another matrox nda broken: russian site w/ pics

[Brandino]

http://ixbt.com/video2/matrox-parhelia512.shtml

 

[John]

This could have been posted in the other Matrox NDA... thread that was just started.

 

[jpprod]

Depth-dependant tessallator on hardware... 16x FSAA based on edge fragments...

Damn, never thought I'd cry actual tears over a piece graphics hardware!

 

[DeathByDuke]

Ouch! Looks like NV30 and R300 need something REALLY special to kill this one - remember G400 and Env. Bump Mapping? Only card with it for nearly three generations - i reckon thats what made it such a good seller.

 

[joohang]

Originally posted by: jpprod
Depth-dependant tessallator on hardware... 16x FSAA based on edge fragments...

Damn, never thought I'd cry actual tears over a piece graphics hardware!

I'm so sold to this card already unless the benchmarks reveal otherwise.

 

[mastertech01]

The Russians are so far advanced that its already the 14th there..

 

[joohang]

Originally posted by: mastertech01
The Russians are so far advanced that its already the 14th there..

Or perhaps they adopted a new calendar system.

 

[JackBurton]

Damn, this REALLY pisses me off!!! Now I'm going to have to get two more Sony G520s. Seriously, that 3 monitor setup looks sweeet as hell. Damn, it looks like I'll need a big desk too.

And that 16X FSAA is just crazy!!

 

[joohang]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Damn, this REALLY pisses me off!!! Now I'm going to have to get two more Sony G520s.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Damn, this REALLY pisses me off!!! Now I'm going to have to get two more Sony G520s. Seriously, that 3 monitor setup looks sweeet as hell. Damn, it looks like I'll need a big desk too.

Maybe you should just get 2 of THESE having a slower refresh rate in games on the side panels wouldn't be such a big deal since you'll be doing all your shooting on the central monitor in FPS's.

<--Wishes he had money to buy 2 nice LCDs to go with his 19" FD Trinitron

-Ice

 

[Pocatello]

I'm surprised that Amish guy hasn't jumbed in yet and make a 1000 posts saying the same thing. This videocard could put playing MS Flight Simulator to another level of realism, if you can afford 3 19" monitors sitting side by side. Very sweet.

 

[Nemesis77]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Parhelia smacks everything else out there

 

[flexy]

Article in english

that's NOT translated by babelfish etc..it's a very good english translation of this article !
(found on www.digit-life.com)

 

[Martin]

hot damn!

 

[Sunner]

Digit-life is iXBT's English site IIRC.

Anyways, looks like it might just kick ass, I certainly hope so, cause I want that Matrox 2D, but I dont wanna give up nVidia's 3D

 

[wolf550e]

The article never says today is the 14th. look at the end, there's a date. the 14th is, as they say, the end of the NDA. they also explain that they did not sign it, therefore they couldn't care less about it. they say matrox is not particularly interested in the Rusian market (the company didn't announce the new product to its Russian distributers). I wonder why...

-Wolf550e

 

[flexy]

(my personal opinion based on what i need/want in a gfx card):

- probably very expensive (256 bit mem...)
- useless features for which you pay (tv out, dvd, 3 heads)
- no optimizations like nvidia or ati has, rather "plain" speed
- no real dx9 card
- no ps1.4

read the article...hell there's a lot to read....great article btw....

+ fast (?)
+ probably FANTASTIC antialiasing (SSAA affects only polygon edges)
+ displacement mapping (ROCKS!!!!) and n-patches


- I personally do NOT need any gimmicks like DVD..since i own a very high quality progressive Pnasonic 'real' dvd-player..i dont want a low quality dvd player which is implemented in many cards..and i dont want my PC running for 'watching DVDs'...ergo i do not need a DVD player or DVD/HDTV chip
USELESS !

- same with dual/triple head

Why should i connect my Parhelia (or current radeon 8500) to the TV ? My 19" samsung has a MUCH better picture than my TV...WHY ? Why do i need TV-out ?
Etc....etc... paying for stuff you dont need...that's how i see it...

I dont say that parhelia will be a bad card...nononoon....we will see how it's drivers are...how it performs...and i think we go towards VERY interesting times with the other upcoming cards (R300, NV30)

The parhelia displacement mapping is GREAT (!!!!!!) - but as with my radeon...who cares about truform, pixelshader1.4 ? Noone...who will support displacement mapping if only ONE card (Matrox) is able to do it ? I see the same problem coming up....

as someone stated it in the article....the parhelia will probably target people who want MANY features (see above)..esp 2D, DVD/HDTV..Home theater people....but it MAY lack when it comes to the basics. The basics for me are d3d/opengl performance. THIS MUST be right..and everything else i consider luxury where i can decide whether i want/need it or not. But i dont want to pay in advance for things i'll never need...

 

[bacillus]

me must get one!

 

[AgentofEvil]

Mmmmm, sweet displacement mapping, I can't wait. BTW, thanks for the english link flexy.

 

[Muadib]

I'll wait until I jump onboard. I've heard this song before from Matrox.

 

[Czar]

could someone explain this, I have a bad feeling about it

There's the new format for improved integer data representation on-screen: 10:10:10:2 (RGBA), where each color component has the 10-bit precision.

This means that each color gets 10bits and alpha gets 2bits, normaly its 8bits per color and then 8bit alpha, does that mean that transparency will look bad ? overall there is no change, its still 32bit color

 

[Booster]

How much will it cost? My guess is $600 at the release date. 256MB of 256-bit DDR... It may cost even more, I guess.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Booster
How much will it cost? My guess is $600 at the release date. 256MB of 256-bit DDR... It may cost even more, I guess.

expected price is $1000 for the 256mb version and $300 for the 32mb version, 64mb and 128mb somewhere between

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: Czar
could someone explain this, I have a bad feeling about it

There's the new format for improved integer data representation on-screen: 10:10:10:2 (RGBA), where each color component has the 10-bit precision.

This means that each color gets 10bits and alpha gets 2bits, normaly its 8bits per color and then 8bit alpha, does that mean that transparency will look bad ? overall there is no change, its still 32bit color

I remember hearing rumours about 40bit color, so it could be 10 bits per color, and 10 bits for alpha.

Fixed the alpha "bitness". Can't count. D'oH!

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: Czar
could someone explain this, I have a bad feeling about it

There's the new format for improved integer data representation on-screen: 10:10:10:2 (RGBA), where each color component has the 10-bit precision.

This means that each color gets 10bits and alpha gets 2bits, normaly its 8bits per color and then 8bit alpha, does that mean that transparency will look bad ? overall there is no change, its still 32bit color

I remember hearing rumours about 40bit color, so it could be 10 bits per color, and 8 bits for alpha.

that would make much more sense, 2bits for alpha is just stupid.

what worries me is the possible speed of this thing, I'v been hearing that this card is about 2x faster than the geforce4 and I'm happy with that, but then I read on ixbt that they arent focusing on speed