Another migrant caravan heading for the USA ...

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blackangst1

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This post?



That post describes exactly what the Asylum seekers intend to do, as is their right under Mexican law & our own.

But the leader of the richest country in the world & his devotees think our much poorer neighbor to the south are the ones who should take the migrants in, not us. Because reasons.

And, uhh, have we seen any proposals from our Dear Leader to do things to help make life better in the northern triangle so that these folks will have better reasons to stay home? Anything constructive to ease the pressure on our borders long term?

Not a fucking chance, asshole. Cut their aid. Fuck 'em harder. Cut taxes for the Rich & they'll deal with it via the sacred Free Market, I'm sure.

Look, you stupid fuck. Mexico HAS ALREADY OFFERED. Jobs, food, housing, medical care. Convenient exclusion in your rage filled rant?
 

Jhhnn

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Meghan54

Lifer
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Our offer is already on the table. We will process their applications for asylum. What more needs to be said?

Maybe not use U.S. troops to prevent the migrants from seeking asylum in the first place? After all, the migrants do have to enter U.S. soil in the first place to petition for asylum, which Trump says the troops are there to prevent.....the migrants from crossing into U.S. territory.
 

JSt0rm

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Maybe not use U.S. troops to prevent the migrants from seeking asylum in the first place? After all, the migrants do have to enter U.S. soil in the first place to petition for asylum, which Trump says the troops are there to prevent.....the migrants from crossing into U.S. territory.

The optics of us soldiers gunning down dirty migrants is so bad i fully expect it to become a reality.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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Maybe not use U.S. troops to prevent the migrants from seeking asylum in the first place? After all, the migrants do have to enter U.S. soil in the first place to petition for asylum, which Trump says the troops are there to prevent.....the migrants from crossing into U.S. territory.
And who is to say the troops aren't there to make they actually cross at official crossings?
 

Meghan54

Lifer
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And who is to say the troops aren't there to make they actually cross at official crossings?

So what you're saying is that a migrant caravan on its way to the U.S. border cannot be served by the ICE and Border patrol agents already there nor by the 2,100 National Guard troops already there. Gotcha.
 

Jhhnn

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Our offer is already on the table. We will process their applications for asylum. What more needs to be said?

Please. The GOP & Trump admin policy has deliberately gummed up the works. Their insistence that asylum seekers be detained dictates that only so many applications can be processed in order to do that.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-border-immigrants-asylum-20181031-story.html

It's a huge humanitarian crisis. What do we get from the Trump admin? Heart of stone, bitches. Fucking heart of stone.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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So what you're saying is that a migrant caravan on its way to the U.S. border cannot be served by the ICE and Border patrol agents already there nor by the 2,100 National Guard troops already there. Gotcha.
That's not at all what I'm saying.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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Please. The GOP & Trump admin policy has deliberately gummed up the works. Their insistence that asylum seekers be detained dictates that only so many applications can be processed in order to do that.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-border-immigrants-asylum-20181031-story.html

It's a huge humanitarian crisis. What do we get from the Trump admin? Heart of stone, bitches. Fucking heart of stone.
Nowhere does it say anything about insistence on being detained.
 

Meghan54

Lifer
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That's not at all what I'm saying.

That's exactly what you just said......"And who is to say the (soon to be added 15K additional Federal) troops aren't there to make they actually cross at official crossings?"

I simply asked if the 2,100 Nat. Guardsmen, ICE and Border Patrol agents aren't enough to ensure the migrants will cross where the asylum petitions are accepted........and then you spew "that's not what I'm saying" crap.

So what you're actually saying is that the Fed. troops are there to do what exactly? If they cross the border illegally, the families most assuredly will be broken up with their kids taken away.....that's already a fact.

The migrants have to appear at specific crossing points to even begin the application process for asylum, so why the need for the additional 15K Federal troops?
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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That's exactly what you just said......"And who is to say the (soon to be added 15K additional Federal) troops aren't there to make they actually cross at official crossings?"

I simply asked if the 2,100 Nat. Guardsmen, ICE and Border Patrol agents aren't enough to ensure the migrants will cross where the asylum petitions are accepted........and then you spew "that's not what I'm saying" crap.

So what you're actually saying is that the Fed. troops are there to do what exactly? If they cross the border illegally, the families most assuredly will be broken up with their kids taken away.....that's already a fact.

The migrants have to appear at specific crossing points to even begin the application process for asylum, so why the need for the additional 15K Federal troops?
Ok I misunderstood. Yes that's exactly what I'm saying.
 

Vic

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The caravan is now so fearsome that Trump just announced that up to 15k troops will be there to play with det cord and maybe play volleyball.
Wasting our hard earned tax dollars on an election publicity stunt. Typical.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I found out about this tonight. This is an official threat assessment of the fearsome Caravan of Satan.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5026468/SWB-Operations-TWG-27OCT18.pdf

Key points-
  • Immigrants are 800 to 2000 miles away from potential entry depending on the route taken.
  • Expected number reaching the borders is about 1400 people due to attrition.
  • There will be no terrorists
  • Criminal presence is of little to no serious consequence
The greatest threat to the operation is projected to be theft of equipment by militia roaming the border.

There is no military operational reason to be moving people now, it is an expense which draws from legitimate actions and the presence of troops is of little to no value in terms of border protection.


Even the military know the whole thing is a farce.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Pres. Trump Says Rocks Thrown by Migrants "Will Be Considered" Firearms

I saw a good ten minutes of that performance of his today.

Lord Thunderin' Jesus this guy's full of shit. And his rally-ish slamming of Dems in the middle of a Presidential Speech was beyond the Pale. Why people don't see through this guy's lies eludes me entirely. Same planet, different worlds

Trump can consider them invaders from Mars. The military cannot fire upon civilians who can't reach them with rocks anyway. The troops would need to move back if stoned, so to speak. If Trump orders them to stand and shoot he will have violated established law in a huge way and once the Dems take the House they can shove it down the throat of Senate Republicans.
 

fskimospy

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We should all remember that federal troops are explicitly barred from engaging in ANY law enforcement functions. Any at all.

They will be file clerks and motor pool people. It’s a colossal waste of money.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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We should all remember that federal troops are explicitly barred from engaging in ANY law enforcement functions. Any at all.

They will be file clerks and motor pool people. It’s a colossal waste of money.


Trump may not care about the law. After all, he has power over the Constitution itself, well according to him. If he gives illegal orders what a cluster that would be.
 
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