Another milestone in Iraq

BBond

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I'm posting this because most of the bushlovers here want all the rest of us to forget there is even a war going on in Iraq. Tell that to the American soldiers who are cycled through the meat grinder of Iraq time and time again.

Another milestone reached and exceeded in Iraq.

Soon the number of dead American troops in bush's unprovoked invasion and occupation will exceed the number of Americans killed on September 11th, which BTW Iraq had NOTHING to do with.

2,601

And all for a lie told by a fool.

 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: BBond
I'm posting this because most of the bushlovers here want all the rest of us to forget there is even a war going on in Iraq. Tell that to the American soldiers who are cycled through the meat grinder of Iraq time and time again.

Another milestone reached and exceeded in Iraq.

Soon the number of dead American troops in bush's unprovoked invasion and occupation will exceed the number of Americans killed on September 11th, which BTW Iraq had NOTHING to do with.

2,601

And all for a lie told by a fool.

Thankfully that number is still low. I do not support the war, but the number is low in comparrision to other wars.
 

marvdmartian

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While I mourn alongside the families that have lost a loved one in this conflict, I'm just glad to say that at least that number is over a 3+ year time frame, not a yearly number (not the way that LBJ's Vietnam escalation had thousands dying every year for many, many years!!).

While you may or may not think we should be in Iraq, at least support the troops. They deserve it! I couldn't believe my eyes when I read in another thread here (in P&N) that someone referred to our army/military personnel as "thugs". Geez, people like that need a fresh dose of reality, without thier personal BS thrown in!
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: BBond
I'm posting this because most of the bushlovers here want all the rest of us to forget there is even a war going on in Iraq. Tell that to the American soldiers who are cycled through the meat grinder of Iraq time and time again.

Another milestone reached and exceeded in Iraq.

Soon the number of dead American troops in bush's unprovoked invasion and occupation will exceed the number of Americans killed on September 11th, which BTW Iraq had NOTHING to do with.

2,601

And all for a lie told by a fool.

Thankfully that number is still low. I do not support the war, but the number is low in comparrision to other wars.

Tell that to the 2,601 dead troops.

Originally posted by: marvdmartian
While I mourn alongside the families that have lost a loved one in this conflict, I'm just glad to say that at least that number is over a 3+ year time frame, not a yearly number (not the way that LBJ's Vietnam escalation had thousands dying every year for many, many years!!).

While you may or may not think we should be in Iraq, at least support the troops. They deserve it! I couldn't believe my eyes when I read in another thread here (in P&N) that someone referred to our army/military personnel as "thugs". Geez, people like that need a fresh dose of reality, without thier personal BS thrown in!

Instead of bringing comments made in other threads into this thread please point out anyone in this thread who said anything that could be construed as not supporting the troops.

The only people who aren't supporting the troops are the cynical war profiteering bastards who sent the troops to Iraq in the first place and continue to send the same troops back over there for three and four tours because they failed to plan for the aftermath of their lies.
 

Witling

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The rate of American deaths in Iraq is lower than in Vietnam mostly because the environment in Iraq is much more conducive to a modern technological army. If Iraq were covered in jungle, the death count would be much higher.
 

13Gigatons

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Of course the 65,000 wounded are never counted or talked about in the media.
 

Doboji

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Originally posted by: BBond
I'm posting this because most of the bushlovers here want all the rest of us to forget there is even a war going on in Iraq. Tell that to the American soldiers who are cycled through the meat grinder of Iraq time and time again.

Another milestone reached and exceeded in Iraq.

Soon the number of dead American troops in bush's unprovoked invasion and occupation will exceed the number of Americans killed on September 11th, which BTW Iraq had NOTHING to do with.

2,601

And all for a lie told by a fool.

It is good that war is so terrible lest we learn to like it too much.

War sucks... I support the War in Iraq.
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: marvdmartian
While I mourn alongside the families that have lost a loved one in this conflict, I'm just glad to say that at least that number is over a 3+ year time frame, not a yearly number (not the way that LBJ's Vietnam escalation had thousands dying every year for many, many years!!).

While you may or may not think we should be in Iraq, at least support the troops. They deserve it! I couldn't believe my eyes when I read in another thread here (in P&N) that someone referred to our army/military personnel as "thugs". Geez, people like that need a fresh dose of reality, without thier personal BS thrown in!


