Another Hurricane (Michael)

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ponyo

Lifer
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Wouldn't the boat be insured? Or is this considered act of God so it's not covered under normal boat insurance?

I think part of the reason why Mexico Beach got virtually wiped out is because many of the buildings and homes there were older construction and built before the tougher post hurricane Andrew building codes. Mexico Beach, Port St. Joe, and the rest of the Forgotten Coast area had that old school local beach town feel which I loved. Panama City Beach, Destin, Fort Walton, etc used to be like that before the big developers came in and totally ruined the area with cookie cutter ugly beach high rise condos built to Cat 5 hurricane codes and completely blocked the scenic beach views and small town feel. Now I'm pretty certain the same thing will happen with Mexico Beach and the rest of the Forgotten Coast areas. Big developers are going to buy up all the destroyed areas and build their ugly high rise beach condos and McMansions. It's going to become another hellhole Redneck Riviera like Panama City Beach, Destin, and Ft. Walton.
 

highland145

Lifer
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Wouldn't the boat be insured? Or is this considered act of God so it's not covered under normal boat insurance?
I didn't think to ask and who knows with her.

And I agree on the older houses and possible future of the area.
 

FeuerFrei

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I'd like to see the Destin // Navarre Beach area. The only places I've visited before. Anyone have any links ?
 

BUTCH1

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Hello everyone! Thanks for your concern. Still alive and kicking here. No power so no internet in house and the local Verizon tower went down so haven't had phone access to the world until now. No internet by phone, no calls, no texting. Did manage to get word to daughter and son that we made it through. No structural damage. No trees down. Just s***loads of small branches, leaves, etc. Was a scary experience I will say. Didn't know just how far trees could bend without snapping until now. We were in the thick of things from about 1pm until 10pm. Not fun. Have to go out now to local Publix (they all are open on generator power) to get ice and charge up the phones. No idea how long it will be until we get power back. Thankfully the temps dropped about 20° last night so That's a help. Bye for now.
Oh, cool!, yea, after my 1st close encounter with hurricane force winds I was shocked as well as to how far a tree can bend but as I mentioned earlier the one small item that worked in your favor was the quick forward speed of the storm. This probably prevented total saturation of the ground which can help trees stay upright.
 

GagHalfrunt

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I can understand. Hurricane insurance is crazy expensive. And it's only going to get more expensive after this.

I saw some pictures of the aftermath at Mexico Beach and it looked like an atomic bomb was dropped there. Pretty much everything completely leveled and destroyed. I'm still in shock and I'm just a person who liked to vacation there. It's going to take long time for that area to return to normal. It's crazy.

I live in the northeast and things are still not 100% recovered from Superstorm Sandy after six years. A couple of times per month one of those human interest stories pops up on the local news about homeowners on the Jersey shore still displaced and wrestling with insurance companies and contractors. "A long time..." is an understatement, especially considering how much worse Michael was than Sandy. The majority of it will be cleaned up and rebuilt in a few years, but I wouldn't be surprised if some isolated cases are not 100% settled a decade from now.
 

allisolm

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Still no power for us. I think Tallahassee has about 100,000 without power. They say 90% should have it by the end of the weekend. Would love to be in that 90% as temps are supposed to be back above 90 Monday. Ick.
 

BUTCH1

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Still no power for us. I think Tallahassee has about 100,000 without power. They say 90% should have it by the end of the weekend. Would love to be in that 90% as temps are supposed to be back above 90 Monday. Ick.
Yea, you should be OK, even after Irma, (which plowed through the middle of the state) we only lost power for 4-5 days. If it's just basic line repair from trees they can knock it out quickly, those in the Mexico beach area will have a much longer wait since the entire infrastructure is gone. Try and not overdoing things, cleaning up the yard can wait until you have AC to retreat to when you're done, nothing is worse than getting all sweaty/dirty and have no AC/cold beverage/hot shower when it's done!.
 

