another civil war and we actually split, who would be more successful thereafter?

[brainhulk]

North or South?

 

[Jeff7]

North: I'll call dibs on trade deals for Canada's oil!

Or else we just charge a fat transit fee for any oil passing through our land and heading south.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I think if we split this time it would be east and west, not north and south.

 

[andylawcc]

whoever Florida is not sided with, will win.

 

[kyrax12]

Do you guys think there will be a civil war in the U.S in our lifetime?

 

[utahraptor]

Yes. At the point automation reduces labor to being only done by the 1%'s corporate robots the rest of us will be jobless and hungry. The government will switch to serving the people or we will likely starve. If the government continues to serve the 1% exclusively those in the military will be the only ones with the means to survive. They will want to continue surviving and defend the 1% from everyone else.

 

[Crono]

I think if we split this time it would be east and west, not north and south.

The coasts are more similar to each other than the middle of the country. But that would be an awkward civil war.

 

[Jeff7]

whoever Florida is not sided with, will win.

That'll be part of the motivation: Whoever loses will get stuck with Florida, though that might violate some part of the Geneva Conventions.

Yes. At the point automation reduces labor to being only done by the 1%'s corporate robots the rest of us will be jobless and hungry. The government will switch to serving the people or we will likely starve. If the government continues to serve the 1% exclusively those in the military will be the only ones with the means to survive. They will want to continue surviving and defend the 1% from everyone else.

At the point robots become able to act as sexual partners, society simply collapses, with the exception of those who repair and maintain sexbots. Then everyone starves.

There will certainly be interesting times ahead though, as that automation becomes more and more intelligent and capable. We've already got some lights-out factories here and there. What does our species do if we really are capable of eliminating most of the problems that have plagued us for millennia?
Thoroughly domesticated humans, born into a life of retirement.

The coasts are more similar to each other than the middle of the country. But that would be an awkward civil war.

The armies of the coasts announce their compromise for peace: "We'll just meet in the middle, how's that?"

The center of the country thinks, at first, that this sounds like a good sign...but then gives it a little more thought, and prepares for the onslaught.

 

[slag]

That'll be part of the motivation: Whoever loses will get stuck with Florida, though that might violate some part of the Geneva Conventions.



At the point robots become able to act as sexual partners, society simply collapses, with the exception of those who repair and maintain sexbots. Then everyone starves.

There will certainly be interesting times ahead though, as that automation becomes more and more intelligent and capable. We've already got some lights-out factories here and there. What does our species do if we really are capable of eliminating most of the problems that have plagued us for millennia?
Thoroughly domesticated humans, born into a life of retirement.



The armies of the coasts announce their compromise for peace: "We'll just meet in the middle, how's that?"

The center of the country thinks, at first, that this sounds like a good sign...but then gives it a little more thought, and prepares for the onslaught.

There are a heck of a lot of gun toting bible lovin' folks in the Midwest. It would be a good skirmish.

 

[Jeff7]

There are a heck of a lot of gun toting bible lovin' folks in the Midwest. It would be a good skirmish.

California could threaten to cut off the Midwest's access to their Strategic Porn Reserves.

The deal offered: Porn for guns.

 

[kyrax12]

If robots become automatons then I want to see a BSG scenario. That would be so cool!

 

[Bateluer]

Do you guys think there will be a civil war in the U.S in our lifetime?

Doubtful. Economies are too interconnected, too interdependent. People may talk big and beat their chests, but splitting the USA along any region would put everyone at a disadvantages.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Yes. At the point automation reduces labor to being only done by the 1%'s corporate robots the rest of us will be jobless and hungry. The government will switch to serving the people or we will likely starve. If the government continues to serve the 1% exclusively those in the military will be the only ones with the means to survive. They will want to continue surviving and defend the 1% from everyone else.

lol, the common American has hardly ever had it better. Even if the 47% could be successfully convinced that they're getting a shit deal by performing tedious for inflated wages to live in an air conditioned home with all the fattening food and pirated movies and porn they could ever consume all the while paying merely sales tax and maybe property tax if by some miracle they aren't renters, they would do little more than complain to their equally unambitious and low-worth peers and family. Maybe slightly more would not not vote in the following election.

