Almost all the initial reports of this incident reported that the shooter used an AR-15. When the facts started coming out, and the AR-15 reports had to be corrected, the air went out of this story in a hurry. Equally deflated were the liberals who had quickly worked themselves into a frenzy, gearing up for another round of their "sensible gun control" diatribe which was obviously, and is now confirmed as, nothing more than an attempt to ban a firearm that quite literally makes them shit their pants.
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The TDS in this country has now gotten so bad that the liberals are now actively defending MS-13, encouraging NK to keep their nukes and are disappointed because the wrong gun was used during a school shooting. smh.
The case was made for raising the minimum age to purchase a firearm to 21. Well that didn't work, since he basically stole his father's guns. Then there is the case for banning the AR-15. Problem is, people will use other type guns, legally acquired, or otherwise.
I'd like to see something done. The question is, what is that something? Folks are crying out for the government to step in and "do something!"
Pssh, won't even be able to use those guns when you really need them. My gold plated 1911 is kept condition 0 under my pillow so I'm always ready.People should be required, by law, to secure any firearms owned. Responsible gun ownership isn't permitting access to anyone who simply knows where they're stored. This idea isn't mutually exclusive with banning ARs and/or highly regulating semi-auto platforms and raising purchase age to 21.
I own over 50 firearms and they are all secured and only accessible by me. Semi-auto rifles are in steel gun cases, bolt guns in racks with steel cable run though the trigger guards, all but one handgun is in same steel rifle cases, and my loaded Makarov in a code accessed GunVault for easy retrieval.
Seems everyone is a responsible gun owner until they aren't.People should be required, by law, to secure any firearms owned. Responsible gun ownership isn't permitting access to anyone who simply knows where they're stored. This idea isn't mutually exclusive with banning ARs and/or highly regulating semi-auto platforms and raising purchase age to 21.
I own over 50 firearms and they are all secured and only accessible by me. Semi-auto rifles are in steel gun cases, bolt guns in racks with steel cable run though the trigger guards, all but one handgun is in same steel rifle cases, and my loaded Makarov in a code accessed GunVault for easy retrieval.
Almost all the initial reports of this incident reported that the shooter used an AR-15. When the facts started coming out, and the AR-15 reports had to be corrected, the air went out of this story in a hurry. Equally deflated were the liberals who had quickly worked themselves into a frenzy, gearing up for another round of their "sensible gun control" diatribe which was obviously, and is now confirmed as, nothing more than an attempt to ban a firearm that quite literally makes them shit their pants.
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The TDS in this country has now gotten so bad that the liberals are now actively defending MS-13, encouraging NK to keep their nukes and are disappointed because the wrong gun was used during a school shooting. smh.
Sorry. There are 25 Million 12-17 year olds in the country. The belief that we could somehow prevent any one of them from being completely nuts or a pysciopath is fantasy land. Yes we need better mental health care in the US, but we also need much better gun laws so it is much harder for a broken kid to cause massive damage.You COMPLETELY ignored what I said.
Completely.
I’m so proud of everyone here. “Oh he was a snowflake who couldn’t handle being bullied” “Oh his parents should’ve locked up their guns” “What if we punish owners of guns when they’re used in a shooting” “Well why worry, more likely to die in a car accident than in a school shooting” “Bet he was put on new meds recently”
I’m not saying some of these aren’t good points (or that some of them aren’t asinine) but to me it really feels like there’s a loss of focus here on both sides. Finding something to blame for the ‘why’ doesn’t help right away, and just fixing the ‘how’ needs to be followed up by fixing the ‘why’ or else it won’t be as effective as it would need to be. Sure I could die in a car wreck soon but at least on the road I’m looking out and know I could be involved in a fatal accident any time. I’d like to not feel that way in class thanks.
And for all you out there refusing to make any concessions to gun control, you’re going to lose. I like guns, I’ve shot all sorts of guns, big guns, small guns, old guns, and new guns. Once I’m old enough to get one I plan to have a handgun for home defense and an AR-15 based gun for recreational shooting. I know about the second amendment. But if you refuse to compromise you are setting up an entire generation who will vote in extreme measures so they don’t have to feel like they’re in danger of being massacred at school. Reasonable gun control should be an obvious answer to logical people out there, and by insisting the only right way to own guns is your way your’re hurting yourself. Get smart and realize you’re being (rightfully) left behind.
