Another cop shooting

[mizzou]

This has nothing to do with LEO's using black men as target practice (I've heard people use the term, sigh....)

It's all about the over-reaction and over-emphasis on furtive movements. He made a typical furtive movement, and the officer immediately recognized it (reaching in the car, looks towards beneath the seat)

The officer drew his weapon, backed off and went for cover. When the man turned around, he IMMEDIATELY shot towards him. Something in his brain said "This guy has a gun, and I need to shoot him before I get shot"

Problem was, he didn't have a gun nor was he reaching for one.

He didn't identify a threat, he identified the possibility of a threat. You can't shoot someone because you expect a lethal threat.

All these cops have seen videos where their fellow brothers are gunned down on what most would say is a unknown risk traffic stop. People get out of their cars, and start shooting them. This is ingrained in their minds.

NSFW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ752HBcmoI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrMWoikwMgU

Traffic stops are a jack in the box, you never know if the surprise is nothing or if the surprise is a gun

 

[BeeBoop]

I'm not so sure about that. I think there is an unnatural fear of black men that is helping this stuff to happen.

I'll agree with this. I think the cop will get off of most charges though since it seemed like he was in fear of a weapon. Glad that he got fired though.


On another note, I always tell a cop where I'm reaching when he asks for my licenses or insurance. I think it's just common sense considering the guy that pulled you over has a gun.

 

[moonbogg]

This has nothing to do with LEO's using black men as target practice (I've heard people use the term, sigh....)

It's all about the over-reaction and over-emphasis on furtive movements. He made a typical furtive movement, and the officer immediately recognized it (reaching in the car, looks towards beneath the seat)

The officer drew his weapon, backed off and went for cover. When the man turned around, he IMMEDIATELY shot towards him. Something in his brain said "This guy has a gun, and I need to shoot him before I get shot"

Problem was, he didn't have a gun nor was he reaching for one.

He didn't identify a threat, he identified the possibility of a threat. You can't shoot someone because you expect a lethal threat.

All these cops have seen videos where their fellow brothers are gunned down on what most would say is a unknown risk traffic stop. People get out of their cars, and start shooting them. This is ingrained in their minds.

NSFW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ752HBcmoI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrMWoikwMgU

Traffic stops are a jack in the box, you never know if the surprise is nothing or if the surprise is a gun

I think the cop did what he had to do. That guy was a little energetic if you ask me and jumped around all nervous like before diving into his truck. Who moves that fast for no reason? God damn. He turned around all super quick and dove head first into the truck like a reckless idiot.
Also, I won't be clicking on those links. I can't stand to watch cops getting shot while just doing their job.

 

[HumblePie]

Truth be told, the man should never have exited his vehicle when pulled over.

When the cop asked him for his license, and the man realized it wasn't in his back pocket, the first thing the man should have done was tell the cop he was going to reach into his car to retrieve his license. The man just jumps inside the car and the cop has no idea if the man is going for a gun or not.

Still, the officer should never have fired his weapon. Drawn his weapon? Yes. Issue clear commands to the man that dove into his car to stop what he was doing, place his hands in the air, and to back slowly out of the vehicle. The cop over reacted by shooting first and then continuing to shoot after seeing the man still unarmed. The cop deserves criminal punishment for that.

Again I can see why the cop would get anxious at the man diving back into his car without a word to the police officer why he was doing so. You just don't make sudden movements like that around officers.

 

[Brovane]

Truth be told, the man should never have exited his vehicle when pulled over.

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I do agree. In these situations it is best to remain in the car with your hands on the wheel until you receive instructions. If at night turn on the overhead light in your car. This isn't a excuse for the Cops actions in shooting.

However the Cop was clearly at fault because he didn't control the situation. Being stopped by LE is stressful and the general public doesn't always thing clearly.

 

[moonbogg]

Truth be told, the man should never have exited his vehicle when pulled over.

