Yup because asking for REASONABLE gun safety is attacking millions of Americans. We are asking for too much obviously for the safety of ourselves and our children.I have always supported gun safety, why would you want to talk about and help to glorify them?
The family was wrong for what they did, the guns should have been secured. That doesn't give you the right to attack millions of Americans.
Yup because asking for REASONABLE gun safety is attacking millions of Americans. We are asking for too much obviously for the safety of ourselves and our children.
This is what I see happening too, and I really don't want that to happen. You know they'll use it as crazy-person fuel too.Eventually the gun nutters are going to get exactly what they didn't want and guns will be completely banned except for the national guard.
Its a self fulfilling prophecy and they are their own worst enemies.
This is what I see happening too, and I really don't want that to happen. You know they'll use it as crazy-person fuel too.
Then they weren’t secured
Well no shit Sherlock! If they were, the 17 year old kid wouldn't have had them.
This is what I see happening too, and I really don't want that to happen. You know they'll use it as crazy-person fuel too.
Just finished my first year at college, so you're not far off. I agree that a think tank sort of situation wouldn't be terrible, but even if they are experts I can't see their solutions being accepted by the masses if they include gun control. And what you're saying about drugs makes sense, but I feel like it would need investigation too. What kind of person would shoot up a school? Probably someone that would also need antipsychotic medication.
As for my ideas, I doubt these incidents will ever be eliminated. There are just too many schools, too many individuals, and too many ways to carry out an attack. What I don't think would be effective is locking down schools even more. Something I've heard from a lot of my classmates is they really didn't realize how stressed high school made them. Sure, now we're (kinda) adults with bills and jobs and college to worry about, but just being in a small cinder block building for hours at a time with minimal breaks and minimal freedom was really affecting us without us realizing. I'm not saying we should have open classrooms on grass fields, but I think if schools get more locked down it will have a major negative effect on mental health, which is exactly what we're trying to avoid. Having all 1,500+ students from my high school go through one main entrance and be put through metal detectors would be insane, not even mentioning how terrible the one entrance/exit idea is. That was a plan for Columbine, and what about other stuff like outdoor activities, issues in a chem lab, or fires?
Gun control is also obviously needed. The kind I'm mostly in favor of isn't the banning of certain kinds of guns (though that could be evaluated later) but mostly focused on who gets them. I know there's an issue with that because guns are bought and sold so quickly and so often in the US, but would it be that terrible to wait even 6 months to get certain kinds of guns? Also, I realize that wouldn't have prevented this shooting, but imagine if the death toll this year was 10 instead of 36. It would still be too many in my opinion, but isn't that a fantastic first step?
I also realize bullying is an issue. (Not in this shooting though, unless you count a girl turning him down as bullying) Obviously it would be great if bullying stopped right now and was never an issue again, but you can't trust kids to do that. If you're a high schooler you probably can't drive by yourself, you can't go to see an R rated movie, you can't do tons of stuff. I'm not saying I've seen anyone on this forum say this, but I've seen it on certain news op-ed pieces. Blaming kids by saying "well when you saw that kid eating alone and being made fun of why didn't you go be his friend" like the kid knew they were going to shoot up the school and should've stopped it is abhorrent. I won't even argue against that point of view, it's not worth my time.
Arming teachers is crazy. I wouldn't trust most of my teachers to handle a BB gun much less a 9mm, and to expect taking a student's life out of already overtaxed teachers doesn't make sense. As for SROs being armed, I'm not sure. My first high school had at least 2 armed officers at all 5 entrances. I can't imagine it can get much more effective than that. Militarizing police to deal with it is a stupid and wrong fix to the problem. Besides, even if they stop a kid after he shoots an entire class there are still dead kids. If you don't fix the underlying issue you might get it down to 2-3 dead in a shooting, but what if the shootings are happening once every 3 weeks?
My best plan, which admittedly comes from just me with no professional backup has three parts. First is prevention. Free and easily accessed health care is important without the added side effect of preventing shootings, but I think it would really help do that too. Watching out for early warning signs too. Second is really questionable because I have no idea how to do it. It's talking down toxic mindsets in schools. This kinda falls under mental health, but it isn't healthcare so much. Being openly honest about when someone is actually someone's fault, and holding kids accountable for their actions would help I think. Too many teachers don't want to speak out because they fear a parent could get mad. On the other hand it could go the other way and they could start bullying the kids. I feel like entitlement is a major theme though. Incels thinking they're entitled to sex, loners thinking they're entitled to the 'in' group, it spawns a lot of toxicity. Finally is gun control. Just honestly keeping guns out of the hands of kids shouldn't be that hard.
