Another Democrat Starting Trump Impeachment Process

[pmv]

I prefer dems not to shoot their load prematurely. I want impeachment to be unanimous and to be for very solid reasons unlike with Clinton. When the history books tell of trumps impeachment I want there to be no political motivation and I want the country to be fully united behind removing trump from office. I'm willing to wait for that it instead of getting him on a technicality. I want the next president to feel comfortable filing charges against him with zero thoughts given to whether or not to pardon him.

That makes a lot of sense to me.

Besides, I don't see that replacing him with Pence is any great step forward. The issues are bigger than Trump himself, removing him like that won't solve a great deal. So the only reason I would want to see him impeached is because he's a horrible person and it would be just and appropriate for him to face such humiliation. Less politics, more just the feeling of satisfaction that there is some justice in the world.

An obviously tactical or partisan impeachment wouldn't really achieve the required degree of personal disgrace or sent him into some sort of narcissistic crisis, therefore there seems no point in it.

 

[SNC]

An obviously tactical or partisan impeachment wouldn't really achieve the required degree of personal disgrace or sent him into some sort of narcissistic crisis, therefore there seems no point in it.

I think there are enough Rs that if proceedings started they would get on board.

 

[SNC]

Just look at your dishonest degenerate ass pretending to distance yourself from trump yet shilling for him right after. At least 10 legal opinions citing criminal conspiracy and of course you pick one by this guy, titled right above your quote:

William Jeffress is a white-collar defense attorney at Baker Botts. He represented I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby in the Valerie Plame affair.

I'll give you a few days or weeks to research how convincing his defense was in that trial.

I'm guessing you didn't like the second reference I sited from your link. So how about this one, again directly from your link:

Paul Rosenzweig

Collusion is not a federal crime (except in the unique case of antitrust law), so we should all just stop using “collusion” as a short-hand for criminality. But that doesn’t mean that the alleged cooperation between the Trump campaign and Russia is of no criminal interest. To the contrary, if true, it may have violated any number of criminal prohibitions.

OK so you don't like that one either..

How about again from you link:

Saikrishna Prakash is James Monroe distinguished professor of law at the University of Virginia. said in your link:

But I don’t think this really amounts to much, at least as a legal matter. “Collusion” is not a cognizable federal offense. Politicians seek dirt on other candidates—the dirtier the better. That is what “opposition research” is all about.

He went on to offer that the DNC actually encouraged the H.Clinton campaign to meet with a Ukrainian ambassador to get dirt on Trump:

Campaigns are happy to get this edge from pretty much anywhere. Indeed, there are claims, discussed in a Politico article in January, that the Ukrainian government sought to aid Hillary Clinton’s campaign by supplying damaging information regarding Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort to a Democratic operative. Embassy officials “worked very closely” with the operative to expose Manafort’s work for Viktor Yanukovych, the Kremlin-backed former Ukrainian president. And the Democratic National Committee encouraged the operative to meet with the Ukrainian ambassador.

His last remarks were interesting for a page for you to use to site proof collusion is an actual crime:

I think that those who despise President Donald Trump continually find ways of nourishing their deep abhorrence. If it is not “collusion,” it is “treason” or “conflict of interest” or “obstruction.” The wheat, if there is any, gets lost amid all the chaff. Those who lionize the president are in the lamentable business of excusing conduct, no matter if it demonstrates extremely bad judgment, poor taste or worse. Both tendencies will continue for the foreseeable future.

Still not enough for you, again from the link you provided:


Samuel Buell is a law professor at Duke University and a former federal prosecutor who led the Justice Department’s prosecution of Enron Corporation.

Collusion, of course, is not a legal thing.

Its getting pretty clear that at least from the link YOU provided collusion is NOT a crime. I don't think I could have found a more diverse listing of folks all saying the same thing; collusion is not a crime.

Mark S. Zaid and Bradley P. Moss are national security attorneys based in Washington, D.C. (I'm not sure who said this Zaid or Moss the artical is not clear:

There is no federal law that criminalizes collusion, in and of itself, between a political campaign and a foreign government. It’s highly unethical and inappropriate, but we do not believe Congress has ever chosen to specifically identify that legal term of art in a criminal statute in this context.

And who in there left mind would not agree with the big A?

Alan Dershowitz is emeritus professor of law at Harvard University.

Which criminal statutes, if any, would be violated by collusion between a campaign and a foreign government, if collusion were to be proved? Unless there is a clear violation of an existing criminal statute, there would be no crime. Obviously, if anyone conspired in advance with another to commit a crime, such as hacking the Democratic National Committee, that would be criminal. But merely seeking to obtain the work product of a prior hack would be no more criminal than a newspaper publishing the work products of thefts such as the Pentagon Papers and the material stolen by Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning.