Well.. I've not commented recently on the criminal element with in the military society in any war venue other than maybe to opine on the acts themselves... I liken them to criminals anywhere they are a statistical reality. Thugs is a decent or kind term for the behavior alleged in many illegal instances. That they may have the issues in Iraq as the stimuli for illegal acts is partly mitigating but none the less if an act is illegal let us call it such and the perpetrators are criminal.. they are not acting in or reflective of the Military but, rather, acting (if true) like the Thugs they are...
 
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Originally posted by: LunarRay
Originally posted by: marvdmartian
While I mourn alongside the families that have lost a loved one in this conflict, I'm just glad to say that at least that number is over a 3+ year time frame, not a yearly number (not the way that LBJ's Vietnam escalation had thousands dying every year for many, many years!!).

While you may or may not think we should be in Iraq, at least support the troops. They deserve it! I couldn't believe my eyes when I read in another thread here (in P&N) that someone referred to our army/military personnel as "thugs". Geez, people like that need a fresh dose of reality, without thier personal BS thrown in!


Well.. I've not commented recently on the criminal element with in the military society in any war venue other than maybe to opine on the acts themselves... I liken them to criminals anywhere they are a statistical reality. Thugs is a decent or kind term for the behavior alleged in many illegal instances. That they may have the issues in Iraq as the stimuli for illegal acts is partly mitigating but none the less if an act is illegal let us call it such and the perpetrators are criminal.. they are not acting in or reflective of the Military but, rather, acting (if true) like the Thugs they are...

Quoted for comment later...
 

tommywishbone

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Mission accomplished. george bush killed every single one of these people. Every single one.

U.S. troops among nearly 50 dead in Iraq
By ROBERT H. REID, Associated Press Writer
39 minutes ago, Sunday, August 13, 2006.

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Police found a dozen bodies trapped in a grate in the Tigris River, and a roadside bomb killed two U.S. soldiers on a foot patrol south of Baghdad Saturday as nearly 50 violent deaths were reported across Iraq.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki banned a Kurdish extremist party from operating in Baghdad in a move seen largely as a gesture to Turkey, which had threatened to send troops across the border to destroy the group's bases in northern Iraq.

Also Saturday, a state commission said nearly 40 top officials of the past two governments have been ordered to appear in court to answer allegations of corruption. They include former ministers of defense, labor and electricity, the commission said.

The 12 bodies were found in Suwayrah, 25 miles south of Baghdad, at one of a series of metal grates fixed in the river to block debris, Mamoun al-Rubaie of the Kut city morgue said.

All were men between 35 and 45 years old and had been bound, blindfolded and shot in the head or chest, al-Rubaie said. They appeared to have been the victims of sectarian death squads that operate in the religiously mixed communities in the Baghdad area.

Police also found 15 other bullet-riddled bodies of men who had been handcuffed and blindfolded in six neighborhoods throughout the Baghdad area, police Lt. Mohammed Khayoun said.

Another 21 people were killed Saturday, mostly in Baghdad but also in Hillah, Mosul and Basra.

The roiling violence, especially between Sunni and Shiite Muslims in the Baghdad area, has alarmed U.S. commanders, prompting them to order nearly 12,000 more American and Iraqi soldiers into the capital.

The United States currently has about 32,400 troops in Baghdad and areas south of the capital ? of which about 13,500 are in the city proper, Maj. Gen. James Thurman said Saturday.

U.S. and Iraqi officials have said the reinforcements will focus on about four neighborhoods where Sunni residents do not trust the Shiite-dominated Iraqi security forces.

Nevertheless, Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said he would not rule out significant U.S. troop reductions this year. Pace, who arrived in Baghdad on Saturday, said such a decision would depend on improvements in the security situation and would come after consultations with U.S. commanders in Iraq.

As part of the renewed security crackdown, the U.S. military Saturday said that 60 men had been rounded up the day before at a funeral in the southern Arab Jabour neighborhood, a mostly Sunni district.

The 60 were believed to include members of an al-Qaida-affiliated cell that "specializes in bomb making" and carried out car bomb attacks in the capital, a U.S. statement said. Women and children at the funeral were separated from the men and the arrests were made without incident, the statement said without giving any details.

