MotionMan
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Fuck you, you stupid nazi.
And that proves my point.
Thanks.
MotionMan
Fuck you, you stupid nazi.
And that proves my point.
Thanks.
MotionMan
I'm thanking God right now that you're not in charge of me.
I'm changing a starter on a 2002 Eclipse in my driveway this weekend - and I'm doing it in the driveway, because the garage is full of disassembled 1954 Bel Air!
We'll agree to hate the way each other lives, then.
I don't hate the way you live. I would just hate to have it next to my house. Different strokes for different folks.
I do find it odd that you hate the way I live with a groomed lawn, tastefully-painted house and no mess on the driveway.
What about that way of living offends you?
MotionMan
It's more the fact that you think you, or rather people, need some sort of group to force you to have a nice lawn, and "tastefully" (subjective) painted house, or they'll take the house away from you, that offends me. The only ones that should have that power are real government, Law Enforcement or the mortgage company. HOAs should not have the ability to place liens on a property or foreclose on them.
BTW, my driveway is not messy (in fact, I just finished scrubbing up the power steering fluid that leaked out of the Altima - no HOA had to send me a nastygram threatening to take my house away, which they couldn't anyway, as I'm renting), the lawn will be fine once it starts growing again, and the house is brick. It'd look really tacky/bad if I put up something just to be able to paint it yellow with purple trim.
What about when people get forced into a HOA in a pre-existing neighborhood?HOAs only have the power that is given to them by the owners. Those powers can be increased or decreased by the owners as well. You act as if one does not voluntarily and knowingly buy into an HOA community. People are not kidnapped and forced to live in HOAs
Well, I guess your not such the rebel as you like to portray yourself, huh, tough guy?
MotionMan
What about when people get forced into a HOA in a pre-existing neighborhood?
Maybe, maybe not. But I bet my schedule for yard work and such wouldn't meet your HOA's exacting standards.
Other families getting involved.
See my tips on how to deal with an HOA in a prior post in this thread.
MotionMan
As some others have mentioned, when are these other families supposed to find the time while they work 60 hours a week, have activities to take their children to, church, etc.? That leaves those with no jobs (often housewives) as the only ones with the time or desire to police the neighborhood.
You mentioned in another post that in the very unlikely event a HOA were to be created in an existing neighborhood and one had no choice but to join then that person should move away.
What about if you live in a neighborhood and in the very unlikely event a neighbor moves in next door and doesn't take meticulous care of his yard, puts up a shed in the backyard, and parks an old car in his driveway? Why can't YOU move away?
Again, I understand the purpose behind HOAs. People want to live in neat, orderly neighborhoods. They don't want someone negatively affecting their home values. I get all that. Unfortunately, taking steps to prevent such things by creating an institution that combines people, money, and power over others simply leads to an abuse of that authority and history proves this time and time again.
Another point -- what's to eventually stop HOAs from demanding to run a background check, know what church (if any) someone attends, what their children's GPAs in school are, etc. before even allowing someone to move into a neighborhood? Or (shudder) is this already happening some places?
Again, generally (largely) speaking, being part of an HOA is VOLUNTARY. You CHOOSE to buy a home in an HOA and, by law, you are given the CC&Rs, Rules and Minutes of the HOA BEFORE you close escrow. If you don't like the rules, move on.
That is very rare and those people can move. We don't live in China, you know!
bullshit. that is exactly what happend to my parents in 1997, 3 years after buying their dream home in college station Texas the community voted in a HOA. they had no choice but to join. there were in their early 70's and were not going to go through the moving process again.
i really hate people like you. yea just move out thats the answer to a problem that should not have existed.
I did not say it did not happen.. I just said it was rare.
And I did not say that moving was their only option, just one option (and my statement was in response to someone else's comment about China). Another option is to get involved in the HOA and make sure it does not become something you dislike.
How did the HOA work out for them?
MotionMan