Another day another beating by cops

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rudeguy

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Well, there's at least one group (specific minority) that has been complaining all along for decades that this has been happening to them. And the rest of us haven't started listening until now. Whereas I used to scoff at these complaints, I am now beginning to firmly believe them.

I've been saying all along that this isn't a black thing. The media twisted it that way to get more hype but it's not true. It's a cop vs us thing instead of a white vs black thing.
 

Zorkorist

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It's a Government thing, where to be truthful we could all be pulled over at anytime, and for any reason, and if we don't act right, we may be shot.

Papers, Please.

-John
 

Catriona

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Well, there's at least one group (specific minority) that has been complaining all along for decades that this has been happening to them. And the rest of us haven't started listening until now. Whereas I used to scoff at these complaints, I am now beginning to firmly believe them.

I didn't scoff, but I thought it didn't apply to me. I'm ashamed of that, but I'm honest enough to admit it. I don't think any of us can be that complacent any more.
 

Catriona

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I've been saying all along that this isn't a black thing. The media twisted it that way to get more hype but it's not true. It's a cop vs us thing instead of a white vs black thing.

I agree. But I do think that when it's primarily a black thing, some will use that as a reason to distance themselves from the problem.
 

rudeguy

Lifer
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I carry too. But what about those who don't? And what if my carrying is just the justification a less-than-ethical LEO needs some day?


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When I was young and free and my imagination had no limits, I dreamed of changing the world. As I grew older and wiser, I discovered the world would not change, so I shortened my sights somewhat and decided to change only my country.

"But it, too, seemed immovable.

"As I grew into my twilight years, in one last desperate attempt, I settled for changing only my family, those closest to me, but alas, they would have none of it.

"And now, as I lie on my deathbed, I suddenly realize: If I had only changed myself first, then by example I would have changed my family.

"From their inspiration and encouragement, I would then have been able to better my country, and who knows, I may have even changed the world.
 

Paul98

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I am glad to see so much of this coming to light, it's been going on for a while and getting worse. Finally I expect we will be seeing things start to change as we see more and more.
 

Subyman

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Didn't noticed they tased him at the beginning too. Had his hands spread, then they tased him. You can see him flinch and then put his hands behind his back and then back out. He was trying all he could to show he was surrendering. He couldn't be much clearer as to his surrender unless a white flag raised out of his ass hole.
 

master_shake_

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Didn't noticed they tased him at the beginning too. Had his hands spread, then they tased him. You can see him flinch and then put his hands behind his back and then back out. He was trying all he could to show he was surrendering. He couldn't be much clearer as to his surrender unless a white flag raised out of his ass hole.

You should invent and market that.

The white ass flag of surrender.

Be a hit in america.
 

Catriona

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Try pulling on a cop, see how long you last...

I hope I wouldn't be foolish enough to pull a gun on a cop just because I was carrying! My thought was actually whether or not simply the fact that I was carrying, with no other provocation, could cause a cop to feel justified in using deadly force.
 

cyclohexane

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where are the "patriot" groups who showed up at Clive Bundy's ranch with guns to protest last year?

Why aren't they protesting this police tyranny? Haven't heard a peep from them.
 

Attic

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What are the real options for stopping this?

We have been deluded into thinking votes carry power, but they don't. Truth is that folks really don't have the much power (vote or other), otherwise we wouldn't be seeing this behavior as much. I also note that for everyone of these situations caught on camera, there are many many others. Isolated incidents my arse.


Not seeing any easy solutions given the current tenor of citizens vs government agencies. Line up as ordered or get steamrolled please. I think i'll line the fuck up thank you very much.
 

rudeguy

Lifer
Dec 27, 2001
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where are the "patriot" groups who showed up at Clive Bundy's ranch with guns to protest last year?

Why aren't they protesting this police tyranny? Haven't heard a peep from them.

You mean the liberal media you pay attention to hasn't covered this? That's a surprise.
 

