Another migrant caravan heading for the USA ...

[Joseph Combs]

Its my name, what does that say about my character?

 

[Joseph Combs]

Your opinion. And you probably got that from CNN or MSNBC.

 

[Joseph Combs]

The Foundation for Trouble-making sounds like something the Chinese government spokespeople would come up with.

When you are digging ditches for the Chinese we will see how much you laugh.

 

[IronWing]

Its my name, what does that say about my character?

Well, if it is your name, then I'll drop it.

 

[IronWing]

Your opinion. And you probably got that from CNN or MSNBC.

Which opinion?

 

[soundforbjt]

Your opinion. And you probably got that from CNN or MSNBC.

IF you're responding to the quote I made regarding Gaetz's tweet, it came from a conservative site.

Link: https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/s...ly-showing-people-paid-join-honduran-caravan/

 

[Jhhnn]

IF you're responding to the quote I made regarding Gaetz's tweet, it came from a conservative site.

Link: https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/s...ly-showing-people-paid-join-honduran-caravan/

It's the kind of total lameness that only conservatives could possibly believe. It's more likely that the guy is handing out tickets to an event.

The whole premise is ridiculous.

 

[Viper1j]

The article provides a quote from the organizer of the caravan: “What Trump says doesn’t interest us. These people are fleeing. These people are not tourists.” Does this not sound like an entitlement statement? Whether you love/hate Trump, the country has immigration laws and the entry of a person into the country without a valid Visa is illegal. What's your take ... and are you prepared for another influx?

Sure about that?

https://www.htlweb.com/blog/2017/07...en-unlawful-presence-and-improper-entry.shtml

The difference between unlawful presence and improper entry

On behalf of Taylor Lee & Associates LLC posted in US Immigration Law on Friday, July 21, 2017.

In the United States, in the eyes of immigration officials, while illegal immigration is unlawful, an immigrant's unlawful presence is not. There is a clear delineation between the two categories and depending on which one you fall into, potential benefits and consequences associated with each.

As for improper entry, it perhaps the most common type of immigration crime. It is also considered to be a misdemeanor under United States law.

There are one of three conditions that must be met in order to charge someone with this crime. An individual who tries to enter the country at a place or time other than one previously designated by an immigration official is said to have violated federal law. Similarly, any individual who somehow is successful in avoiding inspection or questioning by immigration might also be seen as having violated this law.

In another instance, any person who either makes an attempt to physically enter the country or perhaps be smuggled into it may also be deemed to have violated this law. Finally, any individual who voluntarily falsifies, conceals or otherwise misrepresents facts used to make immigration decisions might be held on improper entry charges as well.

Those who violate improper entry laws can face as much as six months in jail and up to $250 in fines per attempted entry.

When it comes to the concept of unlawful presence, an individual does not have to necessarily enter the country improperly in order to be here unlawfully. Instead, an individual may have entered the country legally, yet overstayed the expiration date on his or her visa.

While an individual's unlawful presence is not considered a criminal offense in this country, it is a violation of the terms you agreed to when you applied and received your visa. You may be required to pay civil penalties or fines for having overstayed it.

You also might be subject to detention and deportation from the country as well. If you overstay your visa, you might also face difficulties in renewing your visa or getting a new one issued to you in the future.

If you have either illegally entered the country or have overstayed your visa and you're facing incarceration, deportation or substantial fines, then a Norcross, Georgia, immigration attorney might be able to help.

Funny how the fine for DUI is considerably higher huh?

 

[soundforbjt]

Sure about that?

https://www.htlweb.com/blog/2017/07...en-unlawful-presence-and-improper-entry.shtml

The difference between unlawful presence and improper entry

On behalf of Taylor Lee & Associates LLC posted in US Immigration Law on Friday, July 21, 2017.

In the United States, in the eyes of immigration officials, while illegal immigration is unlawful, an immigrant's unlawful presence is not. There is a clear delineation between the two categories and depending on which one you fall into, potential benefits and consequences associated with each.

As for improper entry, it perhaps the most common type of immigration crime. It is also considered to be a misdemeanor under United States law.

There are one of three conditions that must be met in order to charge someone with this crime. An individual who tries to enter the country at a place or time other than one previously designated by an immigration official is said to have violated federal law. Similarly, any individual who somehow is successful in avoiding inspection or questioning by immigration might also be seen as having violated this law.

In another instance, any person who either makes an attempt to physically enter the country or perhaps be smuggled into it may also be deemed to have violated this law. Finally, any individual who voluntarily falsifies, conceals or otherwise misrepresents facts used to make immigration decisions might be held on improper entry charges as well.