There's probably more but I've been writing this for about 50 minutes so I'll figure it out in another post if I just have to say it.
What I don't understand is why nothing happens when there are so many things that an overwhelming majority of people, gun owners or not, agree on in huge numbers. I mean I know why it doesn't happen, I just don't understand why you guys let it happen.yup.
i'm a big 2A fan, but unless *something* is done, it's eventually just going to be a full blown ban, and with nothing ever happening, it gets that much harder to argue against it as well. there are a lot of angles we can come at this. and as a resident texan, decreasing the number of doors is not the goddamn answer. dumbass lt. governor
So in other words none of those measures would have helped so long as we assume some facts you're making up? Either his father did not properly secure his firearms or he gave his 17 year old son a handgun, which I believe is a federal crime.
It would not be uncommon in rural Texas, or in the South, for a father to allow his 17yo son to access his hunting guns or defense guns. The shotgun has been identified as a Remington model 870 pump action which is a common hunting gun.
I’m nearly positive it was a .38 revolver
And the handgun?
The only qualifications pertinent to the purchase of firearms set by Texas gun laws is that the purchaser be at least 18 years of age and a resident of the state. Minors may also purchase weapons if they can provide for written permission by their parent or legal guardian.
No state license is needed for the possession of rifle, handgun, or shotgun. However, there are certain restrictions imposed....
...Minors under the age of found in possession of a firearm are legally excluded if the minor is engaged in hunting and other sporting activities, defending of people or property as allowed by law, or during agricultural activities.
All such activities are permissible if the minor was properly supervised by an adult over the age of eighteen. An adult will be held responsible if a minor under the age of 17 gains access to a weapon. It is deemed negligible if the adult did not secure the weapon in an appropriate place and the firearm can be readily used.
Yup because asking for REASONABLE gun safety is attacking millions of Americans. We are asking for too much obviously for the safety of ourselves and our children.
Its not reasonable though, you just say it is to trick people. These restrictions will hurt gun owners and that is violating their 2nd Amendment rights.
You don't even know what reasonable is obviously. You say it's to trick people, what trick? You don't want ANY regulation. You obviously want anybody to have a gun.Its not reasonable though, you just say it is to trick people. These restrictions will hurt gun owners and that is violating their 2nd Amendment rights.
You don't even know what reasonable is obviously. You say it's to trick people, what trick? You don't want ANY regulation. You obviously want anybody to have a gun.
It was a .38 revolver, probably six shot. Again, it's not uncommon in the rural South to allow a 17yo access to firearms. I'm not seeing any evidence so far that the father is a gun enthusiast who collects guns. My guess is that the revolver was a home defense weapon that the father allowed him to access. I don't have a problem with charging the parents along with the child but it would probably be difficult to actually pass a federal or state law. It's part of the culture of the South.
It is already a federal felony to transfer possession of a handgun to someone under the age of 18 so if the father did allow him to access it he should be headed to prison
Its plainly clear that some of the left, wants all guns gone. Several have said it publically finally, being honest for once.
There are already laws in place. They're broken when shootings happen. The "sensible" gun laws that are proposed time after time, no "assault" weapon, no 30 round mags, etc. Would have done thing for this. He used a revolver, a shotgun, and attempted an explosive. It STILL would have happened. People screaming (ignorantly) do "DO SOMETHING" while offering zero in terms of ideas, are useless. Claiming that those who oppose taking away one of our Constitutional rights do not care about kids, is wrong and a lie. Steps could, and should be done to ensure the safety of our children while at school. Taking away all guns and taking cops out of schools is not the answer.
CNN doing what they do best, perpetrating lies, Claiming 22 school shooting this year is extremely misleading, and wrong. Twisting statistics to fit their agenda is doing a disservice to all. They should be embarrassed, but obviously that is not the case. The ignorance of gun grabbers is hurting their cause. Claiming that you can put a chainsaw on a AR15 by a major news agency is pathetic. Many people believe that defunding the NRA from government money should be done ASAP. The fact that they don't see the problem with this is painful to watch. Same as watching the same gun grabbers here showing their ignorance time and time again.