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AndyHui

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Deception?

There is NO deception in Intel's part. They do not condone overclocking, so you should not expect ANYTHING from an overclock. Anything that you get is actually a bonus.

dvdiva: I can understand your disappointment, but you really should have done more research to understand the situation, to understand how overclocking works and ask about the feasibility of what you are doing with the equipment that you have.

 

sanz

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Now that we've made him feel like a complete idiot, why don't we help him get *some* satisfaction out of his P4 2.2

Texmaster, kindly point this lost soul the right way with your experience
 

pm

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True, Intel probably did a little deception, unintentionally perpetrated by reviewers testing out the Northwood's overclocking potential. It only makes sense that hardware manufacturers are going to pick out top-bin samples to send to reviewers, and of course they'll OC better.
I can assure you that Intel does not send "top-bin" samples to reviewers. In fact, I'm certain that the opposite is more often the case. Reviewers get parts that are usually engineering samples and often have various errata that are fixed on the final production model. Besides even if I did not know this to be the case, logically it is hard to imagine that Intel would want to encourage the practice of overclocking by setting up unrealistic expectations.

Patrick Mahoney
Microprocessor Design Engineer
Intel Corp.
 

jiffylube1024

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Originally posted by: IndyJaws
I think everyone's being a bit hard on dvdiva. They are, self-admittedly, a noob when it comes to oc'ing. Granted, they should have consulted this and other forums before dropping a wad of cash on a setup that doesn't appear will perform at the levels they expected. But think about it...how many of us have been suckered by a review at a site that turned out to be a bunch of crap (I haven't read the review he listed, it might be a good one)? Sometimes we act on the review only to be burned, either due to our ignorance of the subject and/or an erroneous hope that we can get the same results as the reviewer.

Rather than pile on dvdiva, let's give constructive solutions that might help him/her. The thread title is unfortunate, however, and dvdiva would do well to change it if they want to hear some practical advise on their situation.


I don't think we're being too hard on him. If he would have taken the time to do more research - more than just reading one review somewhere (at *subzerotech* whatever that is. Hint hint, as in they use exotic SUB-ZERO cooling). This isn't a misdirected flame fest, it's a direct retort by the AT overclocking community at his comments that intel screwed him over by selling him a chip that won't overclock! That is definately not thier program, and a 2.2 GHz P4 is a lot faster than a non-overclocked 1.6A or 1.8A, which is why the 2.2 costs more. They did their part, and he refuses to take responsibility. It is definately not Intel's problem if his 2.2 GHz won't overclock to 133 MHz FSB. I've heard of maybe 1 or 2 people getting 2.0 GHz chips to 133 MHz FSB on air cooling, albeit not totally stable. 2.9 GHz is unheard of with air. Only 1.6A's (and 1.8A's to a much lesser extent) are the overclocking beasts we know the P4 to be.

otherwise why even list a fsb speeds as an option in the bios why not just not list then like a lot of dual boards so oc is not even an option. there are NO reviews that even a 133 fsb is not possible. i could understand it if it were a .18 chip as thermally it couldnt make it. but a .13 can. and no review has ever said that chips higher than the 1.8 chip are not oc at all and any attemp to take a 2, 2.2, 2.4 or what ever to a higher fsb is impossible. its not a thermal issue as the chip never goes above 45 celcius on my setup it just really ticks me off that at no point anyone has said that while you MIGHT take a 1.8 to a 144 fsb you can take a 2.2 to a sad 110 fsb and have everything still work. if i wanted a non oc setup then why even have vcore or other settings.

dvdiva

FSB speeds and vcore are NOT options of the CPU itself, they are overclocking options present in the motherboard, which is not manufactured by Intel. About the .18 core not making it to near 3 GHz but the .13 process doing it : the .18 P4's leveled off at 2.0-2.1 Ghz or so (before extreme cooling). How good yields do you expect Intel to be having so soon after the switch to .13? Don't you think that if Intel's chips could hit 2.9Ghz or more so easily then they would be selling 2.9 Ghz P4's by now? The whole reason that they aren't is because only SOME of the P4's are great overclockers, not ALL! Overclocking is a crapshoot, this is one of the first lessons of overclocking.

Another early lesson in overclocking is this: a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. If everyone is overclocking their Celeron 300A to 450 or their 1.6A to 2.4 GHz, then don't expect a Celeron 366 or P4 2.2 Ghz to get the same % overclock - although the 366 was pretty good itself ;-) . Stick to what is working for people and don't try to 'beat' everyone by buying a higher clocked CPU and expecting a better overclock to boast. Certainly not without feedback from others. Don't you think that some of these people here who have $400 to blow on a GeForce 4 Ti4600 would also be buying expensive P4 2.2's instead of the bottom-of-the-P4-line 1.6A if it was a better overclocker?

