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Paladin3

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you are the bad guy because you are willing to sacrifice childrens lives so you can go play touch butt in the forest pretending you are a soldier.
You always fall back to this argument. Anyone who disagrees with you is sacrificing babies. Is that all you've got?
 
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JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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You always fall back to this argument. Anyone who disagrees with you is sacrificing babies. Is that all you've got?

that is your position. No guns would save lives but you are so enamored with owning guns for reasons that you are willing to let others die so you can enjoy them.
 

pmv

Lifer
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OK? whats the ratio of deaths by AR15's vs handguns?

Yeah. Doesnt come close. This is nothing but outrage via emotions and not facts.

It's probably partly that the mass-shooting rifle-deaths feel more personally-threatening to those who have the inclination and resources to protest. There's likely a tendency to see handgun deaths as the 'criminal class', or just 'the poor', killing each other. Mass shootings with AR15s feel like something that might happen to your kid at their suburban high-school, or in your shopping mall or church.

Perhaps the same reason why the death penalty is more likely to be applied for random murders of strangers than if someone murders their own spouse.

Then there's the news-value effect that means one train or plane crash gets way more attention than any number of car crashes that collectively kill far more people, but do so distributed over space and time, one death at a time.

Finally there's the issue of pushing for things that seem achievable. Which appears to be a bit of a catch-22 for anti-gun lobbyists - the things that are politically achievable, probably won't achieve the desired results.

Seems to me that the only thing that might eventually break the logjam is gradual change in the whole nature of society and its demographics. Eventually the number of Americans who actually want guns might decline to a politically-defeatable minority.
 
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soundforbjt

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/roll eyes

If you cared at all about gun killings you would support legislation banning what kills the most people: handguns. But you dont, nor does the senators. It s all a facade youve bought in to. But fuckin rage on man.
Actually I support banning all semi-autos, pistols and rifles.
 
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KMFJD

Lifer
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Perknose

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Once we democratically decide something is a right, we have to grant that right to everyone without forcing them to prove they have a need for it.
No we don't. Your 'reasoning" is stupid and incredibly shallow. The right to vote? You have to PROVE you're old enough. And in many states, you have to prove you were never convicted of a felony. Stop saying stupid, shallow things that are easily disproved.
 
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Paladin3

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No we don't. Your 'reasoning" is stupid and incredibly shallow. The right to vote? You have to PROVE you're old enough. And in many states, you have to prove you were never convicted of a felony. Stop saying stupid, shallow things that are easily disproved.
That's not even close to what I was saying. I was saying it is unconstitutional to make lawful residents prove they have a NEED for a gun before they can have one. A right isn't a right if in addition to meeting all age and other requirements you still have to ask permission and prove the abstract concept of NEED. Just like it's not up to anyone to question my need to vote. So long as I meet all legal requirements voting is my undisputed right.

EDIT: and we were specifically speaking about a foreign national legally residing in this country, and, assuming they have the legal right to possess a gun, they shouldn't be forced to prove a need for that gun. Rights are rights, and if you qualify for the right there can be no requirement to prove need or it ceases to be a right.
 
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Skel

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Apr 11, 2001
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No we don't. Your 'reasoning" is stupid and incredibly shallow. The right to vote? You have to PROVE you're old enough. And in many states, you have to prove you were never convicted of a felony. Stop saying stupid, shallow things that are easily disproved.

How do you prove you were never convicted of a felony? Get a note from your mother? Have to go to the court house to get a clean bill of health? Here I thought voter IDs would be a pain in the ass and screw with people's ability to vote.
 
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Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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Then you're clearly not paying attention to many on the left.

And my analogy isn't silly at all

Both are constitutional rights: 1 defined explicitly in the second amendment and the other a right defined by SCOTUS. When it comes to any state law that tries to restrict abortion, its proponents push back fearing the possibility that it will be re-banned.

Heck, I proposed a couple of years back that I thought that it'd be prudent to tighten regulations on clinics that perform abortions to establish better standards of cleanliness and procedural practices that would make them fall in line with hospitals. Isn't that reasonable? Don't you want women who choose to terminate their pregnancy at the point where an invasive procedure is necessary to be safe? That the person performing the procedure is fully qualified? That the clinic is using properly sterilized implements? Guess what? I got shot down. My desire for women to be properly cared for fell on deaf ears. My proposal was dismissed as an attempt to put burdensome restrictions on the clinics.

see this is a good point. I too want the best except for gun owners. I think in order to help potential gun owners select the right weapon for their needs and to train them correctly all gun stores should be required to have a gun range so a prospective buyer could try the gun out. Require at least a 1000 yard range for shops selling rifles. Shorter if only selling hand guns.