Those who violate improper entry laws can face as much as six months in jail and up to $250 in fines per attempted entry.

When it comes to the concept of unlawful presence, an individual does not have to necessarily enter the country improperly in order to be here unlawfully. Instead, an individual may have entered the country legally, yet overstayed the expiration date on his or her visa.

While an individual's unlawful presence is not considered a criminal offense in this country, it is a violation of the terms you agreed to when you applied and received your visa. You may be required to pay civil penalties or fines for having overstayed it.

You also might be subject to detention and deportation from the country as well. If you overstay your visa, you might also face difficulties in renewing your visa or getting a new one issued to you in the future.

If you have either illegally entered the country or have overstayed your visa and you're facing incarceration, deportation or substantial fines, then a Norcross, Georgia, immigration attorney might be able to help.

Funny how the fine for DUI is considerably higher huh?

He abandoned the thread right after starting it.

 

[Vic]

No, just use common sense instead of acting like idiots. But, I guess common sense isn't so common these days.

How do you expect your "common sense" to be enforced?

 

[feralkid]

People with children have other family members. I just want to avoid the fiascos of the past. You know how this is gonna play out.

We all know.

 

[sportage]

Well.... none of us actually live in those countries so we don't know if these migrants are really threatened and actually running for their lives, or exactly what ?
If the migrants were and in fact are endangered then naturally they would bring along there children.
Wouldn't you, if your child was in real danger within your homeland ???
Wouldn't you as a parent take your child and escape for the sake of your child's safety?
Thing is, we really don't know their true motivation.
We can only speculate.

And god knows Donald Trump is not going to give us the truth, which I am sure Donald Trump knows the entire truth concerning these migrants because after all... HE IS THE PRESIDENT.
And as president, Donald should have all the resources at his fingertips to know exactly what is actually going on over within those countries the migrants are fleeing from.
Trump knows.
He knows. But.... would he ever admit it or tell us the actual truth?
Being his base would never accept their leader telling them THE TRUTH, for gods sake.
NEVER NEVER NEVER.....

So.... are these migrants fleeing to the US from life threatening danger within their homeland, or not?
And it does appear that they are using the children as a prop to gain sympathy and gain entrance into the US.
It "appears" that way, that is if they are not in real danger and only wish for American citizenship.
But if they are in real life threatening danger, then everything they are doing and risking makes perfect sense.

Sad part is, WE AS AMERICANS are so isolated from the outside world that we would never know the true dangers going on within those foreign countries.
How could we? Who would tell us?
And WE as isolated anal Americans would never know why the migrants are fleeing their homeland.
WE as Americans only hear what Fox News wants us to hear, filtered thru what Donald Trump wants his base to hear.

So I guess if we REALLY care and if we REALLY want to know the truth and the facts, we'll just have to travel down there to those countries on our own and find out the truth for ourselves.
Until then, none of us REALLY have an ounce of knowledge to go by in giving our 2 cents worth.
All we can do is either take the migrants at their word, or believe what Donald Trump feeds us.
And remember.... Trump knows the ruth.
He knows.
But none of us knows the truth. And probably never will.....

 

[Viper1j]

It would send an awesome message if every single immigrant working at all Trump properties just quit en masse, and told him to mop his own fvcking floors.

 

[TeeJay1952]

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

 

[Svnla]

Peaceful you say?

Mexican immigration officials say activist Irineo Mujica, who has dual U.S. and Mexican citizenship, is accused of property damage and resisting arrest.

A statement from the officials says that Mujica attacked immigration agents, as well as local and federal police, after he was asked for his identification as he gathered foreigners for a protest.

Edgar Corzo, a representative of Mexico's National Human Rights Commission, who is in Ciudad Hidalgo, says police are accusing Mujica of slashing the tires on an immigration agency vehicle.

Rules and laws are for suckers, eh?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/latest-trump-threatens-close-border-over-caravan-131654202.html

 

[soundforbjt]

Peaceful you say?



Rules and laws are for suckers, eh?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/latest-trump-threatens-close-border-over-caravan-131654202.html

Innocent till proven guilty, isn't that what Trump says?

 

[darkswordsman17]

Its my name, what does that say about my character?

Considering a google of that name pops up news stories about a rapist...

 

[dud]

He abandoned the thread right after starting it.

That bastard ...

