Announcement Regarding Posting Rule on Intentional Misquoting of Member Posts

[shira]

I only do it when the poster actually IS being a moron. However, I have stopped doing it even though the posters have not stopped being morons.

Very interesting. Why don't we look at a typical example of your antics (bolding added by me):

Original post:

You go ahead and write Berkely University and explain how their science department is wrong and you know far more than they do about evolution. Better yet, travel to them and film it...that way we all get to see them laugh at you.

What can we say about the intellectual honesty of a person making the bolded point when that same person posts (in a different thread) a well-known diagram of temperature cycles going back thousands of years and then tells us that the diagram proves that the views of thousands of climate scientists - who obviously aren't unaware of the diagram - are incorrect?

Which became:

What can we say about the intellectual honesty of a person who brings non-related threads into the discussion to form an amazing logical fallacy?

I changed your quote to more accurately reflect your statement. I have to say, I do not know why you would create such an amazing logical fallacy. You will have to tell us.

In other words, you took a post which quite clearly revealed that you talk out of both sides of your mouth, and then you changed the words so as to completely distort the meaning and thus avoid having to "own up" to your hypocrisy.

But you go right ahead and continue telling us that your motive was that the post questioning your integrity was "moronic." I'll let everyone else reading this judge for themselves what you real motive was.

 

[shira]

In order for the phrase fckng moron to be used correctly, the person using it must know both the IQ of the poster and whether the poster is sexually active or not. If either of these items are not known (within a reasonable doubt), the person using the phrase is most likely simply performing a personal attack.

Since post posters here are sexually active, it would be a safe to assume the person is a fcker. However, I rather doubt anyone here has an IQ between 50-69.

Mental deficiency used to be more finely classified using the following technical terms that later began to be abused by the rest of society (5):

IQ Range - Classification
70-80 - Borderline deficiency
50-69 - Moron
20-49 - Imbecile
below 20 - Idiot

These are now largely obsolete and mental deficiency is now generally called mental retardation. The following is the currently used classification of retardation in the USA (5):
IQ Range - Classification
50-69 - Mild
35-49 - Moderate
20-34 - Severe
below 20 - Profound

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/IQBasics.aspx

Therefor calling someone a moron would be either a direct personal attack or an obvious lie - or most likely both.

Sorry, but you've conveniently chosen to ignore 85% of the English language which uses multiple definitions for the same word:

Moron
Informal: a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment.

Fucking
(intensifier): turn off that fucking phone; a fucking good time.

So, a person who is REALLY, REALLY, REALLY making stupid, badly judged posts can accurately be termed a "fucking moron."

And of course this post of mine would be entirely unnecessary except that you've chosen to play games with your quoted post. One might say you were exhibiting stupidity (if you really don't understand that words can have multiple definitions) and/or that you were exhibiting extremely bad judgment in making such a foolish post about the meaning or words. Keep it up and someone may label YOU a "fucking moron."

 

[JSt0rm]

And the can of worms has been opened. Congrats to all. Any other good tech forums with a nice social subset?

 

[shira]

And the can of worms has been opened. Congrats to all. Any other good tech forums with a nice social subset?

I take a more optimistic view. I believe this thread will reduce instances of bad-faith misquoting (as opposed to good-faith excerpting). Beyond that, maybe we need other mod-sponsored threads to improve the behavior of the unruly hordes.

 

[dank69]

In order for the phrase fckng moron to be used correctly, the person using it must know both the IQ of the poster and whether the poster is sexually active or not. If either of these items are not known (within a reasonable doubt), the person using the phrase is most likely simply performing a personal attack.

Since post posters here are sexually active, it would be a safe to assume the person is a fcker. However, I rather doubt anyone here has an IQ between 50-69.

Mental deficiency used to be more finely classified using the following technical terms that later began to be abused by the rest of society (5):

IQ Range - Classification
70-80 - Borderline deficiency
50-69 - Moron
20-49 - Imbecile
below 20 - Idiot

These are now largely obsolete and mental deficiency is now generally called mental retardation. The following is the currently used classification of retardation in the USA (5):
IQ Range - Classification
50-69 - Mild
35-49 - Moderate
20-34 - Severe
below 20 - Profound

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/IQBasics.aspx

Therefor calling someone a moron would be either a direct personal attack or an obvious lie - or most likely both.

This is a profound post.

 

[cybrsage]

Very interesting. Why don't we look at a typical example of your antics (bolding added by me):

In other words, you took a post which quite clearly revealed that you talk out of both sides of your mouth, and then you changed the words so as to completely distort the meaning and thus avoid having to "own up" to your hypocrisy.

But you go right ahead and continue telling us that your motive was that the post questioning your integrity was "moronic." I'll let everyone else reading this judge for themselves what you real motive was.

I think you have an issue with chronology. The post, to which you responded, occurred after the ones you just pasted.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Context is everything, and my observation is that the mods use their discretion in most situations. What I'm saying is that if someone is deserving of the label "fvcking moron," then the mods will probably recognize that this is an exceptional situation and give it a pass. On the other hand, if someone merely makes an extreme statement that another person disagrees with vehemently, then "fvcking moron" is clearly over the line.

Actually context is not everything...... just because a word has a different meaning to the person using it, that does not dismiss it from being a personal attack.
I guarantee the mods will not over look the label "Fvcking moron" no matter how deserved.

