Another day, another school shooting

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Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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The police haven't determined a motive like it's a complete mystery that somebody triggered her self hate somehow or another. People don't kill others who love life itself.
 

eelw

Lifer
Dec 4, 1999
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The police haven't determined a motive like it's a complete mystery that somebody triggered her self hate somehow or another. People don't kill others who love life itself.
My rant isn’t directed at you. But it’s because of the asinine religious beliefs that won’t accept gays. Obviously she was suicidal. And she lashed out at people who wouldn’t accept her. Her parents are cooperating. But will it show they also weren’t accepting her? Because if they were happy at her sexual orientation, she wouldn’t have done this. And yes the matter of idiot gun owners.
 

manly

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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I guess my memory doesn't remember that far. I'll go with second then.
I've no idea what the number is, but it's incredibly rare.

Wow, the 16-year-old shooter referenced above was tried and convicted as an adult, and is still in state prison.
 

Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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Only three dead? Come on, does that even count in America at this point?
Everybody hates all this killing but they also don't want to know the real cause of why it happens. Blame guns, blame a lack of mental health care, blame anything other that it is the manifestation of the violence we do to each other and will not look at.
 

Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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My rant isn’t directed at you. But it’s because of the asinine religious beliefs that won’t accept gays. Obviously she was suicidal. And she lashed out at people who wouldn’t accept her. Her parents are cooperating. But will it show they also weren’t accepting her? Because if they were happy at her sexual orientation, she wouldn’t have done this. And yes the matter of idiot gun owners.
In this case it is likely a reflection of the collective hatred of gays that results from growing up gay in a bigoted society but the hatred of gays is just a piece of the hatred our society contains and reflects to all manner of so called”ed undesirable difference.

We have been deeply programmed by violence to never ever be our real selves. We are the carriers of suppressed hatred and the desire to get even monsters wearing angel faces.

Of course there is one exception, me.
 
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ajsdkflsdjfio

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My rant isn’t directed at you. But it’s because of the asinine religious beliefs that won’t accept gays. Obviously she was suicidal. And she lashed out at people who wouldn’t accept her. Her parents are cooperating. But will it show they also weren’t accepting her? Because if they were happy at her sexual orientation, she wouldn’t have done this. And yes the matter of idiot gun owners.
She wasn't transgender/gay nor was she persecuted for some sexual orientation. She was female, straight and had a boyfriend.

Don't really know why u guys are turning this into some identity politics/religion thing... why everything gotta be about putting people into groups and trying to categorize people. Maybe this is why American society is degrading so fast.

 
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Zor Prime

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Nov 7, 1999
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Aw fuck me. Poor KMFDM. This shit all over again. Some of the nicest people there are. I've had friends be their roadies and I've chatted with Lucia myself. Goddam morons with mental issues.

Anyway. That church needs to rename itself or face false advertising lawsuits. Not quite so abundant life anymore.
 
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purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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I don't understand how like 1 out of 100 shooters is trans (totally making that number up just for this point) and then all the anti-trans people are like "SEE I TOLD YOU TRANS PEOPLE ARE THE ONES DOING MASS SHOOTINGS THEY ARE BAD!" and totally ignore the other 99 shooters that were non-trans straight people.

The logic behind this just makes absolutely no sense.

It's the same people who are saying that illegals are the ones committing all the crimes and totally ignore all of the crimes that the citizens of the country are committing.
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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I don't understand how like 1 out of 100 shooters is trans (totally making that number up just for this point) and then all the anti-trans people are like "SEE I TOLD YOU TRANS PEOPLE ARE THE ONES DOING MASS SHOOTINGS THEY ARE BAD!" and totally ignore the other 99 shooters that were non-trans straight people.

The logic behind this just makes absolutely no sense.

It's the same people who are saying that illegals are the ones committing all the crimes and totally ignore all of the crimes that the citizens of the country are committing.

Same reason why they notice every case of a cyclist hitting and injuring a pedestrian, or jumping red lights, but ignore the vastly larger number of cases of motorists doing the same. Outgroup-homogeneity, I think it's called (or at least is related to).
 

nOOky

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Aug 17, 2004
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Being a Wisconsin resident about 2 1/2 hours from Madison the first thing I did was run home to see if my guns were safe. Thankfully they were. The very first thing one of my friends posted on social media was a meme about guns not killing people, people kill people. Fucking duh.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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I don't understand how like 1 out of 100 shooters is trans (totally making that number up just for this point) and then all the anti-trans people are like "SEE I TOLD YOU TRANS PEOPLE ARE THE ONES DOING MASS SHOOTINGS THEY ARE BAD!" and totally ignore the other 99 shooters that were non-trans straight people.

The logic behind this just makes absolutely no sense.