"The group has been reported to be planning and conducting training for future attacks," it said. "Multiple forms of credible intelligence led the assault force to the location, later determined to be a funeral gathering, where the suspects were detained."

Late Saturday, Iraqi state television announced that 16 "terrorists" had been arrested for allegedly exploding a dozen car bombs in Baghdad and plotting to assassinate relatives of the prime minister in his hometown near Karbala.

The independent Commission for Public Integrity said the corruption allegations had been filed against 39 top officials in the governments of former prime ministers Ayad Allawi and Ibrahim al-Jaafari, according to the commission's spokesman, Ali Shabbout.

Shabbout said the officials include ex-Defense Minister Hazem Shaalan and former Labor Minister Laila Abdul Latif, both of whom served in the Allawi government, and Abdul Muhsin Shalash, the electricity minister under al-Jaafari.

Some have fled the country, but Abdul Latif was released on bail, Shabbout said.

In a brief statement, the government said al-Maliki had banned the Kurdistan Workers Party, a rebel group fighting for autonomy in southeastern Turkey, from operating in Baghdad. Al-Maliki told Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan of the order during a telephone conversation Saturday, the statement said.

It was unclear whether the order would have significant effect on the party, known by its acronym PKK, which is not known to have a major operation in Baghdad. The party has been fighting Turkish forces since 1984 and is considered a terrorist organization by Turkey, the United States and the European Union.

The PKK operates clandestine bases in the Kurdish-self ruled provinces of northern Iraq, where central government authority is limited.

Last month, Erdogan said Turkey was moving forward with plans to send troops into northern Iraq to attack PKK bases but was holding talks with the United States and Iraq in an attempt to defuse tensions.

In an interview with the New York Times published Saturday, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad, said Iran was encouraging Shiite militias to step up attacks on U.S. forces in retaliation for the Israeli assault on Hezbollah in Lebanon. The Shiite Hezbollah is backed by Iran.

Privately, some senior U.S. officials are skeptical the Iranian government is doing more than providing money to select Shiite groups. Others insist Iran is providing weapons and training to some Shiite factions.

End story-------------

The freak show continues, and we sit here as cowards. We're all a disgrace.

 

Red Dawn

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Fortunately the survival rate of our Soldiers wounded in Iraq is much higher than in Vietnam due to advanced medical procedures and the ability to get them treatment faster or the death toll would be much higher.

I support out troops but I do not support our asshole President's excellent adventure ion Iraq. He's the worse thing to happen to America since 9/11.
 

tommywishbone

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There seems to be quite a few freedom haters over there. Bring'em on!

3 explosions in Iraq kill 20, wound 70 1 hour, 24 minutes ago, Sunday, August 13, 2006.

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Three successive explosions killed 20 people and wounded more than 70 Sunday night in a mostly Shiite neighborhood in southern Baghdad, police said. The first blast occurred about 7:15 p.m. (11:15 a.m. EDT) when a rocket struck an apartment building in the Zafraniyah neighborhood, police Lt. Thaer Mahmoud said. ENT

About 10 minutes later, a car bomb exploded as police and bystanders rushed to the scene, he said. A bomb strapped to a motorcycle went off in the same area minutes later, he said.

First reports said eight people were killed in the rocket attack and 12 in the two other blasts, he said, adding that more than 70 were wounded.

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Those elections sure were helpful. Thanks george.



 

darkhorror

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How many total deaths have there been for the us military in Iraq, not just combat but from other things? Also how many people have we had in Iraq each year?
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: darkhorror
How many total deaths have there been for the us military in Iraq, not just combat but from other things? Also how many people have we had in Iraq each year?
Here's one count:


Casualties in Iraq
The Human Cost of Occupation
Edited by Michael Ewens :: Contact
American Military Casualties in Iraq

Date ................................................................ Total ..... In Combat

American Deaths


Since war began (3/19/03): ........................ 2600 ....... 2106
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03) ... 2463 ....... 2007
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03):....... 2133 ....... 1799
Since Handover (6/29/04): .......................... 1734 ....... 1474
Since Election (1/31/05):.............................. 1164......... 989

American Wounded ................................. Official .... Estimated

Total Wounded: .......................................... 19270 .... 20000 - 48100

Latest Fatality August 12th, 2006

Page last updated 08/12/06 1:09 pm EDT

US Military Deaths by Month
 

tommywishbone

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Note to self... When stealing the oil, leave some for the other people. Freedom don't require no oil.