OK so this is the last guy from your link:

Norman Eisen is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. He was the chief White House ethics lawyer from 2009 to 2011 and ambassador to the Czech Republic from 2011 to 2014.

Collusion simply means that Donald Trump, his campaign or their representatives were working with Russia or its agents to affect the campaign. There is no crime of collusion, but if it were proved, that evidence might establish other crimes, such as conspiracy to commit cybercrime (with respect to hacking) or campaign finance violations (with respect to soliciting a thing of value from a foreign government, namely damaging information).

That was tiring, but most things with you are. So again Ill ask do you still believe that collusion is a crime?

And it really makes me sick to have to put myself into a position where it looks like I am supporting this steaming pile of horse shit, related to you I would have to assume.
When you inject politics into a simple question like; is this legal or not, you end up looking like you support or appose someone or something just because you believe it is or is not.
If someone were to throw trump in jail for a year for j walking, while I would be laughing my ass off, I would publicly say it was wrong. That no more means that I support him in any way that to say I like you when I don't disagree with you in that rare instance you are not spewing horse shit from your pie hole. You do and an interesting ability to twist someones words around to fit whatever narrative you like, and no thats not a complement.

Ill await you next source to prove your assertions that collusion is a crime.

 

[elitejp]

Cool, i like making my own mead. Im not much of a drinker but i like doing diy stuff.

As for impeaching Trump in all honesty i havent kept up with the reasoning. I assumed its just because dems dont like him so they are shouting impeachment. Of course i see the republicans doing the same thing once a dem is president.

The latest thing i see in the news is Trump being bashed because of him not making a bigger scene about some recent racist protests. Yet, some BLM members chanted kill cops and kill them now and Obama never said a word.

Its fairly obvious that most people really dont care what is being done as much as they care about what party that person belongs to.

 

[Puffnstuff]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...eachment-process/ar-AAqfzlE?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Just as I was in favor of proceedings for Clinton, OK a shit ton more, I am fully behind any attempt top remove this steaming pile of horseshit from the White house. He should have never been elected. Its never to late to correct a mistake.

His election is just the manifestation of a deeper problem in our country. When people who claim to be conservative can stand behind a person of such low moral fiber it tells you just where our collective moral and ethical relativism stands.

 

[Younigue]

Cool, i like making my own mead. Im not much of a drinker but i like doing diy stuff.

As for impeaching Trump in all honesty i havent kept up with the reasoning. I assumed its just because dems dont like him so they are shouting impeachment. Of course i see the republicans doing the same thing once a dem is president.

The latest thing i see in the news is Trump being bashed because of him not making a bigger scene about some recent racist protests. Yet, some BLM members chanted kill cops and kill them now and Obama never said a word.

Its fairly obvious that most people really dont care what is being done as much as they care about what party that person belongs to.

There's some truth to that however, in this case you are oversimplifying. It would be wrong to equate Trump to any other President. Hell it would be wrong to compare Trump to anyone with any amount of decency within them whatsoever. You get that, right?

IIRC Obama was pretty clear on domestic terror. Giving no examples I'm fairly certain most honest people would agree, he was against it no matter who was perpetrating it.

 

[Thump553]

Cool, i like making my own mead. Im not much of a drinker but i like doing diy stuff.

As for impeaching Trump in all honesty i havent kept up with the reasoning. I assumed its just because dems dont like him so they are shouting impeachment. Of course i see the republicans doing the same thing once a dem is president.

The latest thing i see in the news is Trump being bashed because of him not making a bigger scene about some recent racist protests. Yet, some BLM members chanted kill cops and kill them now and Obama never said a word.

Its fairly obvious that most people really dont care what is being done as much as they care about what party that person belongs to.

Cliffs: You don't know the facts, don't know the arguments presented but you still have a firm opinion on the merits. And you equate deliberately driving a car at high speed into a crowd, killing one, with yelling chants.

And you think that factually unfounded, intellectually lazy is persuasive? Or any of the slightest value? On what basis?

 

[ivwshane]

Cool, i like making my own mead. Im not much of a drinker but i like doing diy stuff.

As for impeaching Trump in all honesty i havent kept up with the reasoning. I assumed its just because dems dont like him so they are shouting impeachment. Of course i see the republicans doing the same thing once a dem is president.

The latest thing i see in the news is Trump being bashed because of him not making a bigger scene about some recent racist protests. Yet, some BLM members chanted kill cops and kill them now and Obama never said a word.