I'm in agreement with most of what you said. How do we fix broken kids, who decide they want to kill people? This kid had plans, outside of guns, ie., pressure cookers, pipe bombs, molatov cocktails, etc. There are all kinds of things that can be used as weapons of mass destruction AND information, on the internet, on how to make them.
The case was made for raising the minimum age to purchase a firearm to 21. Well that didn't work, since he basically stole his father's guns. Then there is the case for banning the AR-15. Problem is, people will use other type guns, legally acquired, or otherwise.
I'd like to see something done. The question is, what is that something? Folks are crying out for the government to step in and "do something!"
Who among us can define what that something is, or means? This is a very complex problem with no easy solutions. Blame is not enough.
People should be required, by law, to secure any firearms owned. Responsible gun ownership isn't permitting access to anyone who simply knows where they're stored. This idea isn't mutually exclusive with banning ARs and/or highly regulating semi-auto platforms and raising purchase age to 21.
I own over 50 firearms and they are all secured and only accessible by me. Semi-auto rifles are in steel gun cases, bolt guns in racks with steel cable run though the trigger guards, all but one handgun is in same steel rifle cases, and my loaded Makarov in a code accessed GunVault for easy retrieval.
The types of gun control I have thought of implementing.
-Raising minimum age to 21 for all firearms
-Mandatory training and licensing course for all initial firearm type purchases
-Mandatory laws for gun storage
-Liability if your guns are used in a crime
-Eliminate assault style rifles (won't stop some mass shootings, but tell me how the Vegas shooter was going to do his deed with a bolt action rifles and handguns)
-Eliminate high capacity magazines
On the mental health tip
-Greatly expand the access and affordability of healthcare in general, thus including mental healthcare
On School safety tip
-Find some basic and the least obtrusive ways to make schools safer without turning them into armed prisons. If they don't need armed prisons as schools in other first world countries, we shouldn't either.
The types of gun control I have thought of implementing.
-Raising minimum age to 21 for all firearms
-Mandatory training and licensing course for all initial firearm type purchases
-Mandatory laws for gun storage
-Liability if your guns are used in a crime
-Eliminate assault style rifles (won't stop some mass shootings, but tell me how the Vegas shooter was going to do his deed with a bolt action rifles and handguns)
-Eliminate high capacity magazines
On the mental health tip
-Greatly expand the access and affordability of healthcare in general, thus including mental healthcare
On School safety tip
-Find some basic and the least obtrusive ways to make schools safer without turning them into armed prisons. If they don't need armed prisons as schools in other first world countries, we shouldn't either.
So free mental healthcare for everyone? Or just intrusive government-led thought policing?It's going to take more than new gun control laws to fix this problem. These kids need to be profiled to figure out why they do this. It will continue to happen until the causes are determined and safeguards put into place.
Abstinence-only mental healthcare FTW! "Remember kids, it's never okay to slaughter your classmates or teachers." Okay, we did something, that's a wrap.So free mental healthcare for everyone? Or just intrusive government-led thought policing?
Or what I’ve never been able to understand why it’s not in place.
Own all the guns you want. Each gun requires a 10 million insurance policy if they are used in a crime or accidentally shoot someone. Let the actuary’s figure out the risks/costs per person and per weapon.
That's not a bad idea. Not sure about the numbers but worth looking at.
Almost all the initial reports of this incident reported that the shooter used an AR-15. When the facts started coming out, and the AR-15 reports had to be corrected, the air went out of this story in a hurry. Equally deflated were the liberals who had quickly worked themselves into a frenzy, gearing up for another round of their "sensible gun control" diatribe which was obviously, and is now confirmed as, nothing more than an attempt to ban a firearm that quite literally makes them shit their pants.
.
The TDS in this country has now gotten so bad that the liberals are now actively defending MS-13, encouraging NK to keep their nukes and are disappointed because the wrong gun was used during a school shooting. smh.