Iraqi has worst fuel shortage since '03 By RAWYA RAGEH, Associated Press Writer, Sun Aug 13, 4:28 PM ET, Monday, August 14, 2006.

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Under a scorching sun, Baghdad taxi driver Sameer Abdul Razzaq wraps a wet towel around his head and waits for gasoline in a line stretching a mile. "I've been here since 6 a.m.," he said Sunday. "If I'm lucky, I'll get to the end of the line by sunset. I actually think I might end up spending the night here."

This is the capital of what should be one of the world's great oil producers, but corruption and insurgent attacks have Iraqis mired in their worst fuel shortage since Saddam Hussein was ousted, with black market gasoline costing as much as $4 a gallon.

The official price is $1 a gallon, but the fuel is often unavailable, forcing most Iraqi drivers to shell out the higher price to streetside vendors or wait in long lines at gas stations.

The shortage affects other petroleum products too. A cylinder of cooking gas costs about $18 on the black market ? double the price a few months ago.

All that causes ripple effects that compound problems facing an Iraqi public weary of bloodshed, sectarian strife, the presence of U.S.-led forces and the government's inability to restore peace.

Taxi drivers have quadrupled their fares. Higher delivery costs for food and other essentials are passed on to consumers ? many already living on the margin.

"We're going to switch to a small kerosene stove instead," housewife Amaal Ahmed Jabbar said after paying premium prices for cooking fuel.

The irony is especially bitter in a country that sits atop the world's third-largest proven petroleum reserves. Iraq's estimated 115 billion barrels are exceeded in the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries only by Saudi Arabia and Iran.

Iraq has been plagued by periodic fuel shortages since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion. But the current crisis comes amid higher demand for fuel to power generators and air-condition homes and offices, with summer temperatures topping 115 degrees.

The shortage is so bad that even a gas station inside the Green Zone, home of major Iraqi government offices and the U.S. Embassy, ran out of fuel Sunday afternoon.

The government blames the problem on insurgent attacks on pipelines and other infrastructure, which snarl the distribution system.

"I realize that people are really suffering from the lack of energy and electricity," President Jalal Talabani said Sunday. "But this is not the fault of the government ... terrorists have blown up many power stations as well as the pipeline" that delivers crude oil from the northern fields around Kirkuk to the main refinery in Beiji, 155 miles north of Baghdad.

The Beiji facility had a prewar capacity to refine 2 million to 2.25 million gallons of gasoline a day. It is now producing less than 260,000 gallons of gasoline a day, Oil Ministry spokesman Assem Jihad said, citing electricity shortages and threats to refinery operators as the main sources of the problem.

Last week, the main oil storage facility in Latifiyah, about 20 miles south of Baghdad, had to shut down after workers received death threats.

More than 250 Oil Ministry officials, workers and security guards have been killed since the collapse of the previous regime, according to the ministry.

The U.S. Energy Information Administration estimated that 315 major attacks have struck pipelines, electricity plants and other energy infrastructure between April 2003 and June.

The attacks have left the country struggling to restore oil production to prewar levels of about 2.5 million to 3 million barrels a day. As of May, production stood at about 1.9 million barrels a day, U.S. officials said.

The International Relations and Security Network, a Swiss group that promotes exchanges of information among security professionals, also blamed widespread corruption within the Oil Ministry.

Last year, 450 Oil Ministry employees were fired for illegally selling oil and petroleum products. In an April report, the Oil Ministry's inspector general Ali al-Alaak estimated about $4 billion worth of petroleum products were smuggled out of Iraq last year, including gasoline and crude oil siphoned from pipelines.

All that has added to the deep sense of pessimism among Iraqis.

"The ministers are busy with one thing only, and that is touring the world as we wallow here in the Middle Ages," said lawyer Ahmed Mohammed Ali, 55. "Everyday I take a container to the gas station to get some fuel to run my generator. It takes me up to five hours and sometimes all I get is humiliation by the security personnel in charge of the station."

Last month, Iraq's Oil Minister Hussain al-Shahristani predicted that Iraq's oil production would double over the next four years to 4 million barrels a day ? a forecast that some petroleum experts thought was overly optimistic.

