Another reason why I will NEVER buy a house that's under a Homeowner Association

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Raduque

Lifer
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And that proves my point.

Thanks.

MotionMan

I'm thanking God right now that you're not in charge of me.

I'm changing a starter on a 2002 Eclipse in my driveway this weekend - and I'm doing it in the driveway, because the garage is full of disassembled 1954 Bel Air!
 

MotionMan

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I'm thanking God right now that you're not in charge of me.

I'm changing a starter on a 2002 Eclipse in my driveway this weekend - and I'm doing it in the driveway, because the garage is full of disassembled 1954 Bel Air!

I'm thanking G-d right now that you're not my neighbor, so I guess that makes us even.

MotionMan
 

Raduque

Lifer
Aug 22, 2004
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We'll agree to hate the way each other lives, then.

BTW, you'd never know there was a partially taken apart '54 in the garage - you can't see anything from the outside.

You'd probably be PMsing about the grass though, because of the droughts we had.
 

MotionMan

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We'll agree to hate the way each other lives, then.

I don't hate the way you live. I would just hate to have it next to my house. Different strokes for different folks.

I do find it odd that you hate the way I live with a groomed lawn, tastefully-painted house and no mess on the driveway.

What about that way of living offends you?

MotionMan
 

Raduque

Lifer
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I don't hate the way you live. I would just hate to have it next to my house. Different strokes for different folks.

I do find it odd that you hate the way I live with a groomed lawn, tastefully-painted house and no mess on the driveway.

What about that way of living offends you?

MotionMan

It's more the fact that you think you, or rather people, need some sort of group to force you to have a nice lawn, and "tastefully" (subjective) painted house, or they'll take the house away from you, that offends me. The only ones that should have that power are real government, Law Enforcement or the mortgage company. HOAs should not have the ability to place liens on a property or foreclose on them.

BTW, my driveway is not messy (in fact, I just finished scrubbing up the power steering fluid that leaked out of the Altima - no HOA had to send me a nastygram threatening to take my house away, which they couldn't anyway, as I'm renting), the lawn will be fine once it starts growing again, and the house is brick. It'd look really tacky/bad if I put up something just to be able to paint it yellow with purple trim.
 

MotionMan

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It's more the fact that you think you, or rather people, need some sort of group to force you to have a nice lawn, and "tastefully" (subjective) painted house, or they'll take the house away from you, that offends me. The only ones that should have that power are real government, Law Enforcement or the mortgage company. HOAs should not have the ability to place liens on a property or foreclose on them.

HOAs only have the power that is given to them by the owners. Those powers can be increased or decreased by the owners as well. You act as if one does not voluntarily and knowingly buy into an HOA community. People are not kidnapped and forced to live in HOAs

BTW, my driveway is not messy (in fact, I just finished scrubbing up the power steering fluid that leaked out of the Altima - no HOA had to send me a nastygram threatening to take my house away, which they couldn't anyway, as I'm renting), the lawn will be fine once it starts growing again, and the house is brick. It'd look really tacky/bad if I put up something just to be able to paint it yellow with purple trim.

Well, I guess your not such the rebel as you like to portray yourself, huh, tough guy?

MotionMan
 

Raduque

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HOAs only have the power that is given to them by the owners. Those powers can be increased or decreased by the owners as well. You act as if one does not voluntarily and knowingly buy into an HOA community. People are not kidnapped and forced to live in HOAs
What about when people get forced into a HOA in a pre-existing neighborhood?

Well, I guess your not such the rebel as you like to portray yourself, huh, tough guy?

MotionMan

Maybe, maybe not. But I bet my schedule for yard work and such wouldn't meet your HOA's exacting standards.
 

MotionMan

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What about when people get forced into a HOA in a pre-existing neighborhood?

That is very rare and those people can move. We don't live in China, you know!

Maybe, maybe not. But I bet my schedule for yard work and such wouldn't meet your HOA's exacting standards.

It's not my HOA - It's our HOA. If you do not like the rules, get involved and get the rules changed.

MotionMan
 

child of wonder

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Other families getting involved.

See my tips on how to deal with an HOA in a prior post in this thread.

MotionMan

As some others have mentioned, when are these other families supposed to find the time while they work 60 hours a week, have activities to take their children to, church, etc.? That leaves those with no jobs (often housewives) as the only ones with the time or desire to police the neighborhood.

You mentioned in another post that in the very unlikely event a HOA were to be created in an existing neighborhood and one had no choice but to join then that person should move away.

What about if you live in a neighborhood and in the very unlikely event a neighbor moves in next door and doesn't take meticulous care of his yard, puts up a shed in the backyard, and parks an old car in his driveway? Why can't YOU move away?