It's the same people who are saying that illegals are the ones committing all the crimes and totally ignore all of the crimes that the citizens of the country are committing.
Humans are absolutely terrified to imagine they could do something they regard as terrible, immoral, etc. So what we do is see behavior and immediately try to separate that person into a separate group that doesn't include them. The more specific and the more of an out group, the better.

LGBTQ, witch, foreigner, <insert political party>, <insert religion>, it's all the same word for the same thing, 'not my tribe'.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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The 'being female' doesn't itself constitute a "first", if that's what you are saying.

I Don't Like Mondays was the first 7" single I bought with my own money, as it happens. Was years before I learned what it was about (what with not being American).
The last female I remember was also at a private Christian school a couple years ago.
Everybody hates all this killing but they also don't want to know the real cause of why it happens. Blame guns, blame a lack of mental health care, blame anything other that it is the manifestation of the violence we do to each other and will not look at.
Moonbeam here with the simple solutions of convincing all humans to love themselves and completely abolishing mental illness. Just make sure no gun is harmed in the process, because moonbeam needs his metal pacifier to calm his fears.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Humans are absolutely terrified to imagine they could do something they regard as terrible, immoral, etc. So what we do is see behavior and immediately try to separate that person into a separate group that doesn't include them. The more specific and the more of an out group, the better.

LGBTQ, witch, foreigner, <insert political party>, <insert religion>, it's all the same word for the same thing, 'not my tribe'.
People did the exact same thing with COVID too. "Only the super old get it," "only the fat get it," etc.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
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People did the exact same thing with COVID too. "Only the super old get it," "only the fat get it," etc.

Those were all absolutely higher risk categories. But you're right in that there was a widespread impression that younger people had nothing to worry about.

Humans are absolutely terrified to imagine they could do something they regard as terrible, immoral, etc. So what we do is see behavior and immediately try to separate that person into a separate group that doesn't include them. The more specific and the more of an out group, the better.

LGBTQ, witch, foreigner, <insert political party>, <insert religion>, it's all the same word for the same thing, 'not my tribe'.

We're also terrible at evaluating risk/statistics.
 
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We're also terrible at evaluating risk/statistics.
Yep. That's why terrible NPIC interest groups use scary sounding percentages when they talk about risk and want X thing banned (looking at you, black kitchen utensils paper that had a math error). "100% increase in risk" sounds scarier than going from 1 in a million to 2 in a million.
 
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Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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Moonbeam here with the simple solutions of convincing all humans to love themselves and completely abolishing mental illness. Just make sure no gun is harmed in the process, because moonbeam needs his metal pacifier to calm his fears.

How interesting. If I were here for anything it would be to help you see you do not love yourself, why you don’t and why you don’t wat
To know you don’t want to know, and that your refusal to see your actual situation prevents tou from realizing there is actually nothing wrong with you. I am here with no capciyocet you any way other than to tell you what likely nobody else has ever told you. What you do with it is entirely up to you. There is so much pain in the world. Some hurt so badly they might like to know irs not their fault.

And while you snidely remark on the simplicity of the origins of mental illness as the result of being put down as children, you reach for that tired description of me clinging to a metal penis. Pot kettle maybe?

But I’m OK now, my green laser dot for my Sig P238 finally arrived after a week of thinking it was lost in the mail. I got so upset I was checking tracking every minute. It was terrifying. Now my dick can glow green. Just imagine that.

Still considering whether to spring for real elk antler grips Grasping those would just be the epitome of orgasmic bliss.

By the way, I hope you aren’t calling me a Fraidy-Cat tormented by all sorts of imaginary fears because that could turn out to be you projecting your fears of what you feel on me. Didn’t I tell you I know what you fear, how you really feel?

You just might fear the violence within you because you don’t know it’s there and hide from it by deeply repressing it. But that only puts you at risk of snapping. I can have a tantrum at the drop of a hat and react with, now what the fuck is coming out of hiding. I need to explore this by getting even madder. What fucking use would I have for a gun. Those are there to enjoy or in maybe once in a a million years deal with sufficiently slowly developing threat.

I have lots to do and it may be never that I sight in that laser. Just wanted to have it. I bet my cats would have a blast chasing the beam around the room.

Every person has a divine being within them. The more you know it the less you would ever think to shoot them. But the innocent should not die at the hands of those who do not know that. I would say that’s self evident.
 

Amused

Elite Member
Apr 14, 2001
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Reading her manifesto she was rabidly racist too.

I'll take odds she learned that from the very parents she hated.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Those were all absolutely higher risk categories. But you're right in that there was a widespread impression that younger people had nothing to worry about.
There were also plenty of overweight people saying only old people had to worry, or only those with diabetes, etc. Basically which ever group they could convince themselves they weren't a part of.
 
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BoomerD

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The deaths of a few children is a small price to pay to maintain our second amendment…get with it!
 
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