Originally posted by: IndyJaws
I think everyone's being a bit hard on dvdiva. They are, self-admittedly, a noob when it comes to oc'ing. Granted, they should have consulted this and other forums before dropping a wad of cash on a setup that doesn't appear will perform at the levels they expected. But think about it...how many of us have been suckered by a review at a site that turned out to be a bunch of crap (I haven't read the review he listed, it might be a good one)? Sometimes we act on the review only to be burned, either due to our ignorance of the subject and/or an erroneous hope that we can get the same results as the reviewer.
Rather than pile on dvdiva, let's give constructive solutions that might help him/her. The thread title is unfortunate, however, and dvdiva would do well to change it if they want to hear some practical advise on their situation.
I don't think we're being too hard on him. If he would have taken the time to do more research - more than just reading one review somewhere (at *subzerotech* whatever that is. Hint hint, as in they use exotic
SUB-ZERO cooling). This isn't a misdirected flame fest, it's a direct retort by the AT overclocking community at his comments that intel screwed him over by selling him a chip that won't overclock! That is definately not thier program, and a 2.2 GHz P4 is a lot faster than a non-overclocked 1.6A or 1.8A, which is why the 2.2 costs more. They did their part, and he refuses to take responsibility. It is definately not Intel's problem if his 2.2 GHz won't overclock to 133 MHz FSB. I've heard of maybe 1 or 2 people getting 2.0 GHz chips to 133 MHz FSB on air cooling, albeit not totally stable. 2.9 GHz is unheard of with air. Only 1.6A's (and 1.8A's to a much lesser extent) are the overclocking beasts we know the P4 to be.
otherwise why even list a fsb speeds as an option in the bios why not just not list then like a lot of dual boards so oc is not even an option. there are NO reviews that even a 133 fsb is not possible. i could understand it if it were a .18 chip as thermally it couldnt make it. but a .13 can. and no review has ever said that chips higher than the 1.8 chip are not oc at all and any attemp to take a 2, 2.2, 2.4 or what ever to a higher fsb is impossible. its not a thermal issue as the chip never goes above 45 celcius on my setup it just really ticks me off that at no point anyone has said that while you MIGHT take a 1.8 to a 144 fsb you can take a 2.2 to a sad 110 fsb and have everything still work. if i wanted a non oc setup then why even have vcore or other settings.
dvdiva
FSB speeds and vcore are NOT options of the CPU itself, they are overclocking options present in the motherboard, which is not manufactured by Intel. About the .18 core not making it to near 3 GHz but the .13 process doing it : the .18 P4's leveled off at 2.0-2.1 Ghz or so (before extreme cooling). How good yields do you expect Intel to be having so soon after the switch to .13? Don't you think that if Intel's chips could hit 2.9Ghz or more so easily then they would be selling 2.9 Ghz P4's by now? The whole reason that they aren't is because only SOME of the P4's are great overclockers, not ALL! Overclocking is a crapshoot, this is one of the first lessons of overclocking.
Another early lesson in overclocking is this: a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. If everyone is overclocking their Celeron 300A to 450 or their 1.6A to 2.4 GHz, then don't expect a Celeron 366 or P4 2.2 Ghz to get the same % overclock - although the 366 was pretty good itself ;-) . Stick to what is working for people and don't try to 'beat' everyone by buying a higher clocked CPU and expecting a better overclock to boast. Certainly not without feedback from others. Don't you think that some of these people here who have $400 to blow on a GeForce 4 Ti4600 would also be buying expensive P4 2.2's instead of the bottom-of-the-P4-line 1.6A if it was a better overclocker?
Anyway, my post is about educating and helping you; I'm not trying to criticizing you. I'd recommend that you try to sell the 2.2 GHz and buy a 1.6A . It will blast past 133 MHz FSB (talk to Thugsrook about it). Otherwise, you can stick with your P4 2.2 at 2.53 Ghz and be happy (which you already said works - 115 MHz FSB).
And please leave the criticisms off of companies when they're not due. If your chip was flaky at 2.2 Ghz, that's another story .....