I’m so proud of everyone here. “Oh he was a snowflake who couldn’t handle being bullied” “Oh his parents should’ve locked up their guns” “What if we punish owners of guns when they’re used in a shooting” “Well why worry, more likely to die in a car accident than in a school shooting” “Bet he was put on new meds recently”
I’m not saying some of these aren’t good points (or that some of them aren’t asinine) but to me it really feels like there’s a loss of focus here on both sides. Finding something to blame for the ‘why’ doesn’t help right away, and just fixing the ‘how’ needs to be followed up by fixing the ‘why’ or else it won’t be as effective as it would need to be. Sure I could die in a car wreck soon but at least on the road I’m looking out and know I could be involved in a fatal accident any time. I’d like to not feel that way in class thanks.
And for all you out there refusing to make any concessions to gun control, you’re going to lose. I like guns, I’ve shot all sorts of guns, big guns, small guns, old guns, and new guns. Once I’m old enough to get one I plan to have a handgun for home defense and an AR-15 based gun for recreational shooting. I know about the second amendment. But if you refuse to compromise you are setting up an entire generation who will vote in extreme measures so they don’t have to feel like they’re in danger of being massacred at school. Reasonable gun control should be an obvious answer to logical people out there, and by insisting the only right way to own guns is your way your’re hurting yourself. Get smart and realize you’re being (rightfully) left behind.
On the rise
Cases and diagnoses of ADHD have been increasing dramatically in the past several years. The American Psychiatric Association (APA) says that 5 percent of American children have ADHD. But the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) puts the number at more than double the APA’s number. The CDC says that 11 percent of American children, ages 4 to 17, had the attention disorder as of 2011. That’s an increase of 42 percent between 2003 and 2011.
People should be required, by law, to secure any firearms owned. Responsible gun ownership isn't permitting access to anyone who simply knows where they're stored. This idea isn't mutually exclusive with banning ARs and/or highly regulating semi-auto platforms and raising purchase age to 21.
I own over 50 firearms and they are all secured and only accessible by me. Semi-auto rifles are in steel gun cases, bolt guns in racks with steel cable run though the trigger guards, all but one handgun is in same steel rifle cases, and my loaded Makarov in a code accessed GunVault for easy retrieval.
Why not try to deal with the issue earlier? Ie. Before the person is even able to get the gun. Lots of other first world countries have shown it's possible.Unfortunately, it should not be necessary, but I think we are going to be forced to implement stronger security in our schools. Metal detectors at all entrances would seem a reasonable precaution, without making getting into school a 2 hour ordeal.
Citation requested. All the ones that I saw said pistol and shotgun.
examples:
CNN
"The alleged shooter used a shotgun and a .38 revolver that were legally owned by his father, Gov. Greg Abbott told reporters."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/18/us/texas-school-shooting/index.html
The Guardian
"The governor said the suspect used a shotgun and a .38 revolver in the attack on his school. “Both of these weapons were obtained by the shooter from his father,” he said, adding that the father legally owned them."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/18/texas-school-shooting-santa-fe-high
Just finished my first year at college, so you're not far off. I agree that a think tank sort of situation wouldn't be terrible, but even if they are experts I can't see their solutions being accepted by the masses if they include gun control. And what you're saying about drugs makes sense, but I feel like it would need investigation too. What kind of person would shoot up a school? Probably someone that would also need antipsychotic medication.You make some good points. I'm guessing you're a teen, high school? Maybe you can give us some insight and examples of how these incidents could be reduced or eliminated since you're probably in that environment.
I strongly believe that we need a federal task force created immediately to deal with these incidents and come up with usable solutions that could be implemented quickly and for long term. Get experts in the field of security, psychiatry, health, etc. Unfortunately, I don't think Trump or any high level fed is even think about doing this. We need a Tiger Team. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_team
I also believe that kids are taking too many psychotropic drugs and that is one of the major factors in these incidents. How many friends, classmates and family members are taking meds for ADHD, depression, anxiety and anti-psychotic?
https://www.healthline.com/health/adhd/facts-statistics-infographic#demographics
https://www.cchrint.org/psychiatric-drugs/children-on-psychiatric-drugs/