When the cop asked him for his license, and the man realized it wasn't in his back pocket, the first thing the man should have done was tell the cop he was going to reach into his car to retrieve his license. The man just jumps inside the car and the cop has no idea if the man is going for a gun or not.

When I've been pulled over and asked for registration, I always told them that it was in the glove box, and I sat there and did nothing until a clear response with eye contact was received. I have no confusion about the fact that if I reach into any unseen area of the car, that I will be dead in a second or two. I fully expect to die by reaching into the glove box. Again, I fully expect, and would not blame any officer, for blowing my god damn head off instantly by simply reaching into a glove box without clearly communicating my intentions before hand. This guy who got shot was an idiot, I'm sorry to say.

 

[moonbogg]

I do agree. In these situations it is best to remain in the car with your hands on the wheel until you receive instructions. If at night turn on the overhead light in your car. This isn't a excuse for the Cops actions in shooting.

However the Cop was clearly at fault because he didn't control the situation. Being stopped by LE is stressful and the general public doesn't always thing clearly.

If it were me, I would have not been shot. Know why? I always stay seated with hands on the wheel. I roll down the windows and take off my sun glasses, all before the cop even gets to my car. I make sure they can see me and my eyes clearly. Its called courtesy and people don't have it these days. Cops are disrespected, attacked, verbally abused and generally treated poorly. If they pull me over they will have had at least one decent traffic stop that day. If I get a ticket, I accept it, tell him thank you and to have a good day. God damn why people can't just do that I'll never understand.

 

[soulcougher73]

Cant totally blame the cop other than hes a really bad shot lol. Shitty situation that could easily read "Cop gunned down after traffic stop" had the guy actually gone for a gun.

 

[Raizinman]

Next time I'm in a Dunkin Doughnuts, I'm going to announce that I'm pulling a doughnut out of the bag so I won't get shot.

 

[Thebobo]

First this trooper is a horrible shot. The last shot hits Levons truck behind the door while Levon is 10 feet away falling down.

So he got pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt, I call BS on that.

Where is the Audio right up to where he hurriedly backs up and turns around?

At least the Cop was fired, charged and arrested right away.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Raw footage, 3 min 14 sec (shows before and more of after):

1st video on the page

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...er-videos-catch-them-shooting-beating-people/

 

[CitizenKain]

I think the cop did what he had to do. That guy was a little energetic if you ask me and jumped around all nervous like before diving into his truck. Who moves that fast for no reason? God damn. He turned around all super quick and dove head first into the truck like a reckless idiot.
Also, I won't be clicking on those links. I can't stand to watch cops getting shot while just doing their job.

Why wouldn't he be nervous? Its not like there have been cases of people being gunned down by police recently for no reason.
I hope this fucking pig spends the rest of his worthless life thinking about what a fuckup he is.

 

[bradly1101]

I don't know if it's a training or screening problem, it does appear that some police have become ultra sensitive to the possibility a person is armed...

Maybe if there weren't enough guns in this country to arm every single person they wouldn't be so scared.

 

[LTC8K6]

The cop should have remained behind his door and told the guy to get back in the vehicle.

 

[Bo625]

A recent Washington State Unversity study shows not being the case.

http://reason.com/blog/2014/09/03/study-people-more-likely-to-shoot-white

Those of us who are white and hear old white men talk when they don't think any black people are around know that it's absolutely true.

 

[Bo625]

That you can't refute.....lolol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

Just because you want it to be true doesn't mean it is.

Aren't you "There's no way I can hate blacks, I married a Filipino!" dude? Didn't you comment recently on people in Texas making comments about your wife's skin tone and your gay daughter moving to get away from intolerance, and you're seriously going to try to say that this guy's color had nothing to do with this "cop" panicking?

 

[JEDIYoda]

That you can't refute.....lolol

Why do I need to refute your study??? It`s obvious that one study does not make any point at all...everybody knows that!!

 

[pcgeek11]

Bad shooting. And I usually reserve judgement, but that video tells it all.

