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Roger Wilco

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Is bitching about people sending thoughts and prayers going to help build a more enlightened and peaceful society, or a more callous and divided one?

I'm totally on board for severe gun control and any other proactive measures, but this meme has grown to be a trite troll.
 

brycejones

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Is bitching about people sending thoughts and prayers going to help build a more enlightened and peaceful society, or a more callous and divided one?

I'm totally on board for severe gun control and any other proactive measures, but this meme has grown to be a trite troll.

Is it as trite as sending thoughts and prayers though?
 
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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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so you would be committing 2 crimes.
assault and theft

while she is being a law abiding citizen.

yep your a progressive, advocating violence against lawful actions you dont agree with

that doesn't make any sense. Her statement and your defense of her statement presupposes some animal need for deadly self-defense potential due to constant, inescapable, threat on life around ever corner, right? So the point is in justifying:

--her need for such displays
--the actual effectiveness of her solution in relation to the assumed need of such.

The hypothetical was simply to point out the flaws in her solution. It was not condoning violence against her; simply a reinforcement that as this is what she expects, is her chosen defense really going to be effective?

In reality, she just looks stupid and ineffective in representing a legitimate support of her cause.
 
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It’s frustrating Doc, you seem to be a little right of center on this issue. It would be less frustrating for people like me if you occasionally called out the loonslike Taj or IG(whatever) out on their frankly stupid suggestions of either:
There’s nothing that can be done
or
Hey look there was a knife attack in China
or
Various nit picking over clips vs magazines or what is an AR and what is different about it than a truck.
All they do is divert.
Liberals here don't need my help to fight their battles. What's the ratio? 10:1? Anyway, I much rather pick and chose my battles with some of the 'groupthink' liberals instead. Only so much time in the day.
 

Blackjack200

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I wonder if the people that support our insane gun laws ever just consider shutting the fuck up when something like this happens.

Like, I can't imagine if I supported the permissive gun laws in this country, having the gall to say something idiotic about locking doors or arming teachers or whatever.

You have your live action Westworld, things are just the way you want them. We know you don't give a fuck, we know the laws won't change, so just shut the fuck up because no one wants to fucking hear it.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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Is bitching about people sending thoughts and prayers going to help build a more enlightened and peaceful society, or a more callous and divided one?

I'm totally on board for severe gun control and any other proactive measures, but this meme has grown to be a trite troll.

Trolling the "Thoughts and Prayers" crowd is like, way way down on the list of things I give a shit about.

You know what? It might not be on that list at all, come to think of it.
 

sao123

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Ask them if stronger laws on other things work or not? It seems a strange anomaly that the American right wing is generally for stronger laws on most things but think that they wont work for this one issue.

yea.... how's that Constitutional 18th amendment working out for you?
Stronger laws, lets just ban it.
 

UberNeuman

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Liberals here don't need my help to fight their battles. What's the ratio? 10:1? Anyway, I much rather pick and chose my battles with some of the 'groupthink' liberals instead. Only so much time in the day.

It must be hard to be full of bullshit and chickenshit all the time.
 

Paratus

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How are 17 year olds gun owners?
While 18 is the minimum age to purchase a firearm in Texas there is no minimum age to posses a firearm. Parents may give babys first AR at any age.

Is bitching about people sending thoughts and prayers going to help build a more enlightened and peaceful society, or a more callous and divided one?

I'm totally on board for severe gun control and any other proactive measures, but this
meme has grown to be a trite troll.
Have you considered Tots and Pears?
 
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dank69

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I wonder if the people that support our insane gun laws ever just consider shutting the fuck up when something like this happens.

Like, I can't imagine if I supported the permissive gun laws in this country, having the gall to say something idiotic about locking doors or arming teachers or whatever.

You have your live action Westworld, things are just the way you want them. We know you don't give a fuck, we know the laws won't change, so just shut the fuck up because no one wants to fucking hear it.
This should answer your question:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-shows-sight-santa-fe-150800287.html
 

Rifter

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To start off my thoughts and prayers are with the fallen. A truly sad day.

How about other countries (that do have very strict gun laws)?

Yeah, like Venezuela maybe? They disarmed there whole population, and now have the second highest murder rate in the world and some of the highest crime rates on earth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Venezuela

Nothing good happens after you disarm your population, just ask the jews, or the Russians, or anyone currently living in Venezuela.

There are studies that can show tighter gun laws help and some that dont. Stats can be bent many ways to show many things. But one thing is for certain and thats any outright ban sometimes leads to much death of the disarmed population, usually carried out by the government that had disarmed them.

ill leave this here as well, explains alot about the past centuries gun bans/genocides, which ones are true and false, and is generally a good article on the subject of disarming your population and what can happen and what has happened in the past when this has occured.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/little-gun-history/

quote of the conclusion:

"Based on the actual evidence at hand, we find it reasonable to conclude that gun confiscations, facilitated by laws requiring the registration and/or licensing of firearms, played a crucial role in the carrying out of twentieth-century genocides. However, gun control per se — properly defined as a set of laws regulating gun ownership that can range from minimally restrictive to outright prohibitive — is neither a cause nor even a reliable predictor of mass exterminations, whereas the presence of a repressive military dictatorship most certainly is."

So with this

"Based on the actual evidence at hand, we find it reasonable to conclude that gun confiscations, facilitated by laws requiring the registration and/or licensing of firearms, played a crucial role in the carrying out of twentieth-century genocides"

We are aware that gun bans/confiscations(which alot of people in the US are screaming for) have lead to the deaths of some 10-50 million people in the past century or so(exact number is highly debated). And while there is no guarantee this would happen in the US, i do believe if you tried to take all the guns from your population it would start a civil war, and there would be many deaths because of it, and it would end up added to that article i posted as another statistic of what can happen with a gun ban.

Have gun laws saved 10-50 million people over the past century? who knows i have not seen a study on lives saved by gun laws, but one thing is for sure, that banning them has caused many many deaths worldwide.

Not sure what the solution is, i think there are already to many guns for banning to work in the US. Making more laws will not help because the people committing these crimes are criminals and criminals by definition do not follow laws, and with so many guns already in the US its not like its hard for a criminal to find one even if you stopped imports of guns now there is simply to many already there. You guys have rough days ahead, i wish you the best of luck with your issues and hope you guys find a solution that works.
 
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