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Jhhnn

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I posted links from well know sources to back up my statements, and you have what? Just more lame excuses and pathetic spins.

Remember this. LEGALS = si. ILLEGALS = no. Comprende?

But hey, follow the current immigration rules and laws are for chumps, right? Just sneak in, lay low for a few years, pop out a few babies = good enough for you and your ilk. Why even bother to do things the right way. So much for "fairness", "equality", "for the working class". LOL.

I quoted the source you provided. And, yeh, we know you hate illegals with the burning heat of 1000 suns. You really should talk to somebody about that because it'll eat you up inside.
 

Svnla

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I quoted the source you provided. And, yeh, we know you hate illegals with the burning heat of 1000 suns. You really should talk to somebody about that because it'll eat you up inside.

Since when demanding EVERYONE (no exception) to follow current rules and laws EQUALLY = hate?

You better tell every single sovereign country on Earth to stop all the hate because every single one of them all have immigration rules and laws for all to follow, not just a few. Not a single sovereign country on Earth that have no immigration rules and laws. Not one, nada, zip.

Spin baby spin, because that is all you have.
 
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nickqt

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I posted links from well know sources to back up my statements, and you have what? Just more lame excuses and pathetic spins.

Remember this. LEGALS = si. ILLEGALS = no. Comprende?

But hey, follow the current immigration rules and laws are for chumps, right? Just sneak in, lay low for a few years, pop out a few babies = good enough for you and your ilk. Why even bother to do things the right way. So much for "fairness", "equality", "for the working class". LOL.
Christ, why don't you and your right-wing authoritarian friends go and sit at the border lobbing grenades at people trying to climb the fence. You believe they are illegal, so why not?

Go get 'em, c̶h̶u̶m̶p̶ Champ.
 

Svnla

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Christ, why don't you and your right-wing authoritarian friends go and sit at the border lobbing grenades at people trying to climb the fence. You believe they are illegal, so why not?

Go get 'em, c̶h̶u̶m̶p̶ Champ.

People break immigration rules and laws = ILLEGALS. Their own action and behavior make themselves as ILLEGALS, not about what I believe. Nice try to spin, chump.

Grenades? LOL. What you've been smoking?

Let me say it again and here it is.

Since when demanding EVERYONE (no exception) to follow current rules and laws EQUALLY = hate?

You better tell every single sovereign country on Earth to stop all the hate because every single one of them all have immigration rules and laws for all to follow, not just a few. Not a single sovereign country on Earth that have no immigration rules and laws. Not one, nada, zip.

Spin, diverse, spin. Full speed ahead.
 

DrunkenSano

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I have to agree with Svnla if the article that was posted is real. The refugees no longer have a leg to stand on if they reject any offers by Mexican authorities to shelter them and provide them refuge. Refugees shouldn't get to pick and choose where they want to go, they are not on vacation and selecting a resort. They are fleeing terrible conditions where they were and should gladly embrace any offers provided to them to get out of that danger. There is also no reason to have to travel all the way to Mexico City just to negotiate, negotiations can happen in the southern part of Mexico, which makes more sense because if it turns out they don't qualify for asylum or refugee status, it'll be much easier to turn them back to their original country. This has nothing to do with right-wing authoritarianism, but what makes sense. For them to reject offers or demand that they be transported to Mexico City is absurd at best and very suspicious at worst.
 

Jhhnn

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I have to agree with Svnla if the article that was posted is real. The refugees no longer have a leg to stand on if they reject any offers by Mexican authorities to shelter them and provide them refuge. Refugees shouldn't get to pick and choose where they want to go, they are not on vacation and selecting a resort. They are fleeing terrible conditions where they were and should gladly embrace any offers provided to them to get out of that danger. There is also no reason to have to travel all the way to Mexico City just to negotiate, negotiations can happen in the southern part of Mexico, which makes more sense because if it turns out they don't qualify for asylum or refugee status, it'll be much easier to turn them back to their original country. This has nothing to do with right-wing authoritarianism, but what makes sense. For them to reject offers or demand that they be transported to Mexico City is absurd at best and very suspicious at worst.

