Another Dem candidate wants to increase taxes

[Corn]

Corn, you're just a nasty, greedy, evil person whose only care in life is the amount of money you can accumulate before you die.

Your constant insinuations about people you have no idea about is just another iteration of your vile character.

You are at your heart an mean spirited person who holds the vast majority of the world's population in contempt.

You resort to insults because you can't justify your own beliefs.

Priceless!!!!

You're right BOBDN, I'm greedy and evil. As a matter of fact, I am SATAN taken human form. I've got a special place for you reserved in hell--it's called the hypocrite suite.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: Corn

Corn, you're just a nasty, greedy, evil person whose only care in life is the amount of money you can accumulate before you die.

Your constant insinuations about people you have no idea about is just another iteration of your vile character.

You are at your heart an mean spirited person who holds the vast majority of the world's population in contempt.

You resort to insults because you can't justify your own beliefs.

Priceless!!!!

You're right BOBDN, I'm greedy and evil. As a matter of fact, I am SATAN taken human form. I've got a special place for you reserved in hell--it's called the hypocrite suite.

Blah, blah, blah.

You're not satan corn. Don't give yourself a promotion.

You just make his job easier by your ignorance.

You can reserve that spot for me as long as you're in the spot next to it.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: BOBDN

And you people have the nerve to complain about class warfare.

Latest idiotic rhetoric directly from Communist Manifesto snipped for the sake of humanity.

Latest personal attack from a person who isn't capable of refuting the truth.

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: BOBDN

And you people have the nerve to complain about class warfare.

Latest idiotic rhetoric directly from Communist Manifesto snipped for the sake of humanity.

Latest personal attack from a person who isn't capable of refuting the truth.

WTF kind of truth is there to refute? Socialism for the masses? Or perhaps your "Government can do it better" bleating?

 

[Zebo]

We don't tax people we tax dollars. Everyone is treated equally before the tax law on the types of income and amounts they earn. I think it's true the more you make the more benefits you see from your tax dollars too. From police protection to the skilled workers you are able to hire. Funny thing is a flat tax would hit the "rich" even more I have no idea why Dems are opposed. For example my little bro just bought a over 8800 GVW vechile cash and will get up to a 100K credit on his taxes next year and prolly owe nothing as usual for the sizable income he earns. Anyway we need to pay for all these goodies the laviathan Government wants and those with most dispposable are seem to be able to actually pay for it. Nothing wrong with that IMO. I do feel sorry for working stiffs who make ~100K who now fall into the AMT because it never changed with inflation. Much better to make your money from cap gains and/or simply don't show any "income".

 

[rjain]

No stock exchange exec has made a $100 million dollar salary. Unless you mean decade salaries instead of annual salaries, which isn't the "normal" use of the word.

Also, the "rich" pay for their medical services, as opposed to the "poor", whose services are paid by the "rich".

Just because someone works hard and gets things done, you lazy bastards think you deserve the same things he has?

Edit: And again, I think that a moderate increase of the capital gains tax from 10-15% to 15-20% would actually benefit the rich and the "poor" by making dividends more attractive. You can't fake a dividend like you can fake an earnings statement (accounts recievable are revenue my arse).

 

[rufruf44]

Just go to flat tax already and get it over with, this way no one is subsidizing anyone else. Of course the low-income class would hate it, and my guess is the middle income will as well to a lesser degree.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: tallest1

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: outriding
oh boo hoo..

you mean they cant get that 3rd house after all.

i ask you this who is going to pay for the military, roads, schools, etc...

the lower / middle class ? they have no money.

do honestly think that just about anyother country in the world the upper class could have achieved so well.

if you put the upper class in russia / south america / etc.. they could have lived the life that they have now ? probably not.

what is wrong with giving back a LITTLE to the country that enabled you to achieve soo much?

Booo Hooo? - who already pays 96% of all income taxes. Hmmmm couldn't be the "top" 50% of wage earners could it?
How about the top 5% who pay over 53% of all income taxes?
Yeah - lets talk about "fair share".

You "tax the hell out of the rich" people make me sick - and I'm not even a "rich" person

CkG

You seem to forget the obscene amounts of money the top 10% make and who they're exploiting to get that income. If they think they're being taxed to much, they can follow their employee jobs to India and live like kings if they wanted.

Now you're talking.

The News is still flooding with more & more Stock exchange execs all raking in over $100 million dollar salaries.
They can all leave and form their own Country over there.

Wow- that'd be great wouldn't it. Send 53%(top 5% of earners) of our income tax base to India

Yeah, that'd be just great - do YOU want to pick up the rest of the tab if they leave?

CkG

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

And please don't anyone give me the "Economics 101" bullsh!t about consumers ending up paying for corporate taxes in the bottom line.

the legal burden of the tax is very rarely the same as the economic burden, and that is a fact.

