Given that I was confused by @soundforbjt at the beginning of this little adventure, you can feel free to call me dumb then. From the start I've been happy to have an actual conversation about the topics here. I really don't understand why there's been such a fervent defense on saving an extra couple characters at the end of the word 'semi-auto'.If I've been specifically discussing handguns with someone for half an hour and I compare semi autos to revolvers, I would expect them to understand I didn't all of the sudden switch to talking about an AR15 vs a Colt revolving rifle. If they are so dumb that they can't follow such a simple discussion and use basic logic, then I'm not going to waste my time and continue talking to them.
And since you seemingly need me to be extra specific in everything I say, I'm not calling you dumb as you said that you understood that I was comparing a REVOLVING HANDGUN and a SEMI AUTO HANDGUN.
It's also possible I was referring to a semi auto nerf gun, or a semi auto super soaker. Who really knows unless I specify exactly what I'm talking about every single time thought right?
This is dumb, feel free to have the last word. And by that I mean typing the words in the text box on the Anandtech website.
Right, so that part brings up a really good point. If the will of the people is that we should no longer have a right to bear arms, we can certainly all let our elected officials vote on the matter, assuming we can get them to stop devouring each other first of course.I think they were doing the best they could but there's no way they could anticipate the way the world is today. Of course they knew that which is why there's a process to amend the constitution. So again I don't think "because the founders said so" is really a good argument. Their arguments should stand on their own.
Right, so that part brings up a really good point. If the will of the people is that we should no longer have a right to bear arms, we can certainly all let our elected officials vote on the matter, assuming we can get them to stop devouring each other first of course.
I tend to be a constitutionalist/founder at first blush, until someone can bring a convincing reason otherwise. Given that the deaths of so many from random acts of violence/terrorism hasn't been enough to sway me on 2A, you can imagine that I don't change my mind very often on most elements of the constitution.
Fair enough.Yea, I get that, but I just don't see much value in hemming and hawing (not claiming you are) over what the founders meant in many circumstances. I'd rather discuss the problems and solutions of 2019, not the problems and solutions from 1776. We should certainly take it into account, but a lot has changed since then. If they had good reasons that are still relevant today, we should be able to articulate that without over analyzing every word they wrote and their possible meaning.
Oh look, more mind-reading.More like you are afraid to actually answer. But hey at least we know that much now.
Yeah. I was just trying to point out to soundforbjt that banning/restricting the majority of handguns in an attempt to ban/restrict all semi-auto weapons will most certainly impact far more law-abiding handgun owners than mass shooters. Mass shooters who would have used a semi-auto rifle would likely switch to a bolt/pump/lever-action rifle with only a slight effect on their killing efficiency.Yea, I get that, but I just don't see much value in hemming and hawing (not claiming you are) over what the founders meant in many circumstances. I'd rather discuss the problems and solutions of 2019, not the problems and solutions from 1776. We should certainly take it into account, but a lot has changed since then. If they had good reasons that are still relevant today, we should be able to articulate that without over analyzing every word they wrote and their possible meaning.
How many cases of rapists, muggers, and home invaders would be emboldened by someone owning a revolver vs a semi auto/mag loaded handgun? How many cases of extended fire fights in those previous situations can you site? I actually checked on the weapons used in mass shooting in the past two decades and semi auto/mag loaded handguns and semi auto/mag loaded rifles were used almost exclusively in every shooting. I can find it again and post it if you don't believe me.Meanwhile the ability for potential victims to resist an attacker has been significantly diminished. Rapists, muggers, and home invaders around the country should be emboldened if such a change was made. The "because mass shootings" reason fails because the changes would have far less impact on someone who would be the perpetrator of a mass shooting.
Only killed 1 before the good guy with a gun stopped him (queue parade of "see? Guns stop bad people!") . Not even a blip on the radar.3 dead including suspect in shooting at Texas church
Two victims have died and four others were injured when a gunman opened fire inside a crowded Texas church on Sunday morning.abcnews.go.com
another shooting
I used to live in white settlement, and it is called white settlement because it was Whites settling in indian territory or so I was told when I lived there in the late 80s or early 90s.