JSt0rm

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You mean the liberal media you pay attention to hasn't covered this? That's a surprise.

What does your sentence even mean? I've read it like 4 times and I think you are saying the liberal media are covering the militia groups? But I don't understand how that is even relevant to anything?
 

mizzou

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What are the real options for stopping this?

We have been deluded into thinking votes carry power, but they don't. Truth is that folks really don't have the much power (vote or other), otherwise we wouldn't be seeing this behavior as much. I also note that for everyone of these situations caught on camera, there are many many others. Isolated incidents my arse.


Not seeing any easy solutions given the current tenor of citizens vs government agencies. Line up as ordered or get steamrolled please. I think i'll line the fuck up thank you very much.

How do you stop a segment of our country from being ultra-violent? Hmm...violence in USA? You mean, that thing we can't get enough of? Good luck with that.

We live in a country that glorifies violence and being ready for a fight. Don't be so sick to your stomach when you see exactly what you want unfold on TV.

If you want to see a change, you need to change the mindset. If you only get rid of these thug cops who just want to beat some ass because they are angry, you are probably going to replace them with more thug cops who want to beat some ass. Can you train them to not beat ass? Maybe, but even in a Zoo, trained animals will revert to their core at some point and maul their trainer.

It's not that "Cops" are "Animals"...we in the usa, are all trained to act like animals from birth.

This country could do with a peace movement to be honest. Less songs about S&W.40's, less songs about being ready to fight and killing people....more songs about peace and love to your neighbor and brother.
 

Subyman

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I think the proliferation of these videos more and more will start to change things. Cops can't walk down the street without people having their camera ready. Pretty sad how the only way to keep them in line is to expose them when our "watchmen" should be moral people in the first place, but that is our reality. A tide of real police punishment and not just a slap on the wrist should be incoming as well.

Hopefully cameras become so ubiquitous to the point where having any witness to the crime = video evidence.
 

mizzou

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Hopefully cameras become so ubiquitous to the point where having any witness to the crime = video evidence.

One downside to this is that prosecutors will eventually do nothing without video evidence. This is good and bad.

Bad situation. You were mugged in the street and somehow a cop was nearby and arrested the guy who mugged you....the guy may come up with some crazy defense and say he arrested the wrong person. Oops, no cameras or camera wasn't pointed right direction. No prosecution. Since eyewitness/verbal testimony is now worthless, video evidence is all that matters.

Good situation. You and the cop actually point out the wrong guy who mugged you.


I'm not trying to say video evidence isn't powerful, it's extremely powerful, but we have to be careful about trying to get rid of the fact that overall we should trust a truthful and honest person.
 

Subyman

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One downside to this is that prosecutors will eventually do nothing without video evidence. This is good and bad.

Bad situation. You were mugged in the street and somehow a cop was nearby and arrested the guy who mugged you....the guy may come up with some crazy defense and say he arrested the wrong person. Oops, no cameras or camera wasn't pointed right direction. No prosecution. Since eyewitness/verbal testimony is now worthless, video evidence is all that matters.

Good situation. You and the cop actually point out the wrong guy who mugged you.


I'm not trying to say video evidence isn't powerful, it's extremely powerful, but we have to be careful about trying to get rid of the fact that overall we should trust a truthful and honest person.

The extra evidence will make the case stronger. What you are saying is that as a society we may increase our burden of proof as video becomes more prolific thereby making normal eye-witness testimony carry less weight when there is no video evidence. So far that eye-witness testimony may be viewed as useless.

I'm not sure I quite agree with eye-witness testimony without video evidence will ever be useless, but I do believe some may begin to rely too much on video evidence. You bring up a good point, the magnitude of how it changes the way we perceive proof of a crime is an interesting topic of discussion.
 

BeeBoop

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If the guy was black, there would be riots like Rodney king. Those officers need to be fired.
 
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