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Stunt

Diamond Member
Jul 17, 2002
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You guys have done a great job understanding nature is the best of the 4 elements, we are all hitting a wall for one reason; the money gained from each black dot is constant while the hit points steadily goes up. Building nature towers all over is as reasonable as loading up with several ice towers at the beginning without upgrading.

You can notice when you get to the higher levels, the investment in a 'living' nature tower is far less effective than it once was and is a band-aid solution for your inevitable death. Once you start investing in massing instead of teching you have lost this game. That is obviously easier said than done.

Here is my map, my one living tower was able to keep me going for 50 levels while I invested in the flower tower. While the flower tower is a worse investment than nature ($3000 for 9090 hit points vs. $2375 for 9000 hit points), the opportunity to upgrade is needed for progression. The upgrade on the flower tower is what kills you as it's a $5000 investment for only 6000 more hit points; giving roughly 1hp per $1 which is well below the average upgraded tower at 3hp per $1.

The flower tower is your only opportunity to upgrade assuming teching is the only way to keep going. The 2nd upgrade flower tower is an astounding $15,000 which is absolutely impossible to attain with the limited resources the enemy produces, but the tower gives 909,090 hit points. Considering the bang for the buck factor, even with the huge cost is 60hp per $1...simply deadly.

I guess with the creator hitting level 90; maybe this tower was intended to be a tease.
 

FoBoT

No Lifer
Apr 30, 2001
63,082
12
76
fobot.com
i finally got to 76, eight nature towers full upgrade, evenly distributed across the middle, two ice towers, full upgrade closer to the castle
when i was dying i didn't have enough cash so i just added a fire tower near the castle
 
May 16, 2000
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Originally posted by: Chronoshock
Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude
Originally posted by: jimbob200521
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
Has anyone been able to upgrade to the 3rd tier mechanical? I haven't been able to save enough reserve yet without getting destroyed. It's probably not worth it, but I'm curious anyway.

I tried a couple times and just couldn't do it.

I don't think that it's possible, at least until upper level 70's +, you just don't get enough money from each kill in the low to mid 70's. Don't get me wrong, I know that it would be worth it, but it just seems out of reach...

someone figure out the income accrued across the first 75 levels.... this wll tell you how much you can spend and still get the lvl3 flowergun

8*(74*75/2) = 22200. Lvl 3 flower = 3000 + 5000 + 15000. Not possible

Edit: seems like the score is not always the level #, at lvl 50 I just got like 55 per kill. Regardless, 23000 is not a feasible amount to save

Your income is slightly off because I've had 10-11 fully upgraded natural towers at level 77 which is a cost of 23750-26125. Still not possible to do a fully upgraded flower because that would only leave at most 11125 which is less than 5 full naturals, not enough to survive. Furthermore the cost of one full flower would buy 9 full natural towers which do almost the same damage per shot together and could fire over a larger area, hitting more times overall. This suggests that the flower is never worthwhile.
 

Chronoshock

Diamond Member
Jul 6, 2004
4,860
1
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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: Chronoshock
Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude
Originally posted by: jimbob200521
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
Has anyone been able to upgrade to the 3rd tier mechanical? I haven't been able to save enough reserve yet without getting destroyed. It's probably not worth it, but I'm curious anyway.

I tried a couple times and just couldn't do it.

I don't think that it's possible, at least until upper level 70's +, you just don't get enough money from each kill in the low to mid 70's. Don't get me wrong, I know that it would be worth it, but it just seems out of reach...

someone figure out the income accrued across the first 75 levels.... this wll tell you how much you can spend and still get the lvl3 flowergun

8*(74*75/2) = 22200. Lvl 3 flower = 3000 + 5000 + 15000. Not possible

Edit: seems like the score is not always the level #, at lvl 50 I just got like 55 per kill. Regardless, 23000 is not a feasible amount to save

Your income is slightly off because I've had 10-11 fully upgraded natural towers at level 77 which is a cost of 23750-26125. Still not possible to do a fully upgraded flower because that would only leave at most 11125 which is less than 5 full naturals, not enough to survive. Furthermore the cost of one full flower would buy 9 full natural towers which do almost the same damage per shot together and could fire over a larger area, hitting more times overall. This suggests that the flower is never worthwhile.

Yeah I commented that its not quite right, I think the score is even variable. I've done the first 5 rounds a number of times to optimize initial placement and I've gotten varying numbers. I did however get a fully upgraded flower tower. I managed to get it by putting 3 nature towers at the top using the resize trick, then surviving with just that and a lvl 2 flower tower until around wave 70. I died soon after because some got by
 

BrokenVisage

Lifer
Jan 29, 2005
24,770
12
81
Can't believe I'm the first one to call R here. I remember playing this for so long and being able to get up to 75 the first time this was posted.
 

jfall

Diamond Member
Oct 31, 2000
5,975
2
0
This is seriously one of the most addicting flash games I've ever played.
 

ShadowOfMyself

Diamond Member
Jun 22, 2006
4,227
2
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It seems Stunt was the only one that noticed that the 3rd upgraded flower tower does NINE MILLION , not 90 K... thats insta kill right there.. just have to find a way
 

KLin

Lifer
Feb 29, 2000
29,557
166
106
Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
It seems Stunt was the only one that noticed that the 3rd upgraded flower tower does NINE MILLION , not 90 K... thats insta kill right there.. just have to find a way

909090

 

tm37

Lifer
Jan 24, 2001
12,436
1
0
I can still only get to 76

Also the flowers are actually pretty good if you put them in the corners to maximize their hit range
 

flashbacck

Golden Member
Aug 3, 2001
1,921
0
76
anyone else notice the discrepancy between what the upgrade button says about the next level's stats and what the next level's stats actually are (on the right side)?
 

KLin

Lifer
Feb 29, 2000
29,557
166
106
Originally posted by: flashbacck
anyone else notice the discrepancy between what the upgrade button says about the next level's stats and what the next level's stats actually are (on the right side)?

OMG A BUG!!!
 

ShadowOfMyself

Diamond Member
Jun 22, 2006
4,227
2
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Originally posted by: KLin
Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
It seems Stunt was the only one that noticed that the 3rd upgraded flower tower does NINE MILLION , not 90 K... thats insta kill right there.. just have to find a way

909090

Oh, thats 900 K then! Still, its 100x the damage of a fully upgraded nature tower
 

KLin

Lifer
Feb 29, 2000
29,557
166
106
Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Originally posted by: KLin
Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
It seems Stunt was the only one that noticed that the 3rd upgraded flower tower does NINE MILLION , not 90 K... thats insta kill right there.. just have to find a way

909090

Oh, thats 900 K then! Still, its 100x the damage of a fully upgraded nature tower

It doesn't really matter, I don't think there's a way to get it upgraded that far.
 

Cogman

Lifer
Sep 19, 2000
10,283
134
106
Ok, for all of you that are interested, here is what I have learned so far.

1. The Water tower is MORE cost efficiant then the Nature tower until the nature tower is all the way lvled up.
2. It is better to have 1 Highly upgraded tower then 50 lower level towers.
3. the Water towers maximum cost efficiancy is at the 2nd to last level (if built in the middle of the map) so don't go to the max level unless it is in the middle of the map.
4. Nature towers are recommended, but wait until you have the money to fully upgrade them (2375) and then build them in the middle).
5. The middle of a regular (no window trick) game is about 1.5 cm to the left of the line on the sixth bend (not where it looks to be.) This was found by crossing two lines in MS paint so It could be off

Hope this help you guys. Im testing it out now to see how it works.
 
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