Again, I understand the purpose behind HOAs. People want to live in neat, orderly neighborhoods. They don't want someone negatively affecting their home values. I get all that. Unfortunately, taking steps to prevent such things by creating an institution that combines people, money, and power over others simply leads to an abuse of that authority and history proves this time and time again.

Another point -- what's to eventually stop HOAs from demanding to run a background check, know what church (if any) someone attends, what their children's GPAs in school are, etc. before even allowing someone to move into a neighborhood? Or (shudder) is this already happening some places?
 

MotionMan

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As some others have mentioned, when are these other families supposed to find the time while they work 60 hours a week, have activities to take their children to, church, etc.? That leaves those with no jobs (often housewives) as the only ones with the time or desire to police the neighborhood.

If it is important enough to you, you will make the time for the once a month Board and Owners Meetings. It is really not much of a commitment in most HOAs. A lot is done by e-mail and conference call now, too.

You mentioned in another post that in the very unlikely event a HOA were to be created in an existing neighborhood and one had no choice but to join then that person should move away.

What about if you live in a neighborhood and in the very unlikely event a neighbor moves in next door and doesn't take meticulous care of his yard, puts up a shed in the backyard, and parks an old car in his driveway? Why can't YOU move away?

That is an option, too. Does that seem fair to you?

Again, I understand the purpose behind HOAs. People want to live in neat, orderly neighborhoods. They don't want someone negatively affecting their home values. I get all that. Unfortunately, taking steps to prevent such things by creating an institution that combines people, money, and power over others simply leads to an abuse of that authority and history proves this time and time again.

It can lead to those problems. However, I think the negative aspects are overblown because the only HOAs people hear about are negative ones through the press. That is probably less than 1% of all HOAs in the US.

Most of the cases on my desk are not the HOA running wild - it is one owner who does not want the rules to apply to them. Most of those people should have never bought in an HOA.

Another point -- what's to eventually stop HOAs from demanding to run a background check, know what church (if any) someone attends, what their children's GPAs in school are, etc. before even allowing someone to move into a neighborhood? Or (shudder) is this already happening some places?

There are plenty of HOAs like that (There is a very, VERY exclusive one in Palm Springs that famously will not allow people in the entertainment industry in, period). If the CC&Rs allow such things, then it is allowed. If you don't want to live in such a community, don't move there.

Again, generally (largely) speaking, being part of an HOA is VOLUNTARY. You CHOOSE to buy a home in an HOA and, by law, you are given the CC&Rs, Rules and Minutes of the HOA BEFORE you close escrow. If you don't like the rules, move on.

There are some people who happen to like what HOAs can provide and, if you stay active in your HOA, you have a pretty good chance of it being a positive thing.

MotionMan
 

NetWareHead

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Again, generally (largely) speaking, being part of an HOA is VOLUNTARY. You CHOOSE to buy a home in an HOA and, by law, you are given the CC&Rs, Rules and Minutes of the HOA BEFORE you close escrow. If you don't like the rules, move on.

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DanTMWTMP

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well, at least my hoa gave me a nice new roof, new front porch railings, new stucco paint, new plumbing pipes... for free. heh. A year or so ago, there was a huge backlash against the board members. The entire community revolted so to speak... and took over the old board. Everything is great now.
 

OutHouse

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That is very rare and those people can move. We don't live in China, you know!

bullshit. that is exactly what happend to my parents in 1997, 3 years after buying their dream home in college station Texas the community voted in a HOA. they had no choice but to join. there were in their early 70's and were not going to go through the moving process again.

i really hate people like you. yea just move out thats the answer to a problem that should not have existed.
 

MotionMan

Lifer
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bullshit. that is exactly what happend to my parents in 1997, 3 years after buying their dream home in college station Texas the community voted in a HOA. they had no choice but to join. there were in their early 70's and were not going to go through the moving process again.

i really hate people like you. yea just move out thats the answer to a problem that should not have existed.

I did not say it did not happen.. I just said it was rare.

And I did not say that moving was their only option, just one option (and my statement was in response to someone else's comment about China). Another option is to get involved in the HOA and make sure it does not become something you dislike.

How did the HOA work out for them?

MotionMan
 

OutHouse

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I did not say it did not happen.. I just said it was rare.

And I did not say that moving was their only option, just one option (and my statement was in response to someone else's comment about China). Another option is to get involved in the HOA and make sure it does not become something you dislike.

How did the HOA work out for them?

MotionMan

the only negative things that happened was the 100 buck monthly dues which totally infuriated my dad. they gave him an infraction to move the 4X8 utility trailer that was on the side of the house to the back of the house. then my dad got sick with Leukemia and they left my parents alone because my mom was running back and forth between the house and MD Anderson Cancer center. after my dad passed they did send her a letter about the grass having dead spots and i took care of it when i went down for my 6 month visit.

were they draconian? no but they did take 100 bucks a month from a fixed income family that had no intention of living in a HOA. that is what burns me up.
 
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