I've seen no evidence of any god or any smiting going on, and try to only rely on that which has at least some scientific basis to support its existence. So, if you would just stick to the facts and what I've actually said it would be much appreciated.Maybe God will smite those who violate those God given rights, lol. How dare someone not believe!
To answer your question specifically, I don't believe in God. And evolution is pretty much a proven fact, or at least a very much accepted and recognized theory according to rather extensive scientific evidence.
IMHO, the right of the law abiding citizen to keep and bare arms is derived from the fact that those arms exist, are legal, and, most importantly, are possessed by those who would seek to do the law-abiding harm. It is immoral to deprive the law-abiding of the very best defensive tools that the lawless plan to use against them, unless you can otherwise guarantee to protect those individuals. Which you cannot.
But it ultimately doesn't mater where those rights come from. You and your government shall not infringe those rights as stated in our 2A. If we want to democratically come together and change the 2A then take a vote. I don't believe that will happen.
Or be satisfied with the many, many current gun control regulations we already have on file. Make the FBI and other law enforcement agencies do a better job of keeping the criminal database accurate. End the war on drugs. Start making mental health more of a priority. Stop scapegoating the law-abiding by blaming them for the criminal actions of the criminal/sick/evil folks who you have no simple plan to control. Heck, teach and love your children more so they don't resort to violence to solve their problems when there are many other more healthy options for doing so.
While I don't care if health care is a "right," it is something any compassionate society should provide for all it's members. Any civilization that won't has no right to call itself civilized.
The concept of lawful rights is a construct of a democratic society. I have the natural right to do whatever I want unless you have the ability to stop me. But, since most of us see the benefit of living together in a cooperative, lawful society, we have elected a democratic government of the people and passed a set of laws that we all agree to follow.I haven't commented on gun control in this thread. My quibble has to do with the concept of any rights being "natural." It gives the impression that our rights derive from a transcendent source and hence cannot be taken away. People need to know that their rights are derived from laws which are written by men, and are therefore fragile.
It sounds like you concede the point, so I'll let it go.
We do seem a little rights-drunk and to ignore our responsibilities to help our fellow man here in the U.S. We'd rather hate and pay to incarcerate than educate or show compassion.I agree. I would point out that your last sentence applies to the U.S.A.
You can laugh all you want, Cheezy, but if our laws, courts and legal system didn't have sworn officers ready to use force on their behalf then how would they otherwise compel someone to act lawfully if they chose not to? Most of us follow he rules because being a member of society is better than existing outside of it, but many don't and have to be forced to comply via threat or application of actual force.
I've seen no evidence of any god or any smiting going on, and try to only rely on that which has at least some scientific basis to support its existence. So, if you would just stick to the facts and what I've actually said it would be much appreciated.
Unless you believe in God, and if so, please pardon me. I wouldn't want to insult your sincerely held religious beliefs.
I am puzzled by your comment regarding ID required to get a hunting licence being an undue burden. Obviously it's not whether a citizen or legal alien. It's only an undue burden to voting, IIRC.
That was literally the point of those 'god-given' rights (never mind the nomenclature). The founders stated that, in this great new country we were forming, these were our 'beliefs' or 'bedrocks' or 'cornerstones' or whatever, that there are certain rights that cannot be infringed, cannot be removed, cannot be further scoped. In addition, they were stating that those rights apply to all humans, not just American Citizens. The ability of the US to affect other governments notwithstanding, it was sending a message to the rest of the world that those rights did indeed apply to them as well, and if they wanted to not have them infringed, c'mon over to the US where you won't be treated like a peon.I haven't commented on gun control in this thread. My quibble has to do with the concept of any rights being "natural." It gives the impression that our rights derive from a transcendent source and hence cannot be taken away. People need to know that their rights are derived from laws which are written by men, and are therefore fragile.
It sounds like you concede the point, so I'll let it go.
Exclusive: Nearly 175 Saudi military aviation students grounded in U.S. after base shooting
Reuters | Tue Dec 10, 2019 19:57 UTC
Nearly 175 Saudi Arabian military aviation students have been grounded ...
Someone wanna start a new thread about the Jersey shooting?
Someone wanna start a new thread about the Jersey shooting?
Still trying to figure out why we allowed a Saudi Major to fly in and meet with detained trainees (and perhaps coach their stories?) before police and FBI have finished the investigation.
Well, you had to know it was coming. The answer to guns is .... wait for it .........
Family of Josh Watson, Pensacola attack hero, calls for arming service members on military bases
The family of one of the three heroic sailors who lost their lives in last week's Naval Air Station (NAS) shooting in Pensacola, Florida is calling for reform on military bases.www.foxnews.com
.... more guns!!!!