 

[SuperTool]

The rightwingers need to balance the budget. If they think that raising taxes on the poor is the way to do it, then they should try it and see how it plays out. Instead they are dodging the issue entirely and borrowing money at a record pace.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: tallest1

You seem to forget the obscene amounts of money the top 10% make and who they're exploiting to get that income. If they think they're being taxed to much, they can follow their employee jobs to India and live like kings if they wanted.

and when they do and you have no one left to tax what then?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

You resort to insults because you can't justify your own beliefs.

and why do you resort to insults?

 

[jahawkin]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: outriding
oh boo hoo..

you mean they cant get that 3rd house after all.

i ask you this who is going to pay for the military, roads, schools, etc...

the lower / middle class ? they have no money.

do honestly think that just about anyother country in the world the upper class could have achieved so well.

if you put the upper class in russia / south america / etc.. they could have lived the life that they have now ? probably not.

what is wrong with giving back a LITTLE to the country that enabled you to achieve soo much?

Booo Hooo? - who already pays 96% of all income taxes. Hmmmm couldn't be the "top" 50% of wage earners could it?
How about the top 5% who pay over 53% of all income taxes?
Yeah - lets talk about "fair share".

You "tax the hell out of the rich" people make me sick - and I'm not even a "rich" person

CkG

Those numbers are incredibly misleading. Take all taxes people pay into account and the rich aren't getting shafted after all
Link
Lookie here, the richest 20% pay 19% of their income to taxes, the poorest pay 18% of their income to taxes, while the middle 20% pay 16% of their income to taxes.
Pretty unfair to those rich people, huh?

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: BOBDN

You resort to insults because you can't justify your own beliefs.

and why do you resort to insults?

I resort to insults when people insult me.

What would you have me do? Ignore them?

No thanks. They insult me, I insult them right back.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Corn

And you people have the nerve to complain about class warfare.

Funny, you only complain when wealthy people are asked to pay their fair share.

Do you really believe that poor working people who are struggling to provide themselves and their children with basic necessities aren't paying their fair share? Income tax, Social Security tax (a regressive tax most wealthy wage earners you refer to pay in full with their first pay check), sales tax, state taxes (where applicable), property taxes (included in rent for those who can't afford their own home). Working poor are saddled with a tax burden which is taken from the little they have. They are not suckling from anyone's "tit." If you haven't noticed welfare reform initiated under President Clinton took the battle cry of the extreme right out of the picture.

For people who are earning millions to complain about paying their fair share is repugnant and loathsome. It highlights the greed in our society. The greed which is promulgated from the top.

After paying their 53% of the nation's tax burden these people still have millions in disposable income. After paying their share of the nation's tax burden the poor have barely enough to house, clothe and feed themselves and their children.

It is a disgrace people in our nation continually attack the weakest in our society. Shame. Your hatred of people less fortunate than you shows your true nature. Greedy, avoricious, hateful monger of class warfare.

For 4 years of my life while I attended college, on my own dime I might add, I earned "poverty" level wages, much like you are probably dealing with right now. The difference between me and the "poor"? I used that paltry income I had earned to pay for an education and made something of myself--something that every living person in the USA has the opportunity to do.

It's all about choices. You're right, I feel no pity for the "poor", for they choose to stay poor.

What you call choice was merely luck. Who you are is a total accident. You are a machine. You have no sympathy of compassion because you aren't your real self, just a mechanical devise. What you call self is a shifting set of illusions, many many I's you don't recognize as separate. Sorry, you're having a dream.

 

[rjain]

Originally posted by: jahawkin

Those numbers are incredibly misleading. Take all taxes people pay into account and the rich aren't getting shafted after all
Link
Lookie here, the richest 20% pay 19% of their income to taxes, the poorest pay 18% of their income to taxes, while the middle 20% pay 16% of their income to taxes.
Pretty unfair to those rich people, huh?

That's quite misleading. You're trying to claim that the poor and middle class pay more taxes than the rich outside of income taxes? Let's see what they could be paying those taxes from. Property taxes? Nope, the rich are more likely to own instead of rent. Sales taxes? No, the rich spend more. Estate taxes? Hah.

No, you're just comparing apples to oranges. What is 19% of 80% compared to 18% of 20%? That is what we are comparing. The amount of money the rich pay to subsidize the wealth of this country's "poor", who would be considered well-off in any other country. Stop whining.

 

[jahawkin]

Originally posted by: rjain

Originally posted by: jahawkin

Those numbers are incredibly misleading. Take all taxes people pay into account and the rich aren't getting shafted after all
Link
Lookie here, the richest 20% pay 19% of their income to taxes, the poorest pay 18% of their income to taxes, while the middle 20% pay 16% of their income to taxes.
Pretty unfair to those rich people, huh?

That's quite misleading. You're trying to claim that the poor and middle class pay more taxes than the rich outside of income taxes? Let's see what they could be paying those taxes from. Property taxes? Nope, the rich are more likely to own instead of rent. Sales taxes? No, the rich spend more. Estate taxes? Hah.

