Another LindowsOS update!

CSFM

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Sounds to me like things are really starting to heat up in the court room now. Take a look at this latest letter from Michael Roberts. Laeve a comment...



Lindows.com: Legal Update

Here's the latest news on our legal dispute with Microsoft Corporation. We recently submitted our papers in opposition to Microsoft's request to immediately block us from using our company name Lindows.com as well as our product name LindowsOS.

You can read our legal papers here , but I'll do my best to summarize some of the major points.

(Note: There are some portions which are not readable because Microsoft claims that certain facts about what they have done in the past should be kept confidential. We intend to ask the Judge to allow us to make those parts public, but until then, this is all we can show you.)

Microsoft is trying to prevent the public from using a descriptive English word "windows" which has had meaning in the computer industry for years prior to Microsoft's use. Companies such as Xerox, DEC, and Apple have used the term for years to describe graphical user interfaces which incorporate graphical elements to display and manage applications. Not until 1983 did Microsoft start using the term 'windows', in connection with an operating system product. For whatever reason, Microsoft waited 7 years before they decided to file a trademark application for "windows" in 1990. US Patent and Trademark Office records show that at least one company lodged a significant protest. The US Patent and Trademark Office subsequently rejected their application because "windows" was a generic word. (Microsoft actually has a pattern of pairing their name with a generic term such a "Microsoft Word". Read more about this in
John Dvorak's Declaration The US PTO later reversed itself only after Microsoft... (this is something we can't tell you).

A Washington, DC Court has found that over the last decade Microsoft has engaged in unlawful practices and spent billions on marketing and advertising to establish and extend an illegal monopoly. No matter how much money a company spends, they should not be allowed to prevent others from using a descriptive term widely used in the industry; especially if that company has been found guilty of illegal tactics to build and maintain its monopoly. This would be like a furniture company selling a "Super Chair", driving other furniture companies out of business illegally, and then trying to gain exclusive rights to the word "chair" and block all competitors from using it.

Another critical fact that clearly illuminates Microsoft's true motivations is that over the last 10 years Microsoft has never filed a lawsuit similar to the one they filed against Lindows.com in spite of the fact that there are hundreds of products which use the term "windows". Our users helped us identify hundreds of products which use or incorporate the term "windows", These products run on a variety of operating systems (including Linux and Macintosh). Some are actually operating systems themselves. There are commercial products, shareware, freeware, open source, and even hardware products. None of these products are made by Microsoft; none have licensed the term "windows" from Microsoft. But Microsoft has never filed a lawsuit against any of them. Take a trip to any computer store, flip through a mail order catalog or visit any software site on the Internet and you will find many, many products entitled windows something or something windows. And hundreds more products containing "win" or other such variations. Yet Microsoft hasn't brought any action against them. Ask yourself this -- "Why would Microsoft allow these thousands of products to use what they claim to be their trademark with no protest whatsoever, but decide to sue Lindows.com?" The fact that Microsoft is targeting only Lindows.com demonstrates their real motivation is to stop a potential competitor and NOT that they believe there's confusion concerning our product name.

While Microsoft alleges people will be confused when they asked the judge to shut down Lindows.com, they offered no evidence whatsoever that anyone was actually confused between Microsoft's programs and LindowsOS. In fact, we hired an independent marketing company to conduct a survey, asking over 14,000 likely buyers to participate. The results revealed that not even a SINGLE respondent was confused. The survey was supervised by an expert from San Diego State University. Go here to read about the survey results. . Microsoft offered no expert testimony (apart from Microsoft employees). They did no surveys. If they had done a survey, they would have found out exactly what our research revealed; that there is NO confusion whatsoever among potential buyers.

We want to focus on building our product and not fighting in court, but we also think it's important to stand up to the bully on the first playground encounter otherwise he'll chase you home every day. We have offered a compromise to Microsoft whereby we would continue to use our company name Lindows.com since that bears no resemblance whatsoever to Microsoft, but we would not use LindowsOS as our product name. This offer was not accepted.

The next step in the lawsuit is a court hearing February 27th where the judge will hear our oral arguments and then make his ruling either at that time or a later date. We'll keep you posted on the latest news and thanks for your support!


Michael Robertson
CEO of Lindows.com
michaelr@lindows.com

Bringing choice to your computer!