A full time gunsmith should be on site at all times and to take the risk out of choosing the wrong weapon gun shops must allow sell backs for full price for any reason at any time.

All of these are great for gun owners.
 
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TheVrolok

Lifer
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see this is a good point. I too want the best except for gun owners. I think in order to help potential gun owners select the right weapon for their needs and to train them correctly all gun stores should be required to have a gun range so a prospective buyer could try the gun out. Require at least a 1000 yard range for shops selling rifles. Shorter if only selling hand guns.

A full time gunsmith should be on site at all times and to take the risk out of choosing the wrong weapon gun shops must allow sell backs for full price for any reason at any time.

All of these are great for gun owners.

Sounds more than reasonable to me. Maybe a mandatory educational session with graphic photos of gun violence so that we can be sure the potential purchaser is aware of the destructive force of his preferred weapon?
 
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dawp

Lifer
Jul 2, 2005
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15 shot, 2 dead, including suspect shooter.

2 cops dead.

seven shot, 2 dead
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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Woke up to this:


"Ev," my brother, is in Thailand right now and she had just heard about a mass shooting in Thailand. Still, this is as silly as assuming I might've been involved in any American shooting you may have heard of without some info relating it more closely with me. I'd be more worried about something like the drunken attack on tourists from ~2016 happening again.

That said, it seems the gunman got at least 20 people and live-streamed to social media like the New Zealand guy:

Military dude/weapon though gun ownership in Thailand is relatively high.
 
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Commodus

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Oct 9, 2004
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Woke up to this:


"Ev," my brother, is in Thailand right now and she had just heard about a mass shooting in Thailand. Still, this is as silly as assuming I might've been involved in any American shooting you may have heard of without some info relating it more closely with me. I'd be more worried about something like the drunken attack on tourists from ~2016 happening again.

That said, it seems the gunman got at least 20 people and live-streamed to social media like the New Zealand guy:

Military dude/weapon though gun ownership in Thailand is relatively high.

Glad your brother is alright.

What's extra-sad is that just one of these shootings is a national tragedy in most countries. In the US, it's just another week.
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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Glad your brother is alright.

What's extra-sad is that just one of these shootings is a national tragedy in most countries. In the US, it's just another week.

Well, I tried to see if there were any news reports on YouTube yet and saw a video about another mall shooting just weeks ago...
 

Commodus

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Well, I tried to see if there were any news reports on YouTube yet and saw a video about another mall shooting just weeks ago...

Ugh. Sorry if I was downplaying the severity of things. Let's put it this way, then: the frequency of mass shootings in the US appears to be markedly higher.
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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Ugh. Sorry if I was downplaying the severity of things. Let's put it this way, then: the frequency of mass shootings in the US appears to be markedly higher.
No worries. I'm just saying it's not even the first one to happen since he got there a month ago so I'm surprised it's as common as it is there. You don't typically hear much about it.

Anyway, I repeated that search on YouTube and, of course, NOW there are a ton of more recent results...



Makes that video from a few weeks back a little difficult to find:

Dude had already shot 5 people before killi g the toddler. D:
 

Mai72

Lifer
Sep 12, 2012
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No worries. I'm just saying it's not even the first one to happen since he got there a month ago so I'm surprised it's as common as it is there. You don't typically hear much about it.

Anyway, I repeated that search on YouTube and, of course, NOW there are a ton of more recent results...



Makes that video from a few weeks back a little difficult to find:

Dude had already shot 5 people before killi g the toddler. D:

Sad. Another shooting in Thailand took place today. It's something that you'd never think would happen in SE Asia. But, mass shootings can happen anywhere. Sadly, this guy had access to guns. Looks like he just lost it. Sad all around. I know where Korat is. My ex Thai gf was from that area. We visited her mother many times. Korat is a wonderful place.
 

Mai72

Lifer
Sep 12, 2012
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Here is the video. Like I've stated I was in Korat many times before with my Thai gf. Beautiful people. Beautiful place.

 
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