Its fairly obvious that most people really dont care what is being done as much as they care about what party that person belongs to.

No its pretty obvious you don't care. Don't project your intellectual laziness on others.

 

[SNC]

Cool, i like making my own mead. Im not much of a drinker but i like doing diy stuff.

As for impeaching Trump in all honesty i havent kept up with the reasoning. I assumed its just because dems dont like him so they are shouting impeachment. Of course i see the republicans doing the same thing once a dem is president.

The latest thing i see in the news is Trump being bashed because of him not making a bigger scene about some recent racist protests. Yet, some BLM members chanted kill cops and kill them now and Obama never said a word.

Its fairly obvious that most people really dont care what is being done as much as they care about what party that person belongs to.

LOVE making my own mead and drinking it!! As for the rest of your post, you might want to read up on the goings-on.

 

[ivwshane]

Cliffs: You don't know the facts, don't know the arguments presented but you still have a firm opinion on the merits. And you equate deliberately driving a car at high speed into a crowd, killing one, with yelling chants.

And you think that factually unfounded, intellectually lazy is persuasive? Or any of the slightest value? On what basis?

He's the worst kind of citizen, informed enough to spread bullshit but too uninformed to vote in quality politicians and good policies.

Sadly, he's not a minority but rather a perfect representation of the overall electorate.

 

[colonel]

Besides, I don't see that replacing him with Pence is any great step forward.

I strongly agree with this statement.

 

[elitejp]

He's the worst kind of citizen, informed enough to spread bullshit but too uninformed to vote in quality politicians and good policies.

Sadly, he's not a minority but rather a perfect representation of the overall electorate.

Lol, then list your greivences on why trump should be impeached.
Everything ive seen has been akin to i dont like this guy so lets impeach him. Fortunately im not going to waste my time on this clickbait news. Find something worthwhile to impeach him and i will look at both sides with interest.

This thread is a good example. Clinton has oral sex and people say who cares. Trump gets head and people say he is an unmoral bastard thats not fit for office. Like i said its not what these people are doing that gets you mad its what party they are in that gets you mad.

 

[ivwshane]

Lol, then list your greivences on why trump should be impeached.
Everything ive seen has been akin to i dont like this guy so lets impeach him. Fortunately im not going to waste my time on this clickbait news. Find something worthwhile to impeach him and i will look at both sides with interest.

This thread is a good example. Clinton has oral sex and people say who cares. Trump gets head and people say he is an unmoral bastard thats not fit for office. Like i said its not what these people are doing that gets you mad its what party they are in that gets you mad.

Well, there is a current investigation going on so I prefer to wait for that. However if you would like me to list potential impeachable offenses, I will.

Conspiracy to commit a crime (collusion with a foreign government to hack/steal private property).

Violation of the foreign corrupt practices act (doing business with foreign officials to help them launder money).

Charity fraud in the way of self dealing, and outright fraud (such as making claims to the 9/11 business compensation fund).

Violating the emoluments clause.

Obstruction of justice.


Also, wtf are talking about with regards to trump receiving oral sex?

 

[Younigue]

Lol, then list your greivences on why trump should be impeached.
Everything ive seen has been akin to i dont like this guy so lets impeach him. Fortunately im not going to waste my time on this clickbait news. Find something worthwhile to impeach him and i will look at both sides with interest.

This thread is a good example. Clinton has oral sex and people say who cares. Trump gets head and people say he is an unmoral bastard thats not fit for office. Like i said its not what these people are doing that gets you mad its what party they are in that gets you mad.

You sir are a loon!

 

[elitejp]

Thanks ivwshane. As for younigue, your the basic internet troll/news . All talk, no substance.

 

[Younigue]

Well, there is a current investigation going on so I prefer to wait for that. However if you would like me to list potential impeachable offenses, I will.

Conspiracy to commit a crime (collision with a foreign government to hack/steal private property).

Violation of the foreign corrupt practices act (doing business with foreign officials to help them launder money).

Charity fraud in the way of self dealing, and outright fraud (such as making claims to the 9/11 business compensation fund).

Violating the emoluments clause.

Obstruction of justice.


Also, wtf are talking about with regards to trump receiving oral sex?

Talking about Urinegate maybe?

Do people actually care if the guy likes prostitutes and urine? He's gross, sure but that is not limited to whores and piss.

@elitejp is trippin'. He is well aware that with this piss-poor (pun intended and meant to be sad) example of a human being. Any one of a thousand things has the potential to bring Trump down because Trump IS that deplorable, reprehensible, disgraceful, corrupt, treasonous, filthy, ugly, evil... etc. x infinity.

