesn't mean a 2.2 GHz will get a 50% overclock. In fact, odds are the two chips have similar top limits and were just binned differently to fit market demand.

I suggest you try to eBay or otherwise sell your 2.2 GHz chip at a loss and buy a 1.6a or a 1.8a for much less. You're likely to reach 2.2 GHz but at an FSB that would put that expensive ram to good use.

If all you have is lemons, make lemonade

-Ice

 

[Kell]

True, Intel probably did a little deception, unintentionally perpetrated by reviewers testing out the Northwood's overclocking potential. It only makes sense that hardware manufacturers are going to pick out top-bin samples to send to reviewers, and of course they'll OC better. Is it deceptive? Slightly. But it's one of the many small, perfectly legal deceptions a standard business engages in. Knowledgeable readers should expect it anyways and keep it in mind.

In light of that, I really can't find it in myself to feel too sorry for dvdiva. I also can't feel too angry at Intel. They never promised a 3GHz OC out of a 2.2GHz Northwood; they really didn't promise any OCability at all. If anyone should bear the brunt of dvdiva's anger, it should be the reviewer who made good OC results sound like a promise.