Lindows.com has just released a Sneak Preview of LindowsOS to a select group of Insiders. The Sneak Preview is not a fully completed product but showcases many of the unique features such as a friendly install alongside an existing Microsoft Windows operating system, a streamlined installation process which requires no computer knowledge and the ability to run popular Windows-based programs. This will be followed by version 1.0 which will go on sale later this year for $99. For more information see
http://www.lindows.com/products

Make a comment... please... this is getting good now!
-CSFM-
 

n0cmonkey

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Does this remind anyone else of the whole SSH.com vs. OpenSSH thing a little while back? Atleast SSH.com had a reasonable claim on that one...
 

CSFM

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He has a valid point in the letter where he mentions standing up to MS other wise they will trample all over Lindows. Good luck to him I say. I know some members of this forum are sceptical, and that is healthy. But to not give Lindows a go would be narrow minded, as would be greeting him with open arms. I always advise caution!
 

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<< He has a valid point in the letter where he mentions standing up to MS other wise they will trample all over Lindows. Good luck to him I say. I know some members of this forum are sceptical, and that is healthy. But to not give Lindows a go would be narrow minded, as would be greeting him with open arms. I always advise caution! >>



My point was against Microsoft. Maybe you dont know what happened

I want to see what happens with Lindows as far as technical merit. This legal crap pisses me off. Its stupid and useless (much like certain OSes ). But it is unfortunately a part of the modern life. Hopefully the courts give people some credit and say that most people are smart enough to not get confused.
 

CSFM

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n0cmonkey I wasn't directing my comments toward you then. I have posted stuff up here about Lindows before and people seemed less than enthusiastic.
 

n0cmonkey

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<< n0cmonkey I wasn't directing my comments toward you then. I have posted stuff up here about Lindows before and people seemed less than enthusiastic. >>



And I usually respond to your posts. I didnt realize your respose was a resposne to your own post as opposed to a response to my post

Anyhow, yeah, lindows, woohoo, lets go team, rah rah rah, and all that
 

CSFM

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How much wood would a wood chuck chuck,
If a wood chuck could chuck wood...?

LOL
 

Barnaby W. Füi

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i just read the declaration made by john c dvorak in relation to the lindows case, and i must admit i am extremely impressed. if you could equate my respect for that guy with a number, before it was a 8, now it's like a 12.
 

CSFM

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i just read the declaration made by john c dvorak in relation to the lindows case, and i must admit i am extremely impressed. if you could equate my respect for that guy with a number, before it was a 8, now it's like a 12.

Yeah... seems like he has his head screwed on right, and they have prepared a great case against MS. If MS win this one, I am sure they are slipping some money to the judge. :|
 

thornc

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Just read all of the text they presented... good stuff. A good recall of the OS industry.

Let's hope that Lindows get's going... another choice is always good!

 

Catchen22

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Lindows is nuts going up against Microsoft head to head. But I'm all for it, and hope that Lindows wins the case and becomes a Successful
OS. GO LINDOWS.
 

ProviaFan

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Although I probably will not use their OS (since I use Windows for things that must be done in Windows and Linux for all else), I still think they are doing what appears to be a great job, and wish them best of luck in their fight against the evil giant. It's about time that someone should stand up and do something about this monopoly.
 

earthman

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How are they nuts to go head to head with Microsoft? Microsoft started all this! If they don't defend themselves, what is the alternative? Go out of business?
 

n0cmonkey

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<< How are they nuts to go head to head with Microsoft? Microsoft started all this! If they don't defend themselves, what is the alternative? Go out of business? >>



Or go out of business trying to stay in business. I think they are doing the right thing, but when the judicial system is in the pocket of your opponent you should think twice.
 

earthman

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I don't think the judicial system is in anybody's pocket, its just very uninformed.
 

n0cmonkey

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<< I don't think the judicial system is in anybody's pocket, its just very uninformed. >>



I will agree that it is uninformed.
 

gamephile

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For those that are intrested, John C. Dvorak's Decleration can be found Here. Note: It is in PDF format.

Yeah, I'm a real quick one. Just noticed a link to the Lindows site with mutiple links is in the first post...oh well.
 

CSFM

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<< I don't think the judicial system is in anybody's pocket, its just very uninformed. >>

I think it is a mixture of both of these reasons that could be the demise of yet another good idea.
It's a shame to see...
 
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