Anyway, my post is about educating and helping you; I'm not trying to criticizing you. I'd recommend that you try to sell the 2.2 GHz and buy a 1.6A . It will blast past 133 MHz FSB (talk to Thugsrook about it). Otherwise, you can stick with your P4 2.2 at 2.53 Ghz and be happy (which you already said works - 115 MHz FSB).

And please leave the criticisms off of companies when they're not due. If your chip was flaky at 2.2 Ghz, that's another story .....
 

socketman

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Hey diva,
What do you do with your computer? That may help us salvage a little from your purchase. Maybe we can help ya tweak it to do better.

Anyway, i had a look at the review of the mobo on Subzerotech. Im confused. The guy said he only got the chip to 2.5 Second, it was a 1.8a ... not a 2.4 gig. And that makes all the diff. Finally, what everyone said is true. The higher the chip is clocked, the less likely you will get a good overclock. The 1.6a and the 1.8a are a VERY rare chip. Why they are rare is a long story.
If your trying something new, get a bunch of opinions. Im trying water cooling soon. I have been to about 12 sites, and as many forums for 2 months researching it. But thats no garauntee I wont spring a leak and ruin my entire system.
Of course ill be coating the entire mobo in conformal coating... but i digress

Tell us what you want/need the computer for and see if we can help.
 

WarCon

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Socketman, are you going to use peltiers with your watercooler? Just wondering why you would go to the extreme of coating your mobo in conformal just for a watercooler? You know that they are essentially zero pressure systems, that will only drip if a good seal isn't made at one of the fittings.

Anyway good luck with your watercooler, I have really enjoyed mine.
 

Kingofcomputer

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next time buy a pre-tested 2.9 cpu+mb+cooling combo from a place called ocz something (forget the exact name).


just joking.
 

SteelCityFan

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Originally posted by: IndyJaws
I think everyone's being a bit hard on dvdiva. They are, self-admittedly, a noob when it comes to oc'ing. Granted, they should have consulted this and other forums before dropping a wad of cash on a setup that doesn't appear will perform at the levels they expected. But think about it...how many of us have been suckered by a review at a site that turned out to be a bunch of crap (I haven't read the review he listed, it might be a good one)? Sometimes we act on the review only to be burned, either due to our ignorance of the subject and/or an erroneous hope that we can get the same results as the reviewer.

Rather than pile on dvdiva, let's give constructive solutions that might help him/her. The thread title is unfortunate, however, and dvdiva would do well to change it if they want to hear some practical advise on their situation.



I think people are jumping on him because of the tone in his posts. He is not coming on here asking for advise, but just whining about how intel screwed him. His chip gets to 115FSB before the PCI bus goes wacky (He should have bought a board with a Fix PCI bus option), which is 2500+ Mhz, and he can't be happy with that.

It is sooo obvious that he did not put in the research needed to intelligently purchase a PC he planned on overclocking... but he doesn't want to hear anything about that. He is right, and Intel is wrong. He complains about the $1000 or whatever, but if it meant that much to him, he would have done a whole hell of a lot more research.

Like someone else said.. it is as if he expects Intel to give each chip 2 speed grades. One for overclocking and one for normal usage.
 

HardWareXpert

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Intel or AMD DONOT recommend overclocking at all, just some people are greedy thinking just because the CPU dont overclock or locked there being screwed, my god, some people hey, I dont know how you got the balls
:Q

Try explaing that to Intel and I bet you get a well F*** off then.
 

Barrei

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Yes overclocking is all about research , before I started to O/C I read alot of valuable information in this forum, and I'm still learning ,everyday.
 

Jgtdragon

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Well, you should be happy even running at 115fsb. Which mean 22 X 115 = 2530Mhz. Not too off from 2900Hmz.
Intel sells you a 2.2Ghz, but you are running a 2.53Ghz??? Look at the brighter side, dude. Thats faster than majority of computers on Earth now.
 

Dink

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hehe yeah, I mean, in the review you mentioned, you said they used a 1.8a and you said, "not too far from a 2.2a". So, you are now at 2530, and using your logic, it's not too far from 2900. 400MHz difference vs. 370MHz difference. I'd say you are right in the logical range you should be for that processor. Enjoy it.
 

Swanny

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Did Intel say anywhere that you could overclock? Do they even recommend overclocking at all? No!

If you have a beef with anyone, it's the reviewer that wrote the review you read. But I'll be willing to bet he/she had a disclaimer that said your results may very.
 

CoDerEd

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dvdiva

i am not gonna comment about your problem with Intel,
but just my $.02 like everybody also said it's a good idea to get a 1.6A or 1.8A instead.

My BD7-1.8A is only $325 shipped from newegg and it can go easily to 2.5Ghz,
just like you can achieve now, and it's already $75 cheaper than your 2.2A alone.

But I don't want you to call me a liar if i am wrong about that so just keep it in
your mind that Intel never ment their CPU to be OC'ed,
as somebody said earlier it's a BONUS.

gLuck
 

Roger73

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My 1.8a can only do fsb 131 max. Not 133.... do I feel screwed? Nope! Any OC done is a bonus.... not a given
 
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