If it is, so what? Is that not a desirable goal, for middle & working class Americans to do better so that the vast majority of us can all do better through increased commerce?
Do you think the ACA is part of Obama's plan to "bridge the income gap"?
If it is, so what? Is that not a desirable goal, for middle & working class Americans to do better so that the vast majority of us can all do better through increased commerce?
LOL Quite true.It is amazing how far up your authoritarian government overlords ass you have stuck your head, so far in fact if you don't pull back a little you're likely to trigger Obama's gag reflex.
There are people literally dependent on others to feed and clean them who have reading comprehension and logic skills orders of magnitude above yours. I suspect you may literally be the most stupid person on the Internet.With the exception of the increased copay, which he likely won't spend anyway, he did, for an extra $5/mo. In his own words. His plan was apparently ACA compliant in other particulars.
I seriously doubt that the extra $1000 he has riding on that copay will inhibit him from buying a boat or going back to school, other than being a convenient sob story excuse for not doing so.
Don't have to go fuck myself, I have Obama to do that for me.My lifestyle will be taking a major hit.
I won't be able to buy a boat so I can go back to school.
Major lifestyle hit = not being able to get a boat so I can afford school.
Go fuck yourself and consider how lucky you truly are compared to many others. You just sound like one of the entitled assholes you all complain about, but worse because you're actually able to think about getting yourself a boat.
So you've already forgotten that your costs were supposed to be reduced by $2500. Was that due to denial or just forgetfulness?
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/dec/10/bluecross-opts-not-to-extend-small-employer/?business
This year Obamacare helped me out by raising my out-of-pocket by $1,000 for the exact same coverage. Next year Obamacare is helping me out by having my insurance cancelled. Thanks, Obama!
Our little company already struggled to provide the health insurance we do provide; I seriously doubt we'll provide health insurance at all next year. But whether we do or not, my lifestyle will be taking a major hit. I certainly won't be buying a boat this spring; Lord knows what else we'll have to cut out for me to go back to school.
At this point I do not believe I could ever again vote for a Democrat at the national level even if someone like Rick Santorum is running. I'm not at all sure I could ever again vote for a Democrat even at the state or local level.
It helps three groups - people who don't have insurance through an employer and now qualify for Medicaid, people who don't have insurance through an employer and were previously uninsurable because of pre-existing conditions but have plenty of money to afford the new sky-high premiums, and people who wish the current system destroyed so that they can assume complete control of the American people with a single-payer Government health care system.Hmmm. I am married, have 3 kids, a dog, 2 cars, and a house worth around $140,000 last time I checked. I work full time. I suspect I'm one of those 'normal' families. My health care costs went up $1800 in premium payments, and every one of the deductibles doubled. In the end, I suspect my total costs went up around $4,000 a year.
Quickly, someone tell me how much money the ACA saved me. Oh, wait! I own a sailing dinghy. Does that mean I don't count, because I'm a selfish dick that owns a boat?
Why is it every time I see someone point out how the ACA is affecting them negatively, people try to jump in to justify it? It leaves me wondering just who, exactly, the ACA actually helps? Only people with a pre-condition?
Oh, we already own a boat, a 14' 1980 Stottcraft with a 1975 Mercury. We were going to buy a new boat - or at least one manufactured in the last thirty years. One with tilt/trim, that can be driven onto the trailer rather than me having to wade around, lift the outboard, and then winch it up. One that starts every time you want it to start.You serious? Think of the incalculable money you are saving by not owning a boat, and putting more into health insurance.
Under the old system employer sponsored health plans were tax deductible.
Someone somewhere has to pay for that lost revenue. Probably a large group of people who don't know you.
Amen brother. My health plan has changed every year since the 90's and costs have gone up as well.
Surely I can blame the ACA in some way for this...
There are people literally dependent on others to feed and clean them who have reading comprehension and logic skills orders of magnitude above yours. I suspect you may literally be the most stupid person on the Internet.
I recognize propaganda when I see it, and you're slinging it all over the place. You admitted that the $1000 in question isn't really out of pocket, as you claimed, but rather potential expense based on increased deductible. Those are not the same thing, but you asserted that they are in your first sentence in the OP. Fundamentally dishonest.
The whole business about the boat & going back to school is just a crass plea for sympathy, because you're oh so oppressed & depressed about the idea that you might have to shell out an extra $1000 for healthcare. Might. Maybe. You'll find out, right? But not before going on w/ some great tale of woe about the Evil Obama! complete with predictions of doom for us all.
I get it. You're just throwing out chunks of red meat to keep the usual ravers emotionally engaged, intellectually crippled. It works, but only on the gullible, the faithful, the people who are just dying to have their own misperceptions validated.
Oh, we already own a boat, a 14' 1980 Stottcraft with a 1975 Mercury. We were going to buy a new boat - or at least one manufactured in the last thirty years. One with tilt/trim, that can be driven onto the trailer rather than me having to wade around, lift the outboard, and then winch it up. One that starts every time you want it to start.
However, Obama decided we needed maternity insurance more, and apparently in our budget he has 100 votes to our two. If a new boat is the only thing we have to give up, we'll count ourselves among the fortunate. Maybe we'll get "I survived Obamacare" tee shirts.
Probably not, since "Obamacare" is now a racial slur.
I get it. You're just throwing out chunks of red meat to keep the usual ravers emotionally engaged, intellectually crippled. It works, but only on the gullible, the faithful, the people who are just dying to have their own misperceptions validated.
So if your recognize propaganda, do you realize how much of it your spreading?
Obamacare benefits old, sick, and poor.
Anyone working in the middle class will end up being raped by it.
Fascinating part of the discussion.
Wealth will be redirected, by force, to healthcare. Could the same be said of Social Security?
At the rate Obama is fucking me, that might actually happen.
Given the cluster fuck that was the roll-out of Obamacare, he'll really have to screw up our existing health care system to have people consider a single payer system administered by the same people. I do however have faith in Obama; man could fuck up an anvil with a feather.
Do you think he gets it? This bigger picture stuff wrapped up in common sense is a real stretch for some of our leftie friends.
So he's an asshole for being able to afford a boat? But he shouldn't be able to buy the boat, he should have to pay for other people's health insurance. Even if those people don't want health insurance?
Its not his money, it's the dem's money. He needs to stop pretending that it's his
So are you saying the ACA isn't making rates go up?
On the plus side if you get pregnant you will now have coverage.:awe:
WOW! That sucks donkey ass. Obama and the Democrats have crafted a surefire way to have a lot more Americans without health insurance as well as having a lot more people and companies paying penalty taxes.
Note to self: When politician says "comprehensive", he means "truly horrible".
I.e., anyone who agrees with him is an idiot.
Nice. Pot, meet kettle.
This is completely backward. Low demand for debt causes interest rates to rise.