Hassan al-Jubouri, who runs a ceramics workshop, says he's going broke.

"My workshop is closed because I cannot run the generator," he said. "My family is without a source of living due to this shortage."

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daveshel

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Originally posted by: marvdmartian
While I mourn alongside the families that have lost a loved one in this conflict, I'm just glad to say that at least that number is over a 3+ year time frame, not a yearly number (not the way that LBJ's Vietnam escalation had thousands dying every year for many, many years!!).

While you may or may not think we should be in Iraq, at least support the troops. They deserve it! I couldn't believe my eyes when I read in another thread here (in P&N) that someone referred to our army/military personnel as "thugs". Geez, people like that need a fresh dose of reality, without thier personal BS thrown in!

I support the troops with my tax dollars and with my protests to get them out if Iraq. I will never support the notion that they should be there nor the decision to send them there.
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: Witling
The rate of American deaths in Iraq is lower than in Vietnam mostly because the environment in Iraq is much more conducive to a modern technological army. If Iraq were covered in jungle, the death count would be much higher.


Miltitary medical advancements have also drastically lowered the fatality rate.
Lessons learned and triage work are saving an additional 75% who would have
been lost during the Veitnam conflict.
Were it not for the advancements we would be somewhat over 7,500 KIA by now,
but as it stands those unreported casualties are mained and crippled for life,
some beyond being a useful or functional being.

 

Witling

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I acknowledge medical advances. BUT, in Iraq there aren't nearly as many opportunities to set up an ambush. It's pretty much set them up in the urban environment or forget it. Second, since there's no place to hid in the countryside, incoming rescue helos don't have to worry nearly as much about being brought down.
 

LunarRay

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Well Iraqi folks aren't as well armed as the VC or NVA... I mean Feb/'68 showed us a bit about capability.
The troops have better BP Vests... etc.. I don't know what a camouflage shirt is suppose to stop.. but it sure ain't much..

All in all I've to agree that IF I had to be in a war zone.. I'd take Iraq over Vietnam...
I still recall the AR15 and even the M16 jamming all the time.. well ok.. put 2 less in the clip and the changes did the trick.. but that must be scary.. Snakes and Tigers... oh my.. Nope... Iraq would be my choice...

Edit: I should add that it is obvious at least to me that Iraqi Army is non existent so the death count is lower but even if it was an Army we were against... our superior weaponry and air superiority would limit the deaths 100 fold.. 1000 fold as compared to VN. We can employ them better in Iraq than in VN... All aspects of waring in Iraq go to the US in this case..
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: LunarRay
Well Iraqi folks aren't as well armed as the VC or NVA... I mean Feb/'68 showed us a bit about capability.
The troops have better BP Vests... etc.. I don't know what a camouflage shirt is suppose to stop.. but it sure ain't much..

All in all I've to agree that IF I had to be in a war zone.. I'd take Iraq over Vietnam...
I still recall the AR15 and even the M16 jamming all the time.. well ok.. put 2 less in the clip and the changes did the trick.. but that must be scary.. Snakes and Tigers... oh my.. Nope... Iraq would be my choice...

Edit: I should add that it is obvious at least to me that Iraqi Army is non existent so the death count is lower but even if it was an Army we were against... our superior weaponry and air superiority would limit the deaths 100 fold.. 1000 fold as compared to VN. We can employ them better in Iraq than in VN... All aspects of waring in Iraq go to the US in this case..

My son, who is in his second tour in Iraq, and I have compared notes about our perspectives of view in these wars.
He thinks that I had a tougher time and was in a more intense and dangerous situation,
while I think he has the tougher position.

I guess that no matter what you perceive from your historical point of view, the cut to the chase comes down to one thing . . .

'being there'.

Only an individual who has been through a specific experience can even relate to that experience,
outside observation does not serve to convey a sense of danger or urgency.

 

2Xtreme21

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"Only 2601? C'mon that's nothing compared to WWI or WWII!"
- Neo-con apologist.

Everytime I hear that it makes my blood boil. A life is a f*cking life. Anyone who even remotely thinks otherwise should strap himself (or better yet his sons or daughters) in a pair of combat boots and GTFO of America. Then when he's (they're) dead we can just chalk him (them) up on a statistics comparison chart. It's okay though, that's what he'd want... right?
 
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