Actually, the real reason I started this thread was to learn all I could about immigration law because I knew that I could learn more much faster by posting here and allowing the internet lawyers to interject ... than paying eleventy billion dollars (and untold number of years) to go to Harvard Law.

 

[Jhhnn]

Conservatives don't really think straight about immigration in general.

That bastard ...

Actually, the real reason I started this thread was to learn all I could about immigration law because I knew that I could learn more much faster by posting here and allowing the internet lawyers to interject ... than paying eleventy billion dollars (and untold number of years) to go to Harvard Law.

So, uhh, just trolling, right?

 

[dud]

Conservatives don't really think straight about immigration in general.


So, uhh, just trolling, right?

No, actually. According to Gallup, immigration/illegal aliens is the #2 issue mid-term election issue (non-economic). I thought that members might find it interesting that an organized group of thousands of people are moving north toward our southern border with the intent of entering the country. I also thought, perhaps foolishly, that they might want to talk about it.

I am a centrist and find it disturbing how conservative AND liberal Americans classify one another. Your post just reinforces the fact that many people cannot accept the fact that others might not agree with them. In that case we must insult them and classify them as morons. "Conservatives don't really think straight about immigration in general." Really? I've heard similar descriptions about Jews, blacks, etc. throughout history.

Really?

 

[umbrella39]

When I hear someone pretending Republicans are the ones who want secure borders I always get a good chuckle...

I get a better laugh when folks pretend that only a Republican POTUS would try and stop them. That black Muslim would have let them right in... (the best impression of a GOP strawman I could muster)...

Record-High 75% of Americans Say Immigration Is Good Thing

https://news.gallup.com/poll/235793/record-high-americans-say-immigration-good-thing.aspx

... and I don't for one second think we should let them in. They can stay in Mexico and we can offer assistance if need be.

 

[Jhhnn]

No, actually. According to Gallup, immigration/illegal aliens is the #2 issue mid-term election issue (non-economic). I thought that members might find it interesting that an organized group of thousands of people are moving north toward our southern border with the intent of entering the country. I also thought, perhaps foolishly, that they might want to talk about it.

I am a centrist and find it disturbing how conservative AND liberal Americans classify one another. Your post just reinforces the fact that many people cannot accept the fact that others might not agree with them. In that case we must insult them and classify them as morons. "Conservatives don't really think straight about immigration in general." Really? I've heard similar descriptions about Jews, blacks, etc. throughout history.

Really?

#143 is outright trolling. This post isn't any better. It's the "You're the real racists!" routine.

I was being generous when I put it in terms of not thinking straight. People can change, of course, particularly when they have the courage to examine what they believe. A lot of pretty decent people have been badly propagandized over immigration.

So let's get real, start from some facts. According to Pew, there are ~11M illegals in this country. That's down from nearly 13M in 2008. 2/3 of them have been here more than 10 years. They're not leaving & I doubt they'll be deported en mass, either. They're as much a part of America as any legal immigrant who's been here as long. They work & pay taxes like everybody else. Their kids, often American citizens, go to school with our kids & they depend on their parents just like all kids. They've been paying some heavy dues for years.

They're concentrated in several large metro areas, for the most part. There are ~1M in Greater LA, ~10% of the population. There are several 100K in greater Houston, for example, & evenn more in the NYC area. They all live in fear of La Migra. It's a serious challenge for local law enforcement to gain their cooperation. That's why CA is a sanctuary state. They need the help of all the residents to maintain the Peace, prosecute the criminals & protect everybody.

None of that applies to the people who generally live where there are few immigrants of any kind, of course, but they seem to be the ones who rave about it the loudest. If I say "Amnesty" we'll have to peel them off the ceiling, as if it would affect their lives in the slightest. That's fucked up. We need to make peace with ourselves over what happened during the Clinton & Bush years, find ways to enhance domestic tranquillity, not tear it down.

 

[compcons]

Real refugees .... not ones paid for by George Soros and the Democratic Party.

This made me laugh out loud. For real.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Hey OP, are you ignorant of legal asylum?

Honest opinion here - but if you are "seeking asylum" then crossing 5 countries to the one of your choosing isn't asylum.

Asylum is going to the nearest safe place to rid yourself of domestic-based dangers - of which there are plenty of reasonably safe ones throughout South America - and likely plenty within that same country.

Ignorance is not an excuse. If you want to immigrate legally, be honest. Claiming asylum and crossing 5 borders is fucking hilariously stupid. You're asinine if you call that asylum.

 

[sandorski]

Reality is in the eye of the beholder .....

So why are you arguing that Others are wrong?