Yeh, but what if they were Norwegian? Trump wouldn't get any political mileage out of it at all.
 

umbrella39

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I'll ask again... what Democrats want these people here?

I have yet to meet one who wants open borders or our immigration laws abandoned...

Why does the Democrat leadership always on standby? This whole "Give Trump enough rope to hang himself" shit might not work in a few days...

How about the go on the press Sunday and State unequivocally that they don't want them crossing the border either and that Trump is as usual just full of shit? If they don't take the House they have only themselves to blame.

Overactive fear centers are on full flush right now and the dem leadership all look like border pussies... FFS. This swamp does need a good cleaning...
 

Svnla

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I have to agree with Svnla if the article that was posted is real. The refugees no longer have a leg to stand on if they reject any offers by Mexican authorities to shelter them and provide them refuge. Refugees shouldn't get to pick and choose where they want to go, they are not on vacation and selecting a resort. They are fleeing terrible conditions where they were and should gladly embrace any offers provided to them to get out of that danger. There is also no reason to have to travel all the way to Mexico City just to negotiate, negotiations can happen in the southern part of Mexico, which makes more sense because if it turns out they don't qualify for asylum or refugee status, it'll be much easier to turn them back to their original country. This has nothing to do with right-wing authoritarianism, but what makes sense. For them to reject offers or demand that they be transported to Mexico City is absurd at best and very suspicious at worst.

The two articles I posted above were from AP (Associated Press), a well-known news source. Not a nobody. Look how Jhhnn tried to spin it into a race matter. See above of my post about everyone (no exception) should follow rules and laws equally.

Here is another article from AP, so much for "peaceful refugees" -

He said that Mexican federal police and immigration agents were attacked with rocks, glass bottles and fireworks when migrants broke through a gate on the Mexican side of the border, but that none of the officers were armed with firearms or anything that could fire rubber bullets. Navarrete said some of the attackers carried guns and firebombs.

Raul Medina Melendez, security chief for the tiny municipality in Oaxaca state, said the town was distributing sandwiches and water to migrants camped in the central square Saturday night when a man with a megaphone asked people to wait their turn.

Some hurled insults at the man with the megaphone, then they attacked him, Medina said. Police rescued the man as he was being beaten and took him to a hospital for treatment, though his condition was not immediately clear


https://www.yahoo.com/news/1-migrant-dies-2nd-group-tries-force-entry-042048490.html
 
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K1052

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I have to agree with Svnla if the article that was posted is real. The refugees no longer have a leg to stand on if they reject any offers by Mexican authorities to shelter them and provide them refuge. Refugees shouldn't get to pick and choose where they want to go, they are not on vacation and selecting a resort. They are fleeing terrible conditions where they were and should gladly embrace any offers provided to them to get out of that danger. There is also no reason to have to travel all the way to Mexico City just to negotiate, negotiations can happen in the southern part of Mexico, which makes more sense because if it turns out they don't qualify for asylum or refugee status, it'll be much easier to turn them back to their original country. This has nothing to do with right-wing authoritarianism, but what makes sense. For them to reject offers or demand that they be transported to Mexico City is absurd at best and very suspicious at worst.

Based on what I've seen several thousand have accepted offers extended by the Mexican government. Some are continuing toward the US, I've seen nothing to indicate they are somehow ineligible for such offers just that they have made a choice.

Really all this panic over the caravan is incredibly overblown since people from central america have been making this trip for years just in smaller groups with far less publicity. They have, for quite some time, made up a large and increasing portion of the people arriving at the southern border as Mexican migration started to turn negative almost a decade ago while central american conditions deteriorated.
 

dud

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I have to agree with Svnla if the article that was posted is real. The refugees no longer have a leg to stand on if they reject any offers by Mexican authorities to shelter them and provide them refuge. Refugees shouldn't get to pick and choose where they want to go, they are not on vacation and selecting a resort. They are fleeing terrible conditions where they were and should gladly embrace any offers provided to them to get out of that danger. There is also no reason to have to travel all the way to Mexico City just to negotiate, negotiations can happen in the southern part of Mexico, which makes more sense because if it turns out they don't qualify for asylum or refugee status, it'll be much easier to turn them back to their original country. This has nothing to do with right-wing authoritarianism, but what makes sense. For them to reject offers or demand that they be transported to Mexico City is absurd at best and very suspicious at worst.