Only killed 1 before the good guy with a gun stopped him (queue parade of "see? Guns stop bad people!") . Not even a blip on the radar.
Exactly. It really doesn't need to go beyond "armed guard at church."Of course, what the "everyone needs a gun" camp wouldn't say is that this was an armed security guard (a sad commentary by itself), not just a worshipper, and that this probably wouldn't have happened if the US didn't have a gun-happy culture in the first place.
Doesn't that alone kinda' suck buzzard eggs?Exactly. It really doesn't need to go beyond "armed guard at church."
Doesn't that alone kinda' suck buzzard eggs?
I mean, I don't even see armed guards in banks any more.
I dunno about linking videos where people are legitimately being killed.This is terrifying, holy crap.
The security guard was incredible.
Edited with spoiler tags.I dunno about linking videos where people are legitimately being killed.
3 dead including suspect in shooting at Texas church
Two victims have died and four others were injured when a gunman opened fire inside a crowded Texas church on Sunday morning.abcnews.go.com
I used to live in white settlement, and it is called white settlement because it was Whites settling in indian territory or so I was told when I lived there in the late 80s or early 90s.
Of course, what the "everyone needs a gun" camp wouldn't say is that this was an armed security guard (a sad commentary by itself), not just a worshipper, and that this probably wouldn't have happened if the US didn't have a gun-happy culture in the first place.
Exactly. It really doesn't need to go beyond "armed guard at church."
Indeed. This is how we are forced to respond to such senseless acts of violence: with violence. All reasonable steps must be taken to identify and stop those who would kill, but disarming ourselves in an attempt to get them to do the same is not an option in today's America. Maybe when we have evolved into better people, but not as thing currently stand.This is terrifying, holy crap.
The security guard was incredible.
A few things. This "armed guard" was someone who was an ex-FBI guy who carries anyway so he was the "hey can you look out for trouble" appointee.Exactly. It really doesn't need to go beyond "armed guard at church."
How about, we don't need to go beyond "we need to be armed at church, just in case" since we're playing with semantics?A few things. This "armed guard" was someone who was an ex-FBI guy who carries anyway so he was the "hey can you look out for trouble" appointee.
The next is that the perp used a shotgun and was not going to stop unless stopped. In this case, you ought to go beyond "armed guard at church" and view the context and what actually happened, or not.
The name was given to the settlement by the surrounding Native American tribes back when Fort Worth was an actual fort and Texas was sparsely settled frontier. This goes back to the early 1800s.
Not security guards. Church members who volunteered to be part of the security team at the church, a very common practice in churches of all sizes. Two of them shot the murderer nearly simultaneously approximately six seconds after he pulled out the shotgun.
How about, we don't need to go beyond "we need to be armed at church, just in case" since we're playing with semantics?
We? I think it's fairly clear that the sentiment is "Geez, we have such a gun violence issue we need to have guns at church."Seems in this case we did.
Indeed. This is how we are forced to respond to such senseless acts of violence: with violence. All reasonable steps must be taken to identify and stop those who would kill, but disarming ourselves in an attempt to get them to do the same is not an option in today's America. Maybe when we have evolved into better people, but not as thing currently stand.
I recently read an article on the process to become a gun owner in Iceland, where they know practically zero gun crime. It involved lots of training, a lengthy interview by your doctor and law enforcement, testing and it took about 18 months for a long gun. Getting a handgun took several years. But most impressive was the attitude of every person they interviewed and their understanding of the responsibility of holding the power to potentially take a life in their hands. They didn't even seem to think of guns as a tool for self-defense because there was no need in their society for such. The idea of being able to walk into a store and buy a gun in an hour, even with a background check, seems idiotic to them, especially if you had no training and didn't know how to use it. Most of their law enforcement is unarmed, and those that are carry their guns secured until a supervisor gave permission for them to be released. Icelanders only see guns as tools for hunting and target shooting.
I wish such was the case here in the U.S. Of course, Iceland has far less income disparity than we do. And, apparently, a much higher respect for the lives of their fellow countrymen. What's wrong with us?