You see why do you need to call somebody a moron when you can say such things as - your opinion is just plain childish.....or I don`t agree with your diatribe......

I don`t believe that the label "fvcking moron" is ever justified. There are other ways to say you don`t agree or that an opinion is totally wrong.

JUst my humble opinion!

 

[Patranus]

So it is still ok to crop quotes as long as you leave it in context of the overall quote?
Just want to make sure everything is clear in terms of this.

 

[cybrsage]

I would say yes (though we should wait for a mod to ensure it is right), since many times a single post covers several items and you may only desire to discuss one of them.

 

[shira]

I think you have an issue with chronology. The post, to which you responded, occurred after the ones you just pasted.

And you have a huge issue with reading comprehension. Nowhere in my post did I question whether you had stopped your quote-crapping - CLEARLY you'd have to be suicidal to continue your antics in light of this mod-initiated thread. No, what I was addressing was your claim that

I only do it when the poster actually IS being a moron.

And that context - that I was questioning your stated motive - was abundantly clear from my last paragraph:

But you go right ahead and continue telling us that your motive was that the post questioning your integrity was "moronic." I'll let everyone else reading this judge for themselves what you real motive was.

Your continual "misinterpretation" of posts should - in my opinion - be just as actionable by the mods as your quote-crapping. Because what you're doing is pretending that something trivial or absurd was posted and then responding to this willful distortion of reality, rather than responding to what was actually posted. You do it again and again and again and again. It's despicable.

 

[Idontcare]

So it is still ok to crop quotes as long as you leave it in context of the overall quote?
Just want to make sure everything is clear in terms of this.

Yep. Context matters. And if this comes to be the distinguishing point of the quote then point #3 below is where moderator discretion ensures context rules the day.

But if Poster 2 and Poster 1 are less than chummy, then Poster 2 invites risk upon themselves by misquoting Poster 1 should (1) Poster 1 take offense to such misquoting, (2) Poster 1 reports the post through the formal channels, and (3) the moderator agrees that Poster 1 has reasonable grounds to take offense to the specifics of the misquote itself (no frivolous sanctions on technicalities or so on will be allowed).

Each reported instance will be handled on a case-by-case. And Poster 2 can appeal their sanction in the Moderator Discussion subforum as a means to further ensure point #3 above is observed.

Administrator Idontcare

 

[cybrsage]

And you have a huge issue with reading comprehension. Nowhere in my post did I question whether you had stopped your quote-crapping.

You are apparently one of those people who also bring up the Crusades when talking about how Christianity works in the modern era.

Bringing up things which no longer happen is silly. Thanks for playing, though.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Guys - take this to PM or somewhere.

You have beaten this to death and are not contributing anything to the thread


EK
Ex-Admin

 

[Patranus]

Yep. Context matters. And if this comes to be the distinguishing point of the quote then point #3 below is where moderator discretion ensures context rules the day.



Administrator Idontcare

So just for clarification - yes or no answer would be preferable - Can we still crop quotes?

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Absolute horsecrap. What's up with all these useless rules?

 

[DaveSimmons]

This sounds like a good rule change.

In order to earn an infraction you have to misquote someone, offend them enough to report you, and then have a moderator agree that the misquoting was over the line. I think that sets the bar high enough.

 

[Idontcare]

So just for clarification - yes or no answer would be preferable - Can we still crop quotes?

Yes. But...

 

[JEDIYoda]

as in Yes. But there is a proper way.....

 

[shira]

You are apparently one of those people who also bring up the Crusades when talking about how Christianity works in the modern era.

Bringing up things which no longer happen is silly. Thanks for playing, though.

How dare someone who committed murder in the past, but hasn't in the past five days, be tried for his crime! It's silly.

You're an unprincipled, pathological troll.

 

[sandorski]

How dare someone who committed murder in the past, but hasn't in the past five days, be tried for his crime! It's silly.

You're an unprincipled, pathological troll.

All you can eat Chilli Night at the Al Queda hut. Be there or be square.

 

[cybrsage]

How dare someone who committed murder in the past, but hasn't in the past five days, be tried for his crime! It's silly.

Wow, you actually think posting on an Internet forum and murder are equivalent. That explains much about why you post the things you do.

Thanks for showing up to play, the little league team is on another forum, though, so you should run along now. You do not fit in with the grown ups.

 

[cybrsage]

All you can eat Chilli Night at the Al Queda hut. Be there or be square.

SWEET! Al Jamar makes the BEST halal chilli!

 

[shira]

Wow, you actually think posting on an Internet forum and murder are equivalent. That explains much about why you post the things you do.

Thanks for showing up to play, the little league team is on another forum, though, so you should run along now. You do not fit in with the grown ups.

I don't like to repeat myself, but for you I'll make an exception:

You're an unprincipled, pathological troll.

 

[cybrsage]

I don't like to repeat myself, but for you I'll make an exception:

I don't mind repeating myself:

Thanks for showing up to play, the little league team is on another forum, though, so you should run along now. You do not fit in with the grown ups.

See how silly your post was yet?

 

[dank69]

Wow, you actually think posting on an Internet forum and murder are equivalent. That explains much about why you post the things you do.

Thanks for showing up to play, the little league team is on another forum, though, so you should run along now. You do not fit in with the grown ups.

Replace murder with perjury to get a closer analogy. However, the magnitude of the offense makes no difference in the analogy anyway. I know you know this and you are just trolling, but I'll point it out anyway.