Another outside view of the Florida recount and election

[NicColt]

I'm from Canada, and I have no interest in your election but let's look at it for a sec. first you have the Florida Gov. who's name is Bush and his brother, and the Secretary of State has worked on Bush's campaing and works for Gov. Bush. There are clauses that dictate that recounts can take effect and even the courts have indicated that recounts can proceed. and there's even a court date for the supreme court this Friday. With nearly 6 million votes casted in Florida and a diff or about 500. My question is how in the world can you just say the heck with it and just say give bush the victory? Doesn't the 100million or so voters deserve a better and accurate count of the votes? how can you stand there and accept the certification on such a close count by someone who is clearly biased. If there are counties that want to do a recount, should'nt the will and intent of the people who have a right to vote outway action to biassly declare a victor. There is no rush in this matter, and what is the rush. The electoral vote is on Dec. 18th. why not let the countys appropriate time to give an accurate count of the vote. I just don't get you people.

 

[Stallion]

Just my perspective...We voted on the 7th and the votes were counted. Then recounted. then dumb as..I mean Gore wanted a hand count. so while Bush didn't they went ahead with the hand count anyway. They wouldn't be done in time to meet the 1 week deadline so the gores went to FSC to get the date moved. So the SC (6 dems, 1 Ind) said ok, you have till Sun the 26th. They still couldn't finish so now gore wants to go back to court to get more time.

Where in the hell does it end. He went to the Supreme court,they gave him more time now he wants more? Screw him.

I'm not privy to all the facts like some here but I know enough to understand that gore is "hunting" for ballots. All most 3 weeks has passed and he still is behind in the count. That Rat Bastard is wasting time and money.

Ballots have been counted,re-counted,hand counted, inspected for chads and voter intent dimples and he is still not got the number of votes to pass Bush.

Don't you think it is BS that he wants to keep counting till he gets the lead?

Do you think gore gives a crap if BillyBob Shoemaker of 1234 South street, PBC has his vote counted? He isn't worried about everyones vote, just the ones that will put him in the lead.

 

[Drachnyan]

only problem with that is the fact that a lot of the votes got thrown out, miscounted, ignored. Or (my personal fav) the recounts wern't finished by the time-limit so they took what they had, and went from there. The presidential inauguration isn't for a few months yet, what's the rush?

 

[Zucchini]

That biased #@% didn't take the disgression to give the counties another 2 hours to finish their hand counts. This "official" announcement includes the initial count, not the hand count. She couldn't have been anymore unfair.

 

[Stallion]

Unfair? the SC said Sunday at 5pm. So at 5pm she called it. I heard they (pbc) didn't count on Thanksgiving. If you knew you had to get something done at a particular time and that the SoS probably woundn't take late counts don't you think you would of been counting on Thanksgiving? They choose to take a day off and they missed the cut, end of story.

You snooze,you lose. Simple as that.

 

[Fathom5]

Give it up. Gore lost the first count. Gore lost the re-count. Gore lost the re-counted recount. How long should they let them re-count. The FSC set the time limit. the SoS only upheld the limit. Now all the democrats are going to whine and cry that after almost 3 weeks they still haven't had enough time! Gimme a break.

He looks like an ass that is going to try and litigate his way into the White House.

Be a man Al and admit when you've lost for christ's sake. For the good of the country you've dragged out enongh re-counts and still can't get the number you need.

 

[veryape]

For the record,all the votes have NEVER been counted. I agree with Nicolt. There is far too much bias going on in Florida. If they were fairly counted at least once,I think Gore would win easily and if he did not he would concede. And as David Bois just said on Today,Gore is ahead if just what has been already counted was added in. And where did thoses 100 votes magically appear from in Nassau County?

 

[Zucchini]

Stallion,

Where are you getting your information because it seems to be highly selective Yes they took a day off from counting, but only because they were in court trying to figure out the fair way to count ballots. They COULD NOT count that day.

 

[veryape]

Oh,and Stallion ,the Supreme Court said to have it done by MONDAY at 9AM and only on Sunday at 5PM if they happened to be open,which that b@tch secretary of state made sure to be,when normally they would not have been open. Not too partisan and biased.

 

[Fathom5]

This whole mess stems from Florida's balloting procedures and the damn punch ballots. If nothing else good comes from this it will make counties and states review their voting and balloting procedures and clean them up.

 

[Zucchini]

Yes, she went out of her way to open her office just so she could cut the handcounts off. This reeks.

 

[Stallion]

And thats the whole point. Are they not smart enough to know by now that she would of opened her office if she had just given birth to triplets and then lost a leg on the way to her office.

Do you actually think she would of waited till monday? No need to answer that..

So in saying that they should of busted ass any way possible to meet the dead line.

As far as being in court Thanksgiving, I didn't here that so I am wrong on that point..

So how aboiut the 1% count in PBC that got Gore 19 votes so he should of picked up at least 1,900 in the whole thing?

Give it up, he lost..

 

[Zucchini]

Let me get this right, so they should have known that she would pull dirty tricks and therefore somehow countvotes double time. I'm sure they were doing it as fast as they could. I think it isn't so easy to increase speed because they need observers from each party to make sure there is no cheating.. its just so very screwed up.