 

[blankslate]

whoever Florida is not sided with, will win.

Both sides will just carpet bomb Florida with Nukes just to get rid of them.

 

[smitbret]

Depends on when they close the border and who gets stuck with all of the deadweight sunbirds that travel North in the summer and South for the winter.

 

[zerocool84]

The South would lose again seeing as they have the highest obesity rates and std rates in the county.

 

[Kadarin]

The country would probably break into three parts: The west coast, the northeast, and all the red states in the middle led by Texas. Alaska and Hawaii would probably both do their own thing or join Canada.

 

[Imp]

Just promise the South to the Mexican cartels or maybe China...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Time has proven that there are two unforgivable sins, failure to pay taxes and rebellion. Withdrawing States would be a minority and DC would exterminate the population if it came to it.

 

[desura]

I consider myself a Northerner at least in...ideology.

But the South would quickly outpace the North.

Just look at where manufacturing is still done in the USA. BMW has a plant in Georgia I believe. There was some scandal about Boeing moving work to their S. Carolina plant because the Northern plant was giving them too many union troubles.

I get the feeling that Northern economics are pretty feudal, all tied up in like which Ivy league school you went to.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Both sides will just carpet bomb Florida with Nukes just to get rid of them.

Well, if something that good comes from the war then I'm all for it.

 

[superccs]

Entertaining thread. Lol at Florida. Too easy

 

[techs]

It depends how you split up the country.

If you took the old Mason-Dixon line you would get some states that are ideologically southern in the north and vice versa.

But lets say you did use the Mason-Dixon line. And the split was amicable. And Alaska and Hawaii go their own ways.

The North would be far richer than the South. The South is mostly recipient states that get far more from the Feds than the South. The North has a far better educational system an far more high tech industries. It would even be better off energy security wise since North Dakota will be the largest oil producer and the northeast the largest natural gas producer. Plus the north, with its large cities is far more energy efficient.

While both countries would do well the South would generally be an agricultural and low cost manufacturer. Low cost manufacturing without the built in markets of the North would mean competing far more with China, etc than the North would have to. And agriculture would be forced to compete with world wide competition without the Norths money to subsidize farming.

Ideologically the North would probably be more European. The health care system would cost less and be better, as it is in the wealthy European countries. The South would lose all the Federal Medicaid money and probably lose a lot of hospitals, etc and all that go with them.

One of the few products that Americans tend to buy because they are made in America is cars. So I would expect Toyota, etc to move some of its manufacturing North.

In the long run, better educated, more technological, high service countries will do better than low wage, poorer educated and less healthy countries. So the North would win economically.

 

[AMCRambler]

No refineries in the north. Everything petroleum producing is in the south.

And which way does the Mid-west side? They make the food we all eat. North or South would go hungry without the Midwest states. North would go hungry first though. South still has some agriculture.

I think the South would win. Assuming an equal split of the armed forces. If the army sided with one or the other, it would be the deciding factor.

 

[IronWing]

No refineries in the north. Everything petroleum producing is in the south.

And which way does the Mid-west side? They make the food we all eat. North or South would go hungry without the Midwest states. North would go hungry first though. South still has some agriculture.

I think the South would win. Assuming an equal split of the armed forces. If the army sided with one or the other, it would be the deciding factor.

Wat? The state of New Jersey is one giant refinery. Never been to Gary, Indiana? Add the Pennsylvania gas boom to the North Dakota oil boom to Wyoming coal and the North is well covered for energy.

The bread basket states sided with the North last time round.


Also, can the OP post his home address so the nearest ATOTer can stab him in the face for posting these hypotheticals?