Elitejp, work on your sense of humor. Your jokes are the worst. Just kidding, I've heard worse. You're just a simpleton. Way to go for it with fully committed gusto. Well Done!

 

[Younigue]

Thanks ivwshane. As for younigue, your the basic internet troll/news . All talk, no substance.

Broken hearted over here! Somebody get me a tissue, elitejp has devastated me. I'm nearly inconsolable. <--- difficult to maintain because my husband is cracking me up. But I'll...... manage... somehow... wait just a tic... Look, see ---> Ouch though.

 

[ivwshane]

Talking about Urinegate maybe?

Do people actually care if the guy likes prostitutes and urine? He's gross, sure but that is not limited to whores and piss.

@elitejp is trippin'. He is well aware that with this piss-poor (pun intended and meant to be sad) example of a human being. Any one of a thousand things has the potential to bring Trump down because Trump IS that deplorable, reprehensible, disgraceful, corrupt, treasonous, filthy, ugly, evil... etc. x infinity.

Elitejp, work on your sense of humor. Your jokes are the worst. Just kidding, I've heard worse. You're just a simpleton. Way to go for it with fully committed gusto. Well Done!

Oh yeah, I almost forgot about that. I've also heard no one of any significance claim that if the pee tapes are true that that alone would be an impeachable offense so I'm not sure what's with the false equivalence.

 

[Younigue]

Oh yeah, I almost forgot about that. I've also heard no one of any significance claim that if the pee tapes are true that that alone would be an impeachable offense so I'm not sure what's with the false equivalence.

Righteously wrong, that's who elitejp is. I smell pride.

 

[agent00f]

I'm guessing you didn't like the second reference I sited from your link. So how about this one, again directly from your link:

Paul Rosenzweig



OK so you don't like that one either..

How about again from you link:

Saikrishna Prakash is James Monroe distinguished professor of law at the University of Virginia. said in your link:



He went on to offer that the DNC actually encouraged the H.Clinton campaign to meet with a Ukrainian ambassador to get dirt on Trump:



His last remarks were interesting for a page for you to use to site proof collusion is an actual crime:



Still not enough for you, again from the link you provided:


Samuel Buell is a law professor at Duke University and a former federal prosecutor who led the Justice Department’s prosecution of Enron Corporation.



Its getting pretty clear that at least from the link YOU provided collusion is NOT a crime. I don't think I could have found a more diverse listing of folks all saying the same thing; collusion is not a crime.

Mark S. Zaid and Bradley P. Moss are national security attorneys based in Washington, D.C. (I'm not sure who said this Zaid or Moss the artical is not clear:


And who in there left mind would not agree with the big A?

Alan Dershowitz is emeritus professor of law at Harvard University.




OK so this is the last guy from your link:

Norman Eisen is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. He was the chief White House ethics lawyer from 2009 to 2011 and ambassador to the Czech Republic from 2011 to 2014.


That was tiring, but most things with you are. So again Ill ask do you still believe that collusion is a crime?

And it really makes me sick to have to put myself into a position where it looks like I am supporting this steaming pile of horse shit, related to you I would have to assume.
When you inject politics into a simple question like; is this legal or not, you end up looking like you support or appose someone or something just because you believe it is or is not.
If someone were to throw trump in jail for a year for j walking, while I would be laughing my ass off, I would publicly say it was wrong. That no more means that I support him in any way that to say I like you when I don't disagree with you in that rare instance you are not spewing horse shit from your pie hole. You do and an interesting ability to twist someones words around to fit whatever narrative you like, and no thats not a complement.

Ill await you next source to prove your assertions that collusion is a crime.

Ok if you didn't like that quote from the link YOU provided, how about this one? If you are going to provide a link to back up your assertions make sure you tell me what you want me to ignore.

Seems clear you're barely smart enough to figure that conspiring and lying about collusion = illegal, but can't muster enough integrity to admit your dear leader is a criminal piece of shit just like his followers aspire to.

 

[bshole]

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[SNC]

Seems clear you're barely smart enough to figure that conspiring and lying about collusion = illegal, but can't muster enough integrity to admit your dear leader is a criminal piece of shit just like his followers aspire to.

