Another depressing study on Fish Oil :-(

[Java Cafe]

Please don't get me wrong. I am a fan of fish oil (and consume it in large quantities every day). I guess that is also why I tend to research it frequently. So, I came upon these . . .

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1357266

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/08/fish-oil-heart-attacks/2145431/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryhusten/2012/09/11/more-evidence-that-omega-3-supplements-dont-work/

The conclusion of the JAMA article is, "Overall, omega-3 PUFA supplementation was not associated with a lower risk of all-cause mortality, cardiac death, sudden death, myocardial infarction, or stroke based on relative and absolute measures of association."

I suppose that it still good for its anti-inflammatory properties. It also likely enhances protein synthesis; I am not sure.

This, along with the findings that Lipitor and other statins do little to extend life or reduce cardiac events, the only recourse, I guess, is to eat better (unprocessed quality food) and exercise. Yet, how large is the the pharmaceutical industry?

 

[OlafSicky]

The whole health supplement health food industry is a giant scam this is just another thing that proves it. People spend billions of dollars every year on "natural" supplements that provide no benefit and might harm people because the whole industry is not regulated.

Big pharma might be slightly better but not by much, at least there is some regulation and the fda.

 

[Koing]

I'm not too bothered about living longer. I eat well and don't drink or smoke. I'm sure I'll live a long life

I just need the anti inflammatory benefits so my joints are good.

Koing

 

[Java Cafe]

The whole health supplement health food industry is a giant scam this is just another thing that proves it. People spend billions of dollars every year on "natural" supplements that provide no benefit and might harm people because the whole industry is not regulated.

Big pharma might be slightly better but not by much, at least there is some regulation and the fda.

Big pharma pressured AMA to change the baseline lipid levels considered normal so that billions more dollars worth of statins could be sold. Another similar effort is beginning to take shape right now. Considering the "uselessness" of statins (which, by the way, I take because my GP tells me to do so), I think big pharma isn't absolved of the suspicion of putting profits before people.

 

[DAGTA]

One of the big problems with supplements is the range in quality. People often buy the cheapest quality supplements they can find: at Walgreens, Costco, Hi-Health or GNC. Those are often full of filler or overly processed ingredients and they often don't do anything.

On the flipside, there are some companies that produce high quality supplements that are food based and grown on farms. Those are basically like eating concentrated doses of food and can help do exactly what they should do: supplement normal eating to help provide lacking nutrition.

 

[z1ggy]

I try to keep my supplement intake to a min. I try my best to get all my daily nutrients through consumption of regular food. I do take protein powder as a meal supplement along with creatine (for muscle gain and recovery) and now am about to take CLA. The CLA is just to see if it helps boost my weight loss as I am still stalled out despite my good diet.

 

[Koing]

I try to keep my supplement intake to a min. I try my best to get all my daily nutrients through consumption of regular food. I do take protein powder as a meal supplement along with creatine (for muscle gain and recovery) and now am about to take CLA. The CLA is just to see if it helps boost my weight loss as I am still stalled out despite my good diet.

How log has your weight loss stalled out for?

You need to eat a bit less, cut your daily cal by 100 and see if this is enough. Your weight loss should not stall out this early.

You are either eating too much or training too little or a combo of both.

Koing

 

[z1ggy]

How log has your weight loss stalled out for?

You need to eat a bit less, cut your daily cal by 100 and see if this is enough. Your weight loss should not stall out this early.

You are either eating too much or training too little or a combo of both.

Koing

Eating 2300 cal a day. Going to gym 5x a week. According to a BMR and cal calc I used, 2900 a week would be the correct cals to maintain my weight doing exercise 3-5x a week, so...

I just assume I havent lost fat yet because eating this way is a shock to body, and probably some water weight. So far in three weeks I am up one pound. Keeping good track of macro's, eating 200g protein a day.. yadda yadda.

 

[Zivic]

Eating 2300 cal a day. Going to gym 5x a week. According to a BMR and cal calc I used, 2900 a week would be the correct cals to maintain my weight doing exercise 3-5x a week, so...

I just assume I havent lost fat yet because eating this way is a shock to body, and probably some water weight. So far in three weeks I am up one pound. Keeping good track of macro's, eating 200g protein a day.. yadda yadda.

i've taken cla for yrs... it isn't going to do squat for weight loss....

regardless of what a calc tells you, you need to figure out on your own how much is too much or not enough calories. a calc will just get you ballpark. in addition, the scale is just a number. it doesn't take into account body composition, more specically water retention

 

[blackdogdeek]

Considering the "uselessness" of statins (which, by the way, I take because my GP tells me to do so), I think big pharma isn't absolved of the suspicion of putting profits before people.

Do you mean statins are useless because they don't do anything or statins are useless because what they do doesn't matter?

 

[z1ggy]

i've taken cla for yrs... it isn't going to do squat for weight loss....

regardless of what a calc tells you, you need to figure out on your own how much is too much or not enough calories. a calc will just get you ballpark. in addition, the scale is just a number. it doesn't take into account body composition, more specically water retention

I see. Well I already ordered it, was only $20.