BUTCH1

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Another topic is even if you have built a storm capable of withstanding a cat 4-5 storm your neighbor's property likely is not going to be able to. When his structure shred's apart it can easily strike yours causing it to lose it's structural strength, I really almost don't see the purpose of building anything 30 ft from high tide, no matter how well it can resist wind with storm surge it's a goner.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Another topic is even if you have built a storm capable of withstanding a cat 4-5 storm your neighbor's property likely is not going to be able to. When his structure shred's apart it can easily strike yours causing it to lose it's structural strength, I really almost don't see the purpose of building anything 30 ft from high tide, no matter how well it can resist wind with storm surge it's a goner.

That's not an issue at all. You can easily build a structure that would survive neighboring houses being splintered and the debris being driven into it at 200mph. The major problem is money as something that sturdy would be prohibitively expensive. If you really want to live in a tank and you have enough money to built a house sized tank your home could withstand a Cat5 hurricane,an EF5 tornado and a major earthquake hitting it at the same time. But of course Mother Nature will just be a bitch and then open up a volcanic fissure directly under the property.
 

BUTCH1

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That's not an issue at all. You can easily build a structure that would survive neighboring houses being splintered and the debris being driven into it at 200mph. The major problem is money as something that sturdy would be prohibitively expensive. If you really want to live in a tank and you have enough money to built a house sized tank your home could withstand a Cat5 hurricane,an EF5 tornado and a major earthquake hitting it at the same time. But of course Mother Nature will just be a bitch and then open up a volcanic fissure directly under the property.
There are homes that can survive a cat 5 today, one resident of Dog island, (a small barrier island about 1/2 mile offshore) built his own home to withstand this and he safely rode out the storm there. Contractors can spec a home as well for that protection and build it for you, (of course it will cost more than a standard residence though). I'm not so sure about impact-resistance though, I'd have to check, wind-driven debris contains tremendous kinetic energy, I guess it might come down to how big the debris were and where it hit. Still won't help when storm surge rolls in however.
 

allisolm

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Power came back for us at 2AM this morning. Just in time for hot weather - 90 today through Wed. Glad that's over (for us at least). Sadly, so many others had it so much worse.
 

zinfamous

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You can really see the difference here.


heh, I noticed that, too. Looks like the storm blew in some newer, fancier houses for those home owners. In the other photo, a giant, 4 story party compound was created on the beach for one lucky homeowner, presumably from the swirling debris of other homes?
 

BUTCH1

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Power came back for us at 2AM this morning. Just in time for hot weather - 90 today through Wed. Glad that's over (for us at least). Sadly, so many others had it so much worse.
Great news, I thought you would be restored fairly quickly, from experience they will perform the repairs in the following order, hospitals/police station's/lift stations/water pumping, (to maintain positive pressure and avoid boil water alerts). Then they will affect repairs that will restore power to the most amount of people with minimal effort, in one instance a fuse at a local substation restored our entire street. In areas like Mexico beach it might take months, the infrastructure is completely gone so they will be starting from scratch and probably only a few homes/business's are able to actually use power anyway. I would guess they must have to check and remove/replace/repair all the service drops, (the line that goes to the house) before energizing a particular area. Possible fire hazard to have power come on connected to a smashed fuse-box/wiring.
 

BUTCH1

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heh, I noticed that, too. Looks like the storm blew in some newer, fancier houses for those home owners. In the other photo, a giant, 4 story party compound was created on the beach for one lucky homeowner, presumably from the swirling debris of other homes?
Yea, that's part of the problem in making a house able to withstand 150MPH winds, they can create designs that allow wind to flow around (circular one's work great for this) or reinforce conventional designs to better withstand the enormous wind loads. If your neighbors roof starts flying off those heavy debris will now be striking other structures and potentially weakening their ability to hold up. Looking at those photo's it seems a lot of this was happening and probably had a domino like effect.
 

highland145

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One is sis' buildings at Mexico Beach. Looks pretty good considering. She says UPS is refusing to deliver to Port St Joe and sending packages back even though it's easily accessible. Most importantly, peoples meds. WTH, UPS?
 
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