I believe that all they have to do is approach a border/ICE agent and ask for asylum. The problem with this approach is that under the current administration, it has become very difficult to SUCCESSFULLY argue for asylum once you get your chance to be heard.

I am perplexed by the attitude of many of the migrants in that if they assume that they are getting in ... when the reality is (based upon the April, 2018 caravan numbers) that few will get an asylum hearing and even fewer will actually get asylum.
 

fskimospy

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Based on what I've seen several thousand have accepted offers extended by the Mexican government. Some are continuing toward the US, I've seen nothing to indicate they are somehow ineligible for such offers just that they have made a choice.

Really all this panic over the caravan is incredibly overblown since people from central america have been making this trip for years just in smaller groups with far less publicity. They have, for quite some time, made up a large and increasing portion of the people arriving at the southern border as Mexican migration started to turn negative almost a decade ago while central american conditions deteriorated.

It is really depressing just how easily conservatives can have their attention hijacked into anti-immigrant hysteria. What's happening isn't new, it's not special, and it's not dangerous. The only difference now is that Republicans are afraid of losing an election because they are corrupt and have horrible, plutocratic policies. What's the answer? Find some scary brown people.
 

VRAMdemon

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It's hard to understand the depth of commitment that these people are displaying here. They think they're about to get 'wiped out', 'taken over', 'overrun'... they think this is imminent. And they know that they're right: they seem to think they are God's only chosen people.

And these nutters keep fanning the flames of the Soros conspiracy..It's like this guy is the most powerful person in the world.

Three weeks ago, Rudy Giuliani retweeted a tweet that said, "Follow the money. I think Soros is the anti-Christ! He must go! Freeze his assets & I bet the protests stop"

Bunch more Fox News tweets, fanning the Soros conspiracy flames.
 

VRAMdemon

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More nutters fanning flames of paranoia...Ann Coulter calls for an invasion of Mexico.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...055bc948c1aed?

She knows exactly what she is doing and who she is appealing to. In normal interactions, she's considered fine/normal. Any type of event or interaction that might be recorded, she switches into inflammatory mode.

Kevin McCarthy calls out three Jews (though he did not identify them as such) for funding the Democrats.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0d38b58842c96
 

senseamp

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I'll ask again... what Democrats want these people here?

I have yet to meet one who wants open borders or our immigration laws abandoned...

Why does the Democrat leadership always on standby? This whole "Give Trump enough rope to hang himself" shit might not work in a few days...

How about the go on the press Sunday and State unequivocally that they don't want them crossing the border either and that Trump is as usual just full of shit? If they don't take the House they have only themselves to blame.

Overactive fear centers are on full flush right now and the dem leadership all look like border pussies... FFS. This swamp does need a good cleaning...
Republicans want these people here. Most of the businesses and farms that employ them are run by Republicans, and Republicans have been using illegal labor to undermine farm labor movements in the US.
 

Jhhnn

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It's hard to understand the depth of commitment that these people are displaying here. They think they're about to get 'wiped out', 'taken over', 'overrun'... they think this is imminent. And they know that they're right: they seem to think they are God's only chosen people.

And these nutters keep fanning the flames of the Soros conspiracy..It's like this guy is the most powerful person in the world.

Three weeks ago, Rudy Giuliani retweeted a tweet that said, "Follow the money. I think Soros is the anti-Christ! He must go! Freeze his assets & I bet the protests stop"

Bunch more Fox News tweets, fanning the Soros conspiracy flames.