Yes it's a ball park but this will eb the 3rd time in the last few years I am shooting for weight loss. Generally what happened was the first 3-4 weeks I lost almost nothing, then after that point it took off. First time I lost 20lb, next time I lost 13lb, and neither time was I really lifting weights. Just doing random gym when I had time and ate better. But you are right, the scale isn't a big deal to me, it's my body fat %. But generally since I am eating under my maint. levels (according to the estimates) I shouldn't even be able to gain weight, even if I am lifting heavy. Worst case, my weight should hold steady while I lose fat and replace some of it with muscle, although I really don't know if that's possible for me (or in general).

 

[jtvang125]

I suspected the fish oil I was taking was causing my cystic acne breakouts so I stopped taking it for about 3 weeks now. The ones I got when I was still taking it are slowly healing and I haven't broke out with any new ones. Won't be touching it anymore.

 

[Java Cafe]

Do you mean statins are useless because they don't do anything or statins are useless because what they do doesn't matter?

Because what they do cannot be shown to make an appreciable difference in an outcome-based study on a large human population.

 

[Koing]

I see. Well I already ordered it, was only $20.

Yes it's a ball park but this will eb the 3rd time in the last few years I am shooting for weight loss. Generally what happened was the first 3-4 weeks I lost almost nothing, then after that point it took off. First time I lost 20lb, next time I lost 13lb, and neither time was I really lifting weights. Just doing random gym when I had time and ate better. But you are right, the scale isn't a big deal to me, it's my body fat %. But generally since I am eating under my maint. levels (according to the estimates) I shouldn't even be able to gain weight, even if I am lifting heavy. Worst case, my weight should hold steady while I lose fat and replace some of it with muscle, although I really don't know if that's possible for me (or in general).

Yes it's a ball park figure.

I'd reassess after you been on 4 weeks of 2300cals.

Do you look noticeably different in the 2weeks you have been on your diet or no change? Measurements? You have started taking creatine right? If so that could be the cause of your 1lb gain but it will serve you well in the long run.

Koing

 

[Oric]

Consuming regular fish oil supplement caused side effects on me. Every metabolism is different i guess

 

[Koing]

Consuming regular fish oil supplement caused side effects on me. Every metabolism is different i guess

What side effects did you have?

I've been hammering omega 3 for the past 3yrs pretty dam consistently. 5 in the morning and 5 at night when I didn't plan on eating salmon or grass fed steaks for the day. The only times I don't is when I'm on holiday.

Store your fish oils in the fridge as well guys.

Koing

 

[BeeBoop]

Fish Oil helps with my anxiety and it works fast on an empty stomach, in as little as 30 mins. There is research supporting this so that's one benefit that you can add to the list.

 

[uclaLabrat]

Because what they do cannot be shown to make an appreciable difference in an outcome-based study on a large human population.

You sure?

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=192226

31% reduction in coronary events is pretty freaking huge, though it is a meta-analysis.

 

[Java Cafe]

You sure?

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=192226

31% reduction in coronary events is pretty freaking huge, though it is a meta-analysis.

No one can be sure. Not even those who are doing research in this field. There are only varying levels of confidence (or lack thereof):

http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-ma.../some-doctors-challenge-new-statin-guidelines

http://people.csail.mit.edu/seneff/why_statins_dont_really_work.html

http://chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-statins-dont-save-lives-in-people-without-heart-disease

http://www.planetnaturopath.com/statin-deception-–-the-drugs-don’t-work-2/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...over-statins-arent-effective-40-patients.html

 

[Java Cafe]

Fish Oil helps with my anxiety and it works fast on an empty stomach, in as little as 30 mins. There is research supporting this so that's one benefit that you can add to the list.

Do you have any references to the research handy? TIA.

 

[z1ggy]

Yes it's a ball park figure.

I'd reassess after you been on 4 weeks of 2300cals.

Do you look noticeably different in the 2weeks you have been on your diet or no change? Measurements? You have started taking creatine right? If so that could be the cause of your 1lb gain but it will serve you well in the long run.

Koing

It's hard to tell. I will ask my g/f if she notices. I haven't been taking pics like you unfortinately...I live alone.

Yes 5g of creatine everyday. My strength is still increasing which means I haven't gotten back to where I was previously with lifts. I assume once I reach that point, strength gains will stop (b/c of reduced cals) and hopefully more weight loss will occur.

Also, I am roughly 17% body fat right now..So in another few weeks I will remeasure to see what that is.

 

[Zivic]

It's hard to tell. I will ask my g/f if she notices. I haven't been taking pics like you unfortinately...I live alone.

Yes 5g of creatine everyday. My strength is still increasing which means I haven't gotten back to where I was previously with lifts. I assume once I reach that point, strength gains will stop (b/c of reduced cals) and hopefully more weight loss will occur.

Also, I am roughly 17% body fat right now..So in another few weeks I will remeasure to see what that is.

up it to 20 grams on the days you train.. 10 pre, 10 post.

 

[BeeBoop]

Do you have any references to the research handy? TIA.

Not anything specific. All i did was google search them and found that recent studies show omega 3 is good for anxiety based on clinical trials.

 

[z1ggy]

up it to 20 grams on the days you train.. 10 pre, 10 post.

That's if you cycle I thought? I used to do 20 a day, but I did it for 4 weeks on, 2 weeks off. Now I just take 5g a day, everyday, no matter what.

 

[elitejp]

Jyst my two thoughts on fish oil...the few times I took it in heavy dosages my bf% dropped, Especially around the stomach. You do need to buy quality fish oil though and know what to look for when buying.

Currently i like to eat whole walnuts and flax as a substitute