 

[Fathom5]

This was no dirty trick. The Supreme court (6 dems, 1 ind.) in a unanimous decision gave Gore what he asked for and set the time, not the SoS. The Democratic party got the time extension it wanted with set limits. Are you trying to tell me the Democratic party wasn't smart enough to forsee that the SoS's Office could be opened to accept and certify the recounts based on the time deadline set by the Supreme Court. Do you think if roles were reversed that the Democratic party would have done things differently? I think not. Can't you see how week that argument looks?

Poor excuse.

Neither party has exactly distinguished themselves in this mess but through all the re-counts Gore is still losing. Give it up Al.

 

[cxim]

I see little apegoron is still crying & moaning because Algoron wasn't able to lie & cheat his way in.

All the ballots were counted little apegoron. Must have been some of your relatives that were so dense that they could not punch a hole in a card. You want your ballot to count, punch a hole.

Nah, I tell you what, why don't work out some other way to cheat !!

Why was there a court session ? the Algoron democrat campaign lawyers were trying to force Palm Beach to divine the intent of the voter on unmarked ballots.

One does not divine intent of a ballot. The ballot has to be clearly marked to count the vote.

Go eat some more rocks, gorons.

 

[Stallion]

Look Zucchini , I'm not looking to start a war but from my perspective. The SC said by Sunday if the office was open and the PB canvasing committie got a letter from the SoS on Wed. saying she would be open on Sunday so they had ample warning. now if that means working 24/7 and going down to the "labor ready" office to find help then they should of pulled out all the stops to do what ever it took to finish.

 

[fdiskboy]

Let's face it. No die-hard Gore supporter will be happy until Gore wins. End of story.
They will continue to make up excuses for why they didn't win, invent conspiracies of how the election was "stolen", and generally make asses of themselves.

 

[Zucchini]

Face it, the process is so unclean no one has to invent conspiracy theories to explain wrong doing.

 

[veryape]

Think of a better insult than gorons,it just sounds childish,like yourself. If you want to start throwing insults around I can certainly help you there. Just say the word. And maybe some of my relatrives votes were not counted in Florida. I would not know,and I also do not know their political preference. I do own property in Lakeland,Florida but I live and vote in Rhode Island,but wish I used my other address and voted absentee. Then I could sue like George about ballots that CAN NOT BE COUNTED,MILITARY OR OTHERWISE,since they were not properly postmarked. Don't say they were because they were not. Insulting others just goes to show your mentallity. Bush lost,you know that and will not admit it(to anyone who thinks Bush won). Accept the defeat Bush. It is apperent and republicans even admit Gore got more votes but they argue they can not be counted due to technicallities,so our votes should not count in their opinions. Someone please tell me that I should look up the word paragraph,I realize that there is nothing else you can say to insult me except to pick apart my grammer and parqagraph and sentence structure(to whoedver it was trhat had nothing else to insult but my writing,I don't remember the names of people I do not like.

 

[Zucchini]

Hm yes i was wondering where they got that term. I figured it was something chanted by those wacky demonstrators. Some posts even boldfaced each usage to emphasis their incredible wit in using such a term. I just found that it made it hard to read because all one remembers after reading a sentence is that striking bold faced goron. In anycase, calling your opponent names only demonstrates infantile behavior and a feeble grasp of rational arguementation.

 

[cxim]

sling away ape..

You have made a practice of distorting the truth.

The democrat atty General of the State of Fl, a Gore ELECTOR, issued his opinion that postmarks were not required for military AB ballots.

I take it that neither of you are familiar with with the term gerrymandering ?

There is no proof that Gore got more votes in Florida.

There is proof that Gore is a liar & that his lead atty lied before the FL supreme court.

 

[ride525]

And the BUSH Campaign Co-chair (aka Kathleen Harris, Florida SoS, and IN CHARGE of elections) wrote a memo saying the overseas ballots REQUIRED a postmark.

 

[fdiskboy]

Heheh. It gets better and better.

Someone telling Bush to accept defeat? He is the President-Elect unless a court decides otherwise. Ape, you are so blinded to the truth that you have invented your own. How very sad.

 

[shifrbv]

Zuchinni - I agree with your statement.

For me, Bush might be declared President, but he will never be the "President". His victory was "won" by a system full of errors. A system not set up to handle a polarized public (in terms of voting accuracy).

However what really makes me mad about this is the fact that the Republicans are being so quick to declare themselves the winners despite this knowledge. How they can be so sure with a difference of only 500 votes. It's ridiculous. If I were in Bush's place, I would not think for a second that I had done right by the American public knowing that, mathematically speaking, the possibily of error is much greater than the possibility of assured and rightful victory. It is the same in Gore's place. Both are just trying to make a power play on this.

Let's hope America can function on auto-pilot for the next four years because with real "idiots" like these 2 guys, we're going to need it.

 

[NesuD]

<< Veryape: If they were fairly counted at least once,I think Gore would win easily >>




So what you are saying is that the only fair recount is one in which Gore wins. I guess we need to keep recounting until you get the results you want then. Doesn't sound all that fair to me.