Truth isn't truth in Rudy's world. There is no truth. There is only what they can get the chumps to believe.
 

zerocool84

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Republicans want these people here. Most of the businesses and farms that employ them are run by Republicans, and Republicans have been using illegal labor to undermine farm labor movements in the US.
The RICH republicans want them here for their slave labor. They control everything the right sees and hears to make sure the normal voting Republicans are scared of anybody darker than them.
 
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K1052

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It is really depressing just how easily conservatives can have their attention hijacked into anti-immigrant hysteria. What's happening isn't new, it's not special, and it's not dangerous. The only difference now is that Republicans are afraid of losing an election because they are corrupt and have horrible, plutocratic policies. What's the answer? Find some scary brown people.

Also they have to pretend that they are pro-healthcare launching a torrent of outright lies that even in our time is astonishing.
 

brycejones

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It is really depressing just how easily conservatives can have their attention hijacked into anti-immigrant hysteria. What's happening isn't new, it's not special, and it's not dangerous. The only difference now is that Republicans are afraid of losing an election because they are corrupt and have horrible, plutocratic policies. What's the answer? Find some scary brown people.

Well putting Kavenaugh on the court took away the "save the babies" angle. So yeah, they are left with brown people.
 

FerrelGeek

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The rich reps want the illegals here for cheap labor. The dem elite (also rich) want them here to get them normalized in society, i.e., registered to vote dem. Neither of the party elite actually care about these people.
 

K1052

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The rich reps want the illegals here for cheap labor. The dem elite (also rich) want them here to get them normalized in society, i.e., registered to vote dem. Neither of the party elite actually care about these people.

This is patently untrue. Every serious attempt at immigration reform in recent memory, pre-Trump, enjoyed bipartisan support at high levels of both conferences and especially the Dems. It was radical conservatives who successfully undid every attempt for the last decade.

Also the idea that Democrats want illegals so they can vote for them is blatant GOP scaremongering.
 
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fskimospy

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Also they have to pretend that they are pro-healthcare launching a torrent of outright lies that even in our time is astonishing.

It’s difficult to find a person with a lower opinion of conservatives’ honesty but even i was shocked by the level of dishonesty there. Not only do we have people who voted repeatedly to remove pre-existing condition protections claiming they are the protectors of it, not only do we have people CURRENTLY ATTEMPTING to remove pre-existing protections through litigation claiming they are the protectors of it, they claim that the people who came up with these protections to begin with are the real people against these protections.
 

Jaskalas

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Yeh, but what if they were Norwegian? Trump wouldn't get any political mileage out of it at all.

If the ENTIRE population of Norway moved, illegally, into the United States. They'd be less than 1/3rd of the illegal population we already have today.

Because that's the entire problem. The scale and volume of it all.
 

K1052

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It’s difficult to find a person with a lower opinion of conservatives’ honesty but even i was shocked by the level of dishonesty there. Not only do we have people who voted repeatedly to remove pre-existing condition protections claiming they are the protectors of it, not only do we have people CURRENTLY ATTEMPTING to remove pre-existing protections through litigation claiming they are the protectors of it, they claim that the people who came up with these protections to begin with are the real people against these protections.

Yeah along with the insane argument that Republicans must be elected to protect Medicare/Medicaid/SS after they can't manage to go a week without admitting, unprompted, that they want to curtail all those programs.

On the plus side the electorate doesn't seem to be buying this.
 

Jhhnn

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If the ENTIRE population of Norway moved, illegally, into the United States. They'd be less than 1/3rd of the illegal population we already have today.

Because that's the entire problem. The scale and volume of it all.

So what? Do you think the average Trumpster knows or cares about that?

Get real. If numbers were what mattered Trump could have said Congo instead of Norway to have the same effect.

Looking back at your post, you even fudged the numbers. The number of illegals in this country is roughly twice the population of Norway & a little more, not 3X.
 

Vic

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I'm sure this has already been addressed in this thread, but these refugees in the caravan are not intending to enter the US illegally.
 
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