So just so I'm clear.... YOU provided the link where I am posting the info from!!!!!!! YOU gave me the link that showed without a doubt there is no crime of collusion. THAT was my fucking question, should Trump be thrown out for lying under oath about something that is not a crime, just as you and others claim that Clinton should not have been impeached for. You speak of integrity, you have about as much of that quality as does Trump, ZERO. I asked you to provide info that would change my mind that collusion was a crime, you gave me one that proved that collusion was not a crime and then change your argument to

lying about collusion = illegal

the VERY FUCKING QUESTION I was asking. Collusion = not illegal, lying about it under oath very fucking much illegal. Just as Clintons BJs (though one could argue that she really did not have the ability to say no so it very well should have been illegal but that is for another day. Unless you just want to admit you believe she was just a slut and wanted it) = not illegal but his lying about it under oath is very illegal. But you cant do that because then you have to admit to yourself that you make shit up as you go, situational ethics makes for difficult times when the other side does something you don't like.

Your tired attempts to make me out to be a Trump supporter are as fucking pathetic as you are. You speak of me being on a side when my words are very clear if you care to listen, I did not, nor have I ever, nor will I ever now or in the future support anything about Trump. I converted from an R to a libertarian, BECAUSE OF TRUMP!! (though I have kept my voter reg the same so that I can vote in primaries.) I don't know why I try, you don't care about the truth, just what you want the truth to be. Hey someone else does that too, who is that the name escaped me at the moment. Your a smart guy who does that sort of stuff? If you guys want to understand how someone like Trump is able to get away with what he does look no further than your attitudes and lack of reining in this fuckwad, 00f. He relies on people just ignoring the stupid fucking charges he throws around, just as Trump does. You how sit there and let him make charge after charge that are easily proved wrong and say nothing are exactly how Trump gets away with what he does.

 

[agent00f]

So just so I'm clear.... YOU provided the link where I am posting the info from!!!!!!! YOU gave me the link that showed without a doubt there is no crime of collusion. THAT was my fucking question, should Trump be thrown out for lying under oath about something that is not a crime, just as you and others claim that Clinton should not have been impeached for. You speak of integrity, you have about as much of that quality as does Trump, ZERO. I asked you to provide info that would change my mind that collusion was a crime, you gave me one that proved that collusion was not a crime and then change your argument to the VERY FUCKING QUESTION I was asking. Collusion = not illegal, lying about it under oath very fucking much illegal. Just as Clintons BJs (though one could argue that she really did not have the ability to say no so it very well should have been illegal but that is for another day. Unless you just want to admit you believe she was just a slut and wanted it) = not illegal but his lying about it under oath is very illegal. But you cant do that because then you have to admit to yourself that you make shit up as you go, situational ethics makes for difficult times when the other side does something you don't like.

Your tired attempts to make me out to be a Trump supporter are as fucking pathetic as you are. You speak of me being on a side when my words are very clear if you care to listen, I did not, nor have I ever, nor will I ever now or in the future support anything about Trump. I converted from an R to a libertarian, BECAUSE OF TRUMP!! (though I have kept my voter reg the same so that I can vote in primaries.) I don't know why I try, you don't care about the truth, just what you want the truth to be. Hey someone else does that too, who is that the name escaped me at the moment. Your a smart guy who does that sort of stuff? If you guys want to understand how someone like Trump is able to get away with what he does look no further than your attitudes and lack of reining in this fuckwad, 00f. He relies on people just ignoring the stupid fucking charges he throws around, just as Trump does. You how sit there and let him make charge after charge that are easily proved wrong and say nothing are exactly how Trump gets away with what he does.

Funny how readily you quoted that conspiring (you know, colluding in the vernacular) with the russians over US elections is criminal, but can't be honest enough to stop playing semantic games. Degens gonna degen.

 

[SNC]

But elitejp represents probably the majority of Americans. Not paying too much attention and not really giving a shit. Trump's poll numbers are stuck in the high 30s/low 40s. Everything that happened last week did NOTHING to budge them. No amount of outrage by people on the left is doing a damn thing about getting him removed and nor can it. For Trump to be removed will require Republicans deciding they want him out. Trump calling Nazis good people apparently was not enough. When and if Trumps poll numbers fall with the conservative base, then perhaps he can be removed.

Unfortunately there are enough people on the right like 00f is on the left ie... the leader of their party can do no wrong. And those who are unable to challenge there own beliefs and rely on others to provide a structure for them, So there is a floor where he will not fall below.

 

[agent00f]

Unfortunately there are enough people on the right like 00f is on the left ie... the leader of their party can do no wrong. And those who are unable to challenge there own beliefs and rely on others to provide a structure for them, So there is a floor where he will not fall below.

Great demonstration of conservatives pretending equivocating about a blowjob is the same as colluding with putin on american elections. Same as their little pretend BothSides over charlottesville nazis/klan.