No, you're just comparing apples to oranges. What is 19% of 80% compared to 18% of 20%? That is what we are comparing. The amount of money the rich pay to subsidize the wealth of this country's "poor", who would be considered well-off in any other country. Stop whining.

Read the graph. It states that this includes state and federal income tax, Social security, property taxes, utility taxes, sales tax etc. The rich and poor pay roughly the same percentage of their income to taxes. This isn't comparing apple to oranges, this is comparing how much someone (rich or poor) pays in taxes as a percentage of thier income.

 

[rjain]

Originally posted by: jahawkin
This isn't comparing apple to oranges, this is comparing how much someone (rich or poor) pays in taxes as a percentage of thier income.

Which is an apple to the orange of the amount of money someone pays in taxes.

Edit: fix quoting

 

[jahawkin]

Originally posted by: rjain

Originally posted by: jahawkin
This isn't comparing apple to oranges, this is comparing how much someone (rich or poor) pays in taxes as a percentage of thier income.

Which is an apple to the orange of the amount of money someone pays in taxes.

Edit: fix quoting

So what are you advocating? Everyone pay $XXXX regardless of income. Bill Gates and some homeless dude pay the same dollar amount of taxes?? Not even Grover Norquist would go for such a policy.

 

[rjain]

Originally posted by: jahawkin

So what are you advocating? Everyone pay $XXXX regardless of income. Bill Gates and some homeless dude pay the same dollar amount of taxes?? Not even Grover Norquist would go for such a policy.

No... I'm advocating that you lazy bastards stop pretending like the whole world is possible because of the taxes you pay. The taxes from the rich are what keep this country's government going, as they are greater than the taxes from the poor and middle-class combined.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: jahawkin

Originally posted by: rjain

Originally posted by: jahawkin

Those numbers are incredibly misleading. Take all taxes people pay into account and the rich aren't getting shafted after all
Link
Lookie here, the richest 20% pay 19% of their income to taxes, the poorest pay 18% of their income to taxes, while the middle 20% pay 16% of their income to taxes.
Pretty unfair to those rich people, huh?

That's quite misleading. You're trying to claim that the poor and middle class pay more taxes than the rich outside of income taxes? Let's see what they could be paying those taxes from. Property taxes? Nope, the rich are more likely to own instead of rent. Sales taxes? No, the rich spend more. Estate taxes? Hah.

No, you're just comparing apples to oranges. What is 19% of 80% compared to 18% of 20%? That is what we are comparing. The amount of money the rich pay to subsidize the wealth of this country's "poor", who would be considered well-off in any other country. Stop whining.

Read the graph. It states that this includes state and federal income tax, Social security, property taxes, utility taxes, sales tax etc. The rich and poor pay roughly the same percentage of their income to taxes. This isn't comparing apple to oranges, this is comparing how much someone (rich or poor) pays in taxes as a percentage of thier income.

Yes it is apples to oranges. Sales tax, estate tax, etc that aren't "income" based so to include them in a comparison of income groups is silly.
No- I think it is you who should stop whining. The "rich" pay their fair share(if not much much more) so for you, LIEberman, and the other Dems to Increase their taxes so it is "fair" - is just plain assinine.

What we really need to do is CUT SPENDING - PERIOD. Too bad none of the 9 dwarves want to do that - they only want to increase the budget by ushering in UHC which would add hundreds of billions of dollars to the budget EVERY YEAR. Sure Bush's record isn't the best on spending - I don' like his push for a prescription drug entitlement(which the Dems think is too small), but If I had to pick between his spending and the spending the Dems are proposing - I'd pick Bush every time. This gov't needs to stop wasting my money - PERIOD.

CkG

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: rjain

Originally posted by: jahawkin
This isn't comparing apple to oranges, this is comparing how much someone (rich or poor) pays in taxes as a percentage of thier income.

Which is an apple to the orange of the amount of money someone pays in taxes.

Edit: fix quoting

So according to you the Rich pay an unfair amount if they pay the same percentage on their income of those who are not Rich?

 

[Orsorum]

Just remember, money is only evil if those who are skilled possess it.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: rjain

Originally posted by: jahawkin
This isn't comparing apple to oranges, this is comparing how much someone (rich or poor) pays in taxes as a percentage of thier income.

Which is an apple to the orange of the amount of money someone pays in taxes.

Edit: fix quoting

So according to you the Rich pay an unfair amount if they pay the same percentage on their income of those who are not Rich?

No - that is what the Democrats are saying - thus they want to raise taxes on the rich But again to put non incomebased taxes in an equation that results in income group comparisons is faulty.

CkG

 

[Zebo]

Nope, the rich are more likely to own instead of rent. Sales taxes? No, the rich spend more. Estate taxes? Hah.

Just a little heads up to ya. Owning is cheaper anywhere than renting. Besides even renters pay property taxes.