 

[Oldgamer]

Don't count on him really doing any time though. I was listening to the news with experts today who said that it is possible that the police union can get this arbitrated for him and he could end up not doing any time. They were talking about how it is very rare for cops these days to actually do time for instances like this.

Anyway, I don't see the guy lunging or diving as so many keep putting it. He is complying with what the officer is asking him to do. This whole thing with cops shooting because movement is too fast, or too slow or what ever, has really got to stop. They are training these cops to be pussies, and be so scared all the time that they are just plain trigger happy. Thank god for the dashcam video. In addition the cop says he was asking for his ID because of a seatbelt violation?? Really? C'mon..

 

[master_shake_]

Don't count on him really doing any time though. I was listening to the news with experts today who said that it is possible that the police union can get this arbitrated for him and he could end up not doing any time. They were talking about how it is very rare for cops these days to actually do time for instances like this.

Anyway, I don't see the guy lunging or diving as so many keep putting it. He is complying with what the officer is asking him to do. This whole thing with cops shooting because movement is too fast, or too slow or what ever, has really got to stop. They are training these cops to be pussies, and be so scared all the time that they are just plain trigger happy. Thank god for the dashcam video. In addition the cop says he was asking for his ID because of a seatbelt violation?? Really? C'mon..

but he's not in the union he was fired? no?

 

[BeeBoop]

Union or no union, I don't see him doing any time either. He was doing his job. Obviously, a poor job but non the less he responded with deadly force because he was in fear of a weapon. This wasn't racially motivated and the way he was running and jumping for cover seemed like he really believed the guy had a weapon. I don't see him doing any time.

 

[HomerJS]

Lesson to take from this if you are a black male

offer any type of resistance you get shot
comply, and you get shot

the really sickening part is the guy apologizing to that cop like,

"thank you massa for my beatins'"

 

[ivwshane]

Don't count on him really doing any time though. I was listening to the news with experts today who said that it is possible that the police union can get this arbitrated for him and he could end up not doing any time. They were talking about how it is very rare for cops these days to actually do time for instances like this.

Anyway, I don't see the guy lunging or diving as so many keep putting it. He is complying with what the officer is asking him to do. This whole thing with cops shooting because movement is too fast, or too slow or what ever, has really got to stop. They are training these cops to be pussies, and be so scared all the time that they are just plain trigger happy. Thank god for the dashcam video. In addition the cop says he was asking for his ID because of a seatbelt violation?? Really? C'mon..

Or they aren't really training them at all. If a cop unconsciously acts/reacts differently between a black man and a white man, he shouldn't be a cop.

Lesson to take from this if you are a black male

offer any type of resistance you get shot
comply, and you get shot

the really sickening part is the guy apologizing to that cop like,

"thank you massa for my beatins'"

It's all part of the differences between white justice and black justice.

 

[dmcowen674]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Londo_Jowo
That you can't refute.....lolol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

Just because you want it to be true doesn't mean it is.

Aren't you "There's no way I can hate blacks, I married a Filipino!" dude? Didn't you comment recently on people in Texas making comments about your wife's skin tone and your gay daughter moving to get away from intolerance, and you're seriously going to try to say that this guy's color had nothing to do with this "cop" panicking?

15 posts? How do you know so much about Jowo already?

WWYBYWB?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

Just because you want it to be true doesn't mean it is.

Aren't you "There's no way I can hate blacks, I married a Filipino!" dude? Didn't you comment recently on people in Texas making comments about your wife's skin tone and your gay daughter moving to get away from intolerance, and you're seriously going to try to say that this guy's color had nothing to do with this "cop" panicking?

My wife is not a Filipino, she's Indonesian. The people making comments about wife and daughter was when we lived in Virginia.

As for the cop panicking I have no clue if it was due to an overreaction to the man's color or him moving too quickly reentering the